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Reply 54880 of 55380, by Intel486dx33

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-25, 14:18:
Got this beautiful Slo1 board, a Soyo SY-6BA+ III which should be one hell of an overclocking board if all the reviews are to be […]
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Got this beautiful Slo1 board, a Soyo SY-6BA+ III which should be one hell of an overclocking board if all the reviews are to be believed.

Likely paid too much for it but I doubt Ill ever have another slot 1 board with this many options for Overclocking. Comes with a Slotket and CPU, I think its a 466 Mendicino which I will change to a nice 600E Coppermine and likely a new Slotket since IIRC MS6905 Ver 1.1 doesn't support Coppermine. (I have a 800 I can try as well thats also 100FSB)

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I had one of these back in 1997 I think it was.
I had a Celeron in it.
Used it for a few months before I purchased my First Dual Pentium-II HP Kayak
I was Hooked.
Never went back to the Celeron or AMD K6.

I was All Intel
High Performance CPU’s after this.

Don’t go Cheap Quality on Motherboard / CPU combo.
You pay what you go for.

Get a Good Performance CPU and a Good Quality Motherboard.

Reply 54882 of 55380, by Trashbytes

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Intel486dx33 wrote on 2024-10-26, 12:28:
I had one of these back in 1997 I think it was. I had a Celeron in it. Used it for a few months before I purchased my First Dual […]
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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-25, 14:18:
Got this beautiful Slo1 board, a Soyo SY-6BA+ III which should be one hell of an overclocking board if all the reviews are to be […]
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Got this beautiful Slo1 board, a Soyo SY-6BA+ III which should be one hell of an overclocking board if all the reviews are to be believed.

Likely paid too much for it but I doubt Ill ever have another slot 1 board with this many options for Overclocking. Comes with a Slotket and CPU, I think its a 466 Mendicino which I will change to a nice 600E Coppermine and likely a new Slotket since IIRC MS6905 Ver 1.1 doesn't support Coppermine. (I have a 800 I can try as well thats also 100FSB)

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I had one of these back in 1997 I think it was.
I had a Celeron in it.
Used it for a few months before I purchased my First Dual Pentium-II HP Kayak
I was Hooked.
Never went back to the Celeron or AMD K6.

I was All Intel
High Performance CPU’s after this.

Don’t go Cheap Quality on Motherboard / CPU combo.
You pay what you go for.

Get a Good Performance CPU and a Good Quality Motherboard.

The board is top quality with a BIOS built for overclocking, even beats the ABIT BH6 for overclocking options and the BH6 was top quality stuff. I think this should by rights even run a 1Ghz PIII at 133 FSB on the right slotket, a I have a SOLTEK SL-02A++ and a ABIT Slotket III both of which will be perfect for running a 1Ghz P3.

Also got my search saved for the Soyo SY-6BA+ IV which is the next revision to this board.

Reply 54883 of 55380, by PcBytes

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I had the 6BA+IV, traded it for a fairly good condition BH6 that only needed a new BIOS chip.
It's a nice board at stock speeds but couldn't beat a BE6-II, as much as it tried to.
Even with a proper Coppermine slotket (AA370TS) it was unstable @133FSB, whereas the same slotket ran fine with a 133FSB P3 1GHz chip on the BE6-II.

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 54884 of 55380, by ciornyi

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PcBytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 14:17:

I had the 6BA+IV, traded it for a fairly good condition BH6 that only needed a new BIOS chip.
It's a nice board at stock speeds but couldn't beat a BE6-II, as much as it tried to.
Even with a proper Coppermine slotket (AA370TS) it was unstable @133FSB, whereas the same slotket ran fine with a 133FSB P3 1GHz chip on the BE6-II.

Overclocking is always lottery , you can buy overclocking componets and get nothing aswell as get dirt cheap components and get outstanding result .

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Reply 54885 of 55380, by momaka

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Another smash-hit weekend day at the local flee market. I took a little bit more money with me than last time, just in case... and welp, I still SPENT IT ALL!!! 🤣
Basically, the equivalent of $30 got me the following stuff + a good number of non-PC items. So here goes the list (sorry, no pictures... again... been too busy sorting through / cleaning / refurbishing stuff.)

- Syntax SV266a (apparently the same thing as an ECS K7AMA3 v 1.0 - thanks for the info from member soggi here and his website 😉 ). It was a total impulse buy - I just couldn't resist the bright-orange PCB color. Didn't get it quite that cheap compared to other stuff on this flea market... but it's still peanuts in the realm of world prices for retro PC stuff. It was $6... and untested, as usual. Came with a 1600 MHz Duron Applebred + cooler and I think 2x 256 MB PC2700 DDR RAM (the board can take either DDR or SDRAM... so very similar to the ECS K7S5A.) Only got it for a slightly better price because of buying the next item below with it.

- Gigabyte Radeon 9550 128 MB 128-bit (full-height) video card. Again, untested and probably destined for scrap, but looked in pretty good condition. Got it for a mere $3. I've been after one of these (or a Gigabyte Radeon 9600) for a while now, since my custom 933 MHz P3 retro PC has a nice old blue Gigabyte mobo. Currently, I have a Sapphire Radeon 9600 non-pro in it, which has a green PCB. Probably may seem quite silly to buy a card just to match the PCB color (and mobo brand)... but why not? After all, no one but me buys retro PC parts from this particular era on this flea market. So might as well save what I can... and in the process also upgrade / complete my other retro PC projects. For the curious, that 9550 has 4 ns Hynix RAM. I'm not into OC-ing RAM, but I'll definitely make sure it runs up to full spec (250 MHz). And since it's a passively-cooled card and I always add a fan to cool my passively-cooled cards, I imagine the core will be able to take an OC up to 9600 pro speeds... but we will see about that. Either way, even at stock 9550 core speeds, it will be fast enough. The Sapphire 9600 np is a slight over-kill for the system. On the other hand, I have a nice BFG GeForce FX5200 with a neat blue PCB that also matches the color of the mobo. But I find the FX5200 is really not quite up to the task with the 933 MHz P3 - at least in 2000-2001 games, like Need For Speed Underground.

- mid-2000's cheapo black(ish) PC case with a OEM-y socket 370 motherboard (no AGP slots) with a............. 1.3 GHz Celeron!! (Is that what y'all call a Tualeron?) I asked the guy if I can buy only the CPU (for 4 Lev... errr, $2.50) and let him keep the mobo and case that he can sell to one of the scrappers and make more that way. But he didn't want me to part it out. Said to take the whole thing as-is for $6... or for $9 (or was it $12, I don't remember) to take that and another PC he had. Sounded like a pretty good deal... but I just can't carry 3 PCs with me by hand and lug them for 2 miles. So I had to turn the 2nd PC down. It was an old beige case, though a cheapie, not in best of condition, and missing the sides. Inside was a s462 Gigabyte mobo with a an AXP 2000 or 2500 and an HDD, but otherwise the PC was pretty stripped. The GB mobo had a few bad caps of course... so probably revivable. But again, I couldn't carry two PCs with me. After some back and forth, I came back to the guy and he had already sold the beige case with the mobo to a scrapper. So I asked about parting out the other PC with the Celly, but again he refused. In the end, he dropped the price down to 7 LEV (~$4) for the entire PC and I just had to bite. Then "at checkout", asked me if I can make it $5... and I obliged. So we will see what comes out of that system. I suppose it's better that I got it with the motherboard, for testing purposes. Otherwise, there's nothing I care about the motherboard in that system, as it doesn't have an AGP slot and only 3 PCI slots. If the CPU works, it will go in another system. I have a retro PC with a Gigabyte GA-60XT-a. Someone over at another forum told me that since there was a "T" sticker next to the CPU socket, it should be able to take Tualatin CPUs.
Now suppose that it does... I still have to wonder how does that Celeron rank among these other two CPUs: 933 MHz Coppermine and 1 GHz Coppermine (133 FSB). Currently, I have the 933 MHz P3 in the GA-60XT, mostly because it came that way (so some nostalgic value.) The 1 GHz will be a little faster, but I don't want to change the system because of that. On the other hand, if the 1.3 GHz Celeron will be much faster than the 933 or 1G, I'll do the swap.
So anyone know if it's worth upgrading to that Celly?

- beige LG IDE DVD-R/RW drive. $0.60 and untested. Worth the gamble, though.

- black LG SATA CD/DVD-ROM. This one was "hefty"-priced at $1.20. 🤣 I'm regularly short on SATA optical drives, though, so can make the exception. Otherwise, someone was offering me 5 optical drives + 2 floppy drives for $3 total. But I don't have the space for all of that in my backpack... which was already getting heavy and full with the other stuff above.

- Athlon XP 3200+ with an awful lot of bent pins, but should make it out with some straightening... if it's not a burned CPU, that is. Looks OK, though (no darkening underneath the core.) And I don't really care either way, it was $0.60.

- 80 GB Western Digital 3.5" HDD (WD800 series) for $1.20. I swore I would stop buying these due to the high failure rates (in contrast, the era-equivalent Seagate 7200.7 series are almost always guaranteed to work... but I just don't find them as often.) Wish me luck with this one. The 120 GB WD Caviar IDE I purchased 2 weeks ago seems to be spinning up OK, though haven't had the time to test it in a machine yet. Now with that one, I had forgot that the IDE WD Caviars sometimes have ball bearing spindles... making it rather LOUD. I guess I need to pair it with a loud & hot Athlon s462 system.

- 3-heatpipe OEM-looking socket 775 cooler off of a Pentium 4 / Celeron D motherboard. The guy had a bunch of scrap PCBs and was just taking with one of scrapper buyers to give him a price. The scrapper said he'll come talk to him in a few minutes, since he was busy with some other matter. So I asked if we wanted to part me just the heatsink off of that 775 mobo for $2 before selling it to the scrapper (which I know, and he's told me repeatedly that he's after the "BIOS" chips while actually pointing to the Southbridges.). At first, he refused, saying he's just not going to bother doing any work. Of course, I always come prepared with a screw driver set in my pocket, so I offered to do it myself. He saw I was serious, so accepted.
The 3-heatpipe heatsink did not have a fan... but honestly, I'm quite fine with that, as I now have an abundance of fans (thanks to another e-scrapper at the place who doesn't bother with any of the OEM fans and just chucks them behind a fence... that I go behind and rummage through once in a while. 😁 )

- last but not least, a stick of 256 MB 133 MHz SODIMM SDRAM - FREE! If it works, I can finally max my 2rd Dell Latitude c600 laptop to 512 MB of RAM. With Windows XP, these make fantastic workbench laptops for looking at datasheets and/or sending audio signals. With some patience, they can even get on the web to look for info / datasheets / retro PC stuff (i.e. VOGONS too 😀 ).

An that concludes my retro-PC purchases. The rest (and quite a bit) was non-PC related items, mostly. Namely, some large beer-can type of capacitors for ~$0.60 each. If anyone is a fan of Electroboom or PhotonicInduction, you know what I'll be using these for - "experiments", let's call em. 😉
I also picked up a free 22" AOC LED LCD monitor. Not sure how/why no one took it. It was literally sticking out in the middle of a walking isle like a sore thumb... and clearly it was visible that it was next to a pile of abandoned garbage. Then again, today's flee market was HUGE with so many free stuff leftover afterwards, that perhaps people got more than they can carry early on and left. Either way, a free monitor is a free monitor. If I didn't take it, I could see this old guy not too far on the other isle who regularly takes monitors and TVs like this and scraps them just for the (very little) metal inside, completely breaking everything else in the process. So at the very least, I saved the monitor from that fate. The screen didn't look damaged either, so would be repairable if there was an issue. Turns out, though, there was absolutely nothing wrong with it - monitor appears to be working fine. Sweet!

Reply 54886 of 55380, by Ryccardo

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A pair of $ony SRS-P3 passive speakers - the kind that only have a 3.5mm jack, something which I have to spell out since searching for "passive speakers" nowadays only finds the ones you plug into a proper sound system and "3.5 speaker" is a fair of generic but power-requiring tat
(OK, there are maybe 3 models of real "3.5mm passive speakers" on aliexpress, 2 of them are mono, the other is a single block as wide as the largest phone I would barely tolerate)

Wasn't most every 90s soundcard, the ones with the infamous -5V amplifiers, designed for these?
Weren't these a huge hit in the golden age of the MP3 player? (OK, the original box advertised them for cassette Walkmen 😀 )
Aren't they dirt cheap to make? So why are they so hard to find?

Well, it's actually for an all-plastic LG monitor, one with an headphone socket and speaker grilles but no speakers, so much for progress 😀 🙁

Reply 54887 of 55380, by AGP4LIfe?

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Well my rare Athlon Thoroughbred-B XP 2800+ came in and I got an unexpected surprise..!! Apparently it's an Engineering Sample! 🤯. I didn't have any clue as only pictures of the motherboard were shown, with the heatsink on. Now I just need to find out if it really works like the seller says 😂.

Hopefully it will!

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Reply 54888 of 55380, by AGP4LIfe?

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And it does!! Scary stuff! As there seems to be some slight surface damage to the silicon. 😬 Also this thing pumps out heat!

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Reply 54889 of 55380, by Trashbytes

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PcBytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 14:17:

I had the 6BA+IV, traded it for a fairly good condition BH6 that only needed a new BIOS chip.
It's a nice board at stock speeds but couldn't beat a BE6-II, as much as it tried to.
Even with a proper Coppermine slotket (AA370TS) it was unstable @133FSB, whereas the same slotket ran fine with a 133FSB P3 1GHz chip on the BE6-II.

I just have to pint out that the BE6-II, BE6-II 2.0 and BX133 are all the same board with slight revisions to peripheral components(Highpoint controller, RAID, socket/slot), so Im not at all surprised that they can run at 133FSB since they were built to do that. The Soyo SY-6VBA133 is the equivalent to these boards but it uses Apollo 133 to get there.

The BH6 and 6BA+ are both just high end Pentium II overclocking boards that can in theory run at 133+ FSB but if they dont then that's ok since officially they were never mean to do that but Im sure as hell going to try and see what I get !

Reply 54890 of 55380, by Trashbytes

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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-10-26, 23:00:

And it does!! Scary stuff! As there seems to be some slight surface damage to the silicon. 😬 Also this thing pumps out heat!

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mmmmm now put it up against a 3200+ and lets see what it can do and if that extra speed makes any difference when matched against a high FSB. Also how much heat are we talking about here ...cant be much hotter than a 3200+ there is only 50Mhz between them.

Makes me want one of these 2800+ chips or one of the OEM 3200+.

Reply 54891 of 55380, by PcBytes

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 23:11:
PcBytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 14:17:

I had the 6BA+IV, traded it for a fairly good condition BH6 that only needed a new BIOS chip.
It's a nice board at stock speeds but couldn't beat a BE6-II, as much as it tried to.
Even with a proper Coppermine slotket (AA370TS) it was unstable @133FSB, whereas the same slotket ran fine with a 133FSB P3 1GHz chip on the BE6-II.

I just have to pint out that the BE6-II, BE6-II 2.0 and BX133 are all the same board with slight revisions to peripheral components(Highpoint controller, RAID, socket/slot), so Im not at all surprised that they can run at 133FSB since they were built to do that. The Soyo SY-6VBA133 is the equivalent to these boards but it uses Apollo 133 to get there.

The BH6 and 6BA+ are both just high end Pentium II overclocking boards that can in theory run at 133+ FSB but if they dont then that's ok since officially they were never mean to do that but Im sure as hell going to try and see what I get !

Good luck. I currently own about six P2/P3 mobos with Cypress clockgens (which is what Soyo and MSI almost exclusively loved to use) and out of those a single board manages to run 133 stable, an Acer S61 w/ VIA694x. The BX ones will POST but crash during Windows loading if set to 133.

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Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 54892 of 55380, by Trashbytes

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PcBytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 23:47:
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 23:11:
PcBytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 14:17:

I had the 6BA+IV, traded it for a fairly good condition BH6 that only needed a new BIOS chip.
It's a nice board at stock speeds but couldn't beat a BE6-II, as much as it tried to.
Even with a proper Coppermine slotket (AA370TS) it was unstable @133FSB, whereas the same slotket ran fine with a 133FSB P3 1GHz chip on the BE6-II.

I just have to pint out that the BE6-II, BE6-II 2.0 and BX133 are all the same board with slight revisions to peripheral components(Highpoint controller, RAID, socket/slot), so Im not at all surprised that they can run at 133FSB since they were built to do that. The Soyo SY-6VBA133 is the equivalent to these boards but it uses Apollo 133 to get there.

The BH6 and 6BA+ are both just high end Pentium II overclocking boards that can in theory run at 133+ FSB but if they dont then that's ok since officially they were never mean to do that but Im sure as hell going to try and see what I get !

Good luck. I currently own about six P2/P3 mobos with Cypress clockgens (which is what Soyo and MSI almost exclusively loved to use) and out of those a single board manages to run 133 stable, an Acer S61 w/ VIA694x. The BX ones will POST but crash during Windows loading if set to 133.

Its always fun to find out what you got in a new bit of gear and how far you can push it.

On the topic of clockgens what are the best ones you have found ?

Reply 54893 of 55380, by Linoleum

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Technically, I didn't buy this today, but my father brought it back from the family home. It's the case I used somewhere between 1999-2001 for the first build I did from the ground up with my own money... Was it the build with a Duron or an Athlon, I really can't remember!?

I was hoping to find some info on that case, but couldn't find anything!!

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Reply 54894 of 55380, by PcBytes

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-27, 02:04:
PcBytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 23:47:
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 23:11:

I just have to pint out that the BE6-II, BE6-II 2.0 and BX133 are all the same board with slight revisions to peripheral components(Highpoint controller, RAID, socket/slot), so Im not at all surprised that they can run at 133FSB since they were built to do that. The Soyo SY-6VBA133 is the equivalent to these boards but it uses Apollo 133 to get there.

The BH6 and 6BA+ are both just high end Pentium II overclocking boards that can in theory run at 133+ FSB but if they dont then that's ok since officially they were never mean to do that but Im sure as hell going to try and see what I get !

Good luck. I currently own about six P2/P3 mobos with Cypress clockgens (which is what Soyo and MSI almost exclusively loved to use) and out of those a single board manages to run 133 stable, an Acer S61 w/ VIA694x. The BX ones will POST but crash during Windows loading if set to 133.

Its always fun to find out what you got in a new bit of gear and how far you can push it.

On the topic of clockgens what are the best ones you have found ?

Usually Realtek, Phaselink and ICS clockgens seem to have been the good ones for P2/P3, with Realtek being probably the best.

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Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 54895 of 55380, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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Linoleum wrote on 2024-10-27, 03:06:

Technically, I didn't buy this today, but my father brought it back from the family home. It's the case I used somewhere between 1999-2001 for the first build I did from the ground up with my own money... Was it the build with a Duron or an Athlon, I really can't remember!?

I was hoping to find some info on that case, but couldn't find anything!!

Only other link that comes to hand - https://vse.kz/topic/477689-kompjuter-za-1500 … -polnom-komple/ - so maybe the case is HuntKey as well?

Reply 54896 of 55380, by myne

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PcBytes wrote on 2024-10-27, 04:28:
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-27, 02:04:
PcBytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 23:47:

Good luck. I currently own about six P2/P3 mobos with Cypress clockgens (which is what Soyo and MSI almost exclusively loved to use) and out of those a single board manages to run 133 stable, an Acer S61 w/ VIA694x. The BX ones will POST but crash during Windows loading if set to 133.

Its always fun to find out what you got in a new bit of gear and how far you can push it.

On the topic of clockgens what are the best ones you have found ?

Usually Realtek, Phaselink and ICS clockgens seem to have been the good ones for P2/P3, with Realtek being probably the best.

They're not too hard to change.
Just have to make sure they're pin compatible - and preferably internally if you want to use bios fsb settings

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Reply 54897 of 55380, by Trashbytes

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myne wrote on 2024-10-27, 05:24:
PcBytes wrote on 2024-10-27, 04:28:
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-27, 02:04:

Its always fun to find out what you got in a new bit of gear and how far you can push it.

On the topic of clockgens what are the best ones you have found ?

Usually Realtek, Phaselink and ICS clockgens seem to have been the good ones for P2/P3, with Realtek being probably the best.

They're not too hard to change.
Just have to make sure they're pin compatible - and preferably internally if you want to use bios fsb settings

Where can you find this out ?

Are Realtek and Cypress pin compatible? .. mostly asking out of curiosity.

Reply 54898 of 55380, by myne

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Datasheets.
No idea, but probably. At least some of them.
Board makers like options.
Chip makers like sales.

It's pretty common for competitors to make their chips compatible with whoever the leader happens to be. They usually say in the datasheet that they are compatible with x.

Eg sb16 compatible, AMDs early existence, Hercules compatible.

This extends down to the accessory ICs and basic logic chips. The early via p2/3 chipsets were pin compatible with bx - because it saves board redesign and makes their product a viable drop in alternative.

Find datasheet for chip in the board.
Look for ' "name" compatible '
If no results look for the same format chip Eg dip32, tsop50 and type (clock chip)

Iirc Intel made a standard like "pc97 clock" and "pc100 clock". Which meant they were all broadly similar anyway.

Edit Here's one. Ck97.

https://download.intel.com/design/PentiumII/x … gd/24386701.pdf

Ck98
https://www.elenota.pl/datasheet-pdf/154501/I … f8147cf396cbb68

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Reply 54899 of 55380, by momaka

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Linoleum wrote on 2024-10-27, 03:06:

Technically, I didn't buy this today, but my father brought it back from the family home. It's the case I used somewhere between 1999-2001 for the first build I did from the ground up with my own money... Was it the build with a Duron or an Athlon, I really can't remember!?

I was hoping to find some info on that case, but couldn't find anything!!

I don't think window cases were much of a thing back in 99 or 2000. (Or I could be wrong?) I also don't remember silver and blue-silver colors on beige cases appearing mostly until late 2000 or early 2001. So my guess would be the case (and build) must be from 2001 or maybe even 2002.

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-10-26, 23:00:

And it does!! Scary stuff! As there seems to be some slight surface damage to the silicon. 😬

Aw, that looks minimal damage... though it is towards the middle edges of the chip, which is a bit more scary indeed.

You should see the Celeron 667 MHz I tested the other day that I got with a scrapper-picked board - the "square" die is almost circular in shape now. 🤣 When I first saw it, I thought, no way this will work, so I put it in a dead s370 mobo just to see what it will do. It did nothing - no smoke or any other funny business. The dead board was happily supplying it with 1.8V (due to dead clockgen chip and reset line constantly resetting, causing the CPU VRM to output higher than usual voltage) and that was it. So I put it in another s370 board (that needed testing), crossed my fingers, and... it worked just fine. 😁
Makes one wonder how/why did Intel "waste" so much silicon on the die when much less is used from it. These days with modern stuff, you so much but scratch a core slightly, and you can forget about the chip ever working anymore.

ciornyi wrote on 2024-10-26, 15:45:

Overclocking is always lottery , you can buy overclocking componets and get nothing aswell as get dirt cheap components and get outstanding result .

Indeed.
I have an Athlon 64 FX-57 and I can't get it to OC to even 3 GHz (from base 2.8 GHz) with stock voltage. I haven't tried with higher V_core... but given how rare of a chip it is, I'm won't be playing these silly OC games with it.
On the other hand, just about every Athlon 64 3000+ and 3200+ Venice core I've come across will happily do up to 2.4-2.6 GHz on stock voltage with the stock heatsink - i.e. nearly matching (if not surpassing) the speed/performance of A64 4000+. Of course, this is only doable if you have a mobo that has options to adjust HT link speed/multiplier.
So for those building socket 939 system, I say don't waste your money on a 3800+ or 4000+ CPU. A 3000/3200/3500+ Venice core will almost always let you beat those with an OC.

Antieon wrote on 2024-10-24, 17:32:

2006 called, asked if I wanted a New Old Stock case for $18... couldn't say no.

Nice!
I miss silver cases from the early/mid 2000's.
What I don't miss (and won't ever) is case doors - ugh!
Seems like they would always get in the way of things and eventually people would accidentally break them off. Then you go buy a used case with those and it just looks fugly.
In that regard, I think I'll give the award for "most useless design case door" to Dell... the Optiplex GX-270 series (IIRC). These had a small hatch on the front to lift up to access the front USB ports. I just about every office and university I've seen these, the hatch was broken off / ripped away. Also, I wonder who though of putting the front USB ports to face downwards at an angle and hidden and then think it's a good design idea. I mean, sure, it did make the (rather large) USB stick of the time to stick out less, making it less likely to break one. But the "mini towers" were often placed on the floor, making it very difficult to insert anything in the front USB ports. On the plus side, I can't tell you how many forgotten USB sticks I have found this way. Always returned them to the "Lost & Found" box, though.

Wes1262 wrote on 2024-10-26, 10:33:

Finally! Got myself an x850XT PE
It took so long to find one..... PCIE, not AGP, but happy nevertheless.
Crossing fingers it works....

Nice!
Still can't believe even these are hard to find now. 7-10 years ago when I used to browse the bay, these were at rock-bottom scrap prices working or otherwise, particularly the PCI-E versions... because, who'd want a top-end early PCI-E card? 😁 And a little before that, AGP cards like the Radeon 9700/9800 were in similar waters. Can't tell you how many R300 GPU's I've passed that were going for no more than $5-10 (and sometimes barely even making it over $1).
How times change.

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 11:36:

hrmmm has dead in the image file name ...not a good omen 🤣

Haha, that's a hilarious find. 🤣
I'm willing to bet that it does work. Seems that ATI kind of started learning their lesson from the # of dead 9700/9800 GPUs. So for the x850 cards, the "dust blower" fan and heatsink assy. they used was much more inline with the TDP of the card.