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Reply 760 of 770, by Roland User

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But drums was be fixed ? Or drum work as older version with bugs on chorrus and delay if use SC-88 and newer map ?
If drums does not fixed , so I not understand what for download new version )

Reply 762 of 770, by RetroGamer4Ever

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Riikcakirds wrote on 2024-08-06, 21:45:

I was going to buy this before september but is Nuked-SC55 considered better than the than this now.

No. Nuked has limitations at the moment and you have to have access to Roland ROM files to use it, so it's not a viable solution for everyone and everything. Sound Canvas VA gives you 64-note polyphony with multiple sound banks and is generally deemed to be pretty good in terms of quality/fidelity and end-user experiences.

Reply 763 of 770, by Kappa971

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RetroGamer4Ever wrote on 2024-08-07, 12:24:

No. Nuked has limitations at the moment and you have to have access to Roland ROM files to use it, so it's not a viable solution for everyone and everything. Sound Canvas VA gives you 64-note polyphony with multiple sound banks and is generally deemed to be pretty good in terms of quality/fidelity and end-user experiences.

Nuked SC-55 has no limitations, it is simply an extremely accurate emulator of the Roland SC-55 and derivatives. The 24-28 voices are a limitation even in real modules.
SCVA instead emulates an SC-8820 so there is no point in making comparisons.

Maybe in the future the SC-88 emulation could arrive on Nuked SC, there is a PR https://github.com/nukeykt/Nuked-SC55/pull/85 about it on GitHub but it is not known if someone is working on it behind the scenes or if it is just an "idea" of something nice for the future.

Reply 764 of 770, by protossscout

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I don't think note polyphony is an issue at this point when you can just launch several instances of Nuked SC-55 or even SC-VA and split up MIDI channels to them (even some old recorded CDs like MIDI POWER ver.4.0 has the author noting they used 2 SC-55 to get around the polyphony limit), so the only real problem is legality.

Just use whatever you can get your hands on. While I tend to use Nuked when playing old games that the sequencer explicitly used SC-55 to sequence the original tracks (example: SC-55 MK1 for X68000 port of Gradius II), sometimes I just switch to SC-VA for the heck of it. SC-VA's also what I use to sequence my own MIDIs because, well, it's the closest to an emulated SC-8820 I could get my hands on and it integrates with Cubase nicely, so there's that.

Reply 765 of 770, by RetroGamer4Ever

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Unfortunately, the software has been completely removed from the RCM and doesn't show up in your RC library, so I'm not sure how you will still get access to it beyond making sure it's not deleted/uninstalled and keep the previously downloaded installer safe. You can find your installed copy of the Sound Canvas VA installer - not the downloaded installer that installed the installer - in your "Program Data" (hidden) root folder, in the subfolder named "Package Cache", in one of the randomized name subfolders that corresponds to whatever was generated when you activated the Roland Cloud download that contained the installer. It is simply called "Sound Canvas VA.exe" and it has an additional file in the directory with it, but I'm not sure what it is, so I just copied it along with the installer executable. Anyway, that's all I have to report. I don't know what will happen if you try to reinstall it or install it on another computer, with the Roland Cloud software already configured, so you'll have to see for yourself.

Reply 766 of 770, by Paralel

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RetroGamer4Ever wrote on 2024-10-13, 19:34:

Unfortunately, the software has been completely removed from the RCM and doesn't show up in your RC library, so I'm not sure how you will still get access to it beyond making sure it's not deleted/uninstalled and keep the previously downloaded installer safe. You can find your installed copy of the Sound Canvas VA installer - not the downloaded installer that installed the installer - in your "Program Data" (hidden) root folder, in the subfolder named "Package Cache", in one of the randomized name subfolders that corresponds to whatever was generated when you activated the Roland Cloud download that contained the installer. It is simply called "Sound Canvas VA.exe" and it has an additional file in the directory with it, but I'm not sure what it is, so I just copied it along with the installer executable. Anyway, that's all I have to report. I don't know what will happen if you try to reinstall it or install it on another computer, with the Roland Cloud software already configured, so you'll have to see for yourself.

I'm rather surprised they removed access like that. That really sucks.

Reply 767 of 770, by darry

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Paralel wrote on 2024-10-25, 02:11:
RetroGamer4Ever wrote on 2024-10-13, 19:34:

Unfortunately, the software has been completely removed from the RCM and doesn't show up in your RC library, so I'm not sure how you will still get access to it beyond making sure it's not deleted/uninstalled and keep the previously downloaded installer safe. You can find your installed copy of the Sound Canvas VA installer - not the downloaded installer that installed the installer - in your "Program Data" (hidden) root folder, in the subfolder named "Package Cache", in one of the randomized name subfolders that corresponds to whatever was generated when you activated the Roland Cloud download that contained the installer. It is simply called "Sound Canvas VA.exe" and it has an additional file in the directory with it, but I'm not sure what it is, so I just copied it along with the installer executable. Anyway, that's all I have to report. I don't know what will happen if you try to reinstall it or install it on another computer, with the Roland Cloud software already configured, so you'll have to see for yourself.

I'm rather surprised they removed access like that. That really sucks.

I wrote to Roland and they provided an "offline" installer. It still requires Roland Cloud Manager to be installed, is not visible within Cloud Manager, but it authenticates fine.

Reply 768 of 770, by zaphod77

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It's good that they provided a solution. For those who are orphaned, there are 32 and 64 bit version that don't require the cloud that can be acquired. With it no longer possible to purchase them for now i think they can be installed without guilt now. I won't say how to get them though.

Nuked SC-55 is a great option if you somehow can get the roms, but is not legally usable in music production. you can playback midis with it legally, and you can compose midis on it, and as long as you only distribute the midis, that's fine too. But you cannot use sc55 as an instrument if you are performing or selling music. You CAN do this with SC-VA still now, provided you bought the lifetime key. As long as you indeed bought the key, using a drm bypassed version is fine legally speaking in my opinion, as long as it's only installed one one pc at a time.

If you do not have a lifetime key, now you are screwed, because none of the sellers have anymore, and your only option for music production is a hardware tone module. The new waveblaster daughterboard is not an option. The original roland pc hardware is one, probably, as it doesn't have any restrictive licensing that i'm aware of, and probably can be used to legally make a sound canvass in a box.

Roland is ok in principle with just playing back midi files and composition. That's why there are so many sc55 soundfonts floating around now. Nuked almost certainly picked the current license specifically so Roland will look the other way and not sue him, while being free to go after violators.

Reply 769 of 770, by RetroGamer4Ever

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Roland stated that they plan to offer something in the future for Sound Canvas enthusiasts and users, but they have not said anything about when they would release any future product or what form it would take. One curious thing about their multi-instrument VSTs - outside of the Sound Canvas offerings - is that they don't have a multi-instrument mode where you can use them for multi-instrument MIDI playback outside of a VST-capable MIDI editor, so there is a need for something to fill that niche for people who want to play MIDI files and play games with good MIDI.

Reply 770 of 770, by darry

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zaphod77 wrote on 2024-10-26, 13:49:
It's good that they provided a solution. For those who are orphaned, there are 32 and 64 bit version that don't require the clo […]
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It's good that they provided a solution. For those who are orphaned, there are 32 and 64 bit version that don't require the cloud that can be acquired. With it no longer possible to purchase them for now i think they can be installed without guilt now. I won't say how to get them though.

Nuked SC-55 is a great option if you somehow can get the roms, but is not legally usable in music production. you can playback midis with it legally, and you can compose midis on it, and as long as you only distribute the midis, that's fine too. But you cannot use sc55 as an instrument if you are performing or selling music. You CAN do this with SC-VA still now, provided you bought the lifetime key. As long as you indeed bought the key, using a drm bypassed version is fine legally speaking in my opinion, as long as it's only installed one one pc at a time.

If you do not have a lifetime key, now you are screwed, because none of the sellers have anymore, and your only option for music production is a hardware tone module. The new waveblaster daughterboard is not an option. The original roland pc hardware is one, probably, as it doesn't have any restrictive licensing that i'm aware of, and probably can be used to legally make a sound canvass in a box.

Roland is ok in principle with just playing back midi files and composition. That's why there are so many sc55 soundfonts floating around now. Nuked almost certainly picked the current license specifically so Roland will look the other way and not sue him, while being free to go after violators.

I plan to try setting up SCVA in a repurposed Chromebox. I7 8550U can probably handle it fine. I wonder if I can get a small touch screen to interface with it.