Is it common for them to have different chips? I have a 3000 here, and all RAM chips are the same - Hyundai/Hynix HY57V161610D.

PD2JK wrote on 2024-11-26, 16:04:

Asus PCI/E (not express 😏 ) P54NP4

Stated not working. Let's see about that.

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A true beauty, definitely deserves being saved. Good luck with that, NT is waiting 😉

PcBytes wrote on 2024-11-26, 18:17:

Is it common for them to have different chips? I have a 3000 here, and all RAM chips are the same - Hyundai/Hynix HY57V161610D.

Apparently yes, see attached a picture of mine.

Some are Infineon branded and some SIEMENS. Although they seems to be the same PN, so maybe it all came from the same factory with different branding.

Got this 2 recently, in my opinion the best looking video cards ever made.
The Geforce 3 works great.
Unfortunately the Quadro 2 Pro is glitching

Pino wrote on 2024-11-26, 18:57:

PcBytes wrote on 2024-11-26, 18:17:

Is it common for them to have different chips? I have a 3000 here, and all RAM chips are the same - Hyundai/Hynix HY57V161610D.

Apparently yes, see attached a picture of mine.

Some are Infineon branded and some SIEMENS. Although they seems to be the same PN, so maybe it all came from the same factory with different branding.

Probably just different batches from the same factory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infineon_Technologies

I guess Infineon was spun-off from SIEMENS in 1999, so at some point they would have had chips with both names printed on them.

Pino wrote on 2024-11-26, 18:59:

Got this 2 recently, in my opinion the best looking video cards ever made.
The Geforce 3 works great.
Unfortunately the Quadro 2 Pro is glitching

I have the quadro 2 pro one. Broke the original noisy fan trying to reoil it. Using aftermarket chinese flower cooler. The image that comes from it is disappointingly not very sharp. Only good thing about it is that it doesnt have texel alilgnment issues in games like need for speed iii(?)

Does ivy bridge count as "retro" yet? I just picked up a Pentium G 2020 based IBM Thinkcentre for $20. 2gb of ram, 500gb HDD of some flavor and in wonderful condition! Not sure what I'm going to do with it yet, but my 1st thought is to find 8gb of ram and a low power i7 for it + a 500gb SSD I have kicking around. It has a TPM 1.2 module, so I'm also considering fooling around with putting windows 11 on it.

I was looking for a reasonably priced Radeon 9800 pro/xt for a long time. I ended up getting two this week.

A 9800 Pro 128MB (R350, full 256bit bus, zalman cooler) and a Medion 9800 XXL (OEM only. R360 256bit bus. Core clock between Pro and XT)

Both works perfectly. The 9800XXL cooler is noisy, even after lubrication. I will add it to vgamuseum.

With the semi-defective 9700 Pro from last month I feel like i'm on a good streak for R3XX series.

I also bought a lot of two Mini ITX Via C3 motherboards (VXL P3VB-VXL : https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/gigaby … ga-p3vb-rev-1-0). Unfortunately probably both defective.

Also got some games / Software recently.
(Re: Bought these games today)

ODwilly wrote on 2024-11-26, 23:07:

Does ivy bridge count as "retro" yet? I just picked up a Pentium G 2020 based IBM Thinkcentre for $20. 2gb of ram, 500gb HDD of some flavor and in wonderful condition! Not sure what I'm going to do with it yet, but my 1st thought is to find 8gb of ram and a low power i7 for it + a 500gb SSD I have kicking around. It has a TPM 1.2 module, so I'm also considering fooling around with putting windows 11 on it.

I have a hard time accepting Northwood as retro, much less an 1155 based system. It is also subjective to one's definition.

ODwilly wrote on 2024-11-26, 23:07:

Does ivy bridge count as "retro" yet? I just picked up a Pentium G 2020 based IBM Thinkcentre for $20. 2gb of ram, 500gb HDD of some flavor and in wonderful condition! Not sure what I'm going to do with it yet, but my 1st thought is to find 8gb of ram and a low power i7 for it + a 500gb SSD I have kicking around. It has a TPM 1.2 module, so I'm also considering fooling around with putting windows 11 on it.

I think there's some options in the Xeon E3-12xx V2/V3 series as well.

Dmetsys wrote on 2024-11-26, 16:38:

Linoleum wrote on 2024-11-25, 05:11:

Bought these two for $10 each... That's $80 cheaper than when I first purchased a AWE64...

AWE64 Value's are plentiful on eBay. Lots of them to be found. Can't fault their performance though.

The sad part of this story is that I paid $80 +tx a few months ago for an AWE64 on eBay... They're still fairly rare up here.

Linoleum wrote on 2024-11-27, 02:42:

Dmetsys wrote on 2024-11-26, 16:38:

Linoleum wrote on 2024-11-25, 05:11:

Bought these two for $10 each... That's $80 cheaper than when I first purchased a AWE64...

AWE64 Value's are plentiful on eBay. Lots of them to be found. Can't fault their performance though.

The sad part of this story is that I paid $80 +tx a few months ago for an AWE64 on eBay... They're still fairly rare up here.

$80+ Tax for an AWe64 Value is highway robbery. The Gold variant though, I can barely accept that as an $80 card. Luckily I found mine in a box of old parts at someone's garage sale for $20, a CT4520 variant.

Dmetsys wrote on 2024-11-27, 01:11:

ODwilly wrote on 2024-11-26, 23:07:

Does ivy bridge count as "retro" yet? I just picked up a Pentium G 2020 based IBM Thinkcentre for $20. 2gb of ram, 500gb HDD of some flavor and in wonderful condition! Not sure what I'm going to do with it yet, but my 1st thought is to find 8gb of ram and a low power i7 for it + a 500gb SSD I have kicking around. It has a TPM 1.2 module, so I'm also considering fooling around with putting windows 11 on it.

I have a hard time accepting Northwood as retro, much less an 1155 based system. It is also subjective to one's definition.

Thank you, agreed. I think retro goes together well with "obsolete". I just didn't think I'd find a PC at my local Goodwill. It was in with the TV's and monitors and priced as such

ODwilly wrote on 2024-11-27, 05:52:

Dmetsys wrote on 2024-11-27, 01:11:

ODwilly wrote on 2024-11-26, 23:07:

Does ivy bridge count as "retro" yet? I just picked up a Pentium G 2020 based IBM Thinkcentre for $20. 2gb of ram, 500gb HDD of some flavor and in wonderful condition! Not sure what I'm going to do with it yet, but my 1st thought is to find 8gb of ram and a low power i7 for it + a 500gb SSD I have kicking around. It has a TPM 1.2 module, so I'm also considering fooling around with putting windows 11 on it.

I have a hard time accepting Northwood as retro, much less an 1155 based system. It is also subjective to one's definition.

Thank you, agreed. I think retro goes together well with "obsolete". I just didn't think I'd find a PC at my local Goodwill. It was in with the TV's and monitors and priced as such

I would define obsolete as something that can no longer be used. Not so much the case with our collections of hardware. A 20 year old copy of Office on the other hand....

There are still plenty of older systems out there being used for CNC purposes.

A couple of boards 5Euro each from a recent thrift:

Asus P2 99B - an AT motherboard with ATX connections and Intel 440ZX (100MHz FSB support) chipset. Sweet!

And a Gigabyte GA-8I915ME. Was very stoked to see such a board - LGA775, 915 chipset, which I recalled could support Win98 and it also had an AGP slot! Was thinking about the W98 builds I could do with this when going home.

Then when I got back I looked into the specs more and the disappointment kicked in: https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/gigaby … e-ga-8i915me-gl

First, the "AGP" slot is not actually AGP - its a PCI slot you can shove an AGP card in, but not ANY AGP card - like PCI its 3.3V only, meaning that later cards will not work and will likely get damaged. Why they used a 1.5V slot is a mystery, but it does mean that you cannot even put an older card like a Voodoo in it. So its universal cards ONLY.

CPU support is for P4 and Celeron only. No C2Q, no C2D (Even the E series ones), no Pentium D.

Honestly, this looks to be a candidate for a troll build - imagine buying this in 2005, thinking you're being smart by being able to re-use your old AGP card, only to later find that you are stuck with single-core Pentium 4, unable to get into multi-core systems like those who bought into AMDs 939 a year back and just to add more frustration - your AGP card (likely something like a Geforce4 MX or FX5200 - as I recall that's what most of my friends had at the time and hopefully not a 1.5V-only Radeon 9600) now cant run many of the games that you ran just fine on your old system because its being choked by the PCI bus.

Munx wrote on 2024-11-27, 13:23:

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A couple of boards 5Euro each from a recent thrift:

Asus P2 99B - an AT motherboard with ATX connections and Intel 440ZX (100MHz FSB support) chipset. Sweet!

And a Gigabyte GA-8I915ME. Was very stoked to see such a board - LGA775, 915 chipset, which I recalled could support Win98 and it also had an AGP slot! Was thinking about the W98 builds I could do with this when going home.

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Then when I got back I looked into the specs more and the disappointment kicked in: https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/gigaby … e-ga-8i915me-gl

First, the "AGP" slot is not actually AGP - its a PCI slot you can shove an AGP card in, but not ANY AGP card - like PCI its 3.3V only, meaning that later cards will not work and will likely get damaged. Why they used a 1.5V slot is a mystery, but it does mean that you cannot even put an older card like a Voodoo in it. So its universal cards ONLY.

CPU support is for P4 and Celeron only. No C2Q, no C2D (Even the E series ones), no Pentium D.

Honestly, this looks to be a candidate for a troll build - imagine buying this in 2005, thinking you're being smart by being able to re-use your old AGP card, only to later find that you are stuck with single-core Pentium 4, unable to get into multi-core systems like those who bought into AMDs 939 a year back and just to add more frustration - your AGP card (likely something like a Geforce4 MX or FX5200 - as I recall that's what most of my friends had at the time and hopefully not a 1.5V-only Radeon 9600) now cant run many of the games that you ran just fine on your old system because its being choked by the PCI bus.

I was thinking ZX were restricted to 2 RAM slots. They often used same boards as BX though, so wonder if someone put an extra slot on that one. Anyway, for period OS and period high, not extreme, amounts of RAM they are indistinguishable in use from a BX and and you can basically get a BX without paying "BX tax" .. unless it's stamped ZX-66 of course then you've got an LX with delusions of grandeur (I think the only marginal benefit over LX boards is better ATA)

The other board, there's a thread around about extending the abilities of 915 I think.

BitWrangler wrote on 2024-11-27, 16:22:

Munx wrote on 2024-11-27, 13:23:

A couple of boards 5Euro each from a recent thrift: […]
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A couple of boards 5Euro each from a recent thrift:

Asus P2 99B - an AT motherboard with ATX connections and Intel 440ZX (100MHz FSB support) chipset. Sweet!

And a Gigabyte GA-8I915ME. Was very stoked to see such a board - LGA775, 915 chipset, which I recalled could support Win98 and it also had an AGP slot! Was thinking about the W98 builds I could do with this when going home.

The attachment 20241127_145204.jpg is no longer available

Then when I got back I looked into the specs more and the disappointment kicked in: https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/gigaby … e-ga-8i915me-gl

First, the "AGP" slot is not actually AGP - its a PCI slot you can shove an AGP card in, but not ANY AGP card - like PCI its 3.3V only, meaning that later cards will not work and will likely get damaged. Why they used a 1.5V slot is a mystery, but it does mean that you cannot even put an older card like a Voodoo in it. So its universal cards ONLY.

CPU support is for P4 and Celeron only. No C2Q, no C2D (Even the E series ones), no Pentium D.

Honestly, this looks to be a candidate for a troll build - imagine buying this in 2005, thinking you're being smart by being able to re-use your old AGP card, only to later find that you are stuck with single-core Pentium 4, unable to get into multi-core systems like those who bought into AMDs 939 a year back and just to add more frustration - your AGP card (likely something like a Geforce4 MX or FX5200 - as I recall that's what most of my friends had at the time and hopefully not a 1.5V-only Radeon 9600) now cant run many of the games that you ran just fine on your old system because its being choked by the PCI bus.

I was thinking ZX were restricted to 2 RAM slots. They often used same boards as BX though, so wonder if someone put an extra slot on that one. Anyway, for period OS and period high, not extreme, amounts of RAM they are indistinguishable in use from a BX and and you can basically get a BX without paying "BX tax" .. unless it's stamped ZX-66 of course then you've got an LX with delusions of grandeur (I think the only marginal benefit over LX boards is better ATA)

The other board, there's a thread around about extending the abilities of 915 I think.

Its a proper ZX - has jumper settings for up to 133 FSB. There are 0 features that BX has over it that I actually need so I'm quite happy with it.

Munx wrote on 2024-11-27, 13:23:

A couple of boards 5Euro each from a recent thrift: […]
Show full quote

A couple of boards 5Euro each from a recent thrift:

Asus P2 99B - an AT motherboard with ATX connections and Intel 440ZX (100MHz FSB support) chipset. Sweet!

And a Gigabyte GA-8I915ME. Was very stoked to see such a board - LGA775, 915 chipset, which I recalled could support Win98 and it also had an AGP slot! Was thinking about the W98 builds I could do with this when going home.

The attachment 20241127_145204.jpg is no longer available

Then when I got back I looked into the specs more and the disappointment kicked in: https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/gigaby … e-ga-8i915me-gl

First, the "AGP" slot is not actually AGP - its a PCI slot you can shove an AGP card in, but not ANY AGP card - like PCI its 3.3V only, meaning that later cards will not work and will likely get damaged. Why they used a 1.5V slot is a mystery, but it does mean that you cannot even put an older card like a Voodoo in it. So its universal cards ONLY.

CPU support is for P4 and Celeron only. No C2Q, no C2D (Even the E series ones), no Pentium D.

Honestly, this looks to be a candidate for a troll build - imagine buying this in 2005, thinking you're being smart by being able to re-use your old AGP card, only to later find that you are stuck with single-core Pentium 4, unable to get into multi-core systems like those who bought into AMDs 939 a year back and just to add more frustration - your AGP card (likely something like a Geforce4 MX or FX5200 - as I recall that's what most of my friends had at the time and hopefully not a 1.5V-only Radeon 9600) now cant run many of the games that you ran just fine on your old system because its being choked by the PCI bus.

Lol that's actually kinda hilarious.
If it's any consolation, the bandwidth isn't the biggest issue if there's enough memory - and most later agp cards just did supported both voltages because it wasn't too hard.

ODwilly wrote on 2024-11-26, 23:07:

Does ivy bridge count as "retro" yet? I just picked up a Pentium G 2020 based IBM Thinkcentre for $20. 2gb of ram, 500gb HDD of some flavor and in wonderful condition! Not sure what I'm going to do with it yet, but my 1st thought is to find 8gb of ram and a low power i7 for it + a 500gb SSD I have kicking around. It has a TPM 1.2 module, so I'm also considering fooling around with putting windows 11 on it.

TPM 2.0 required and newer CPU gen 8 and 9 and later and specific gen and later for AMD.

Just to remember that and good luck on forcing the win 11 install on older computers.

Cheers,

pentiumspeed wrote on 2024-11-27, 18:17:

TPM 2.0 required and newer CPU gen 8 and 9 and later and specific gen and later for AMD. […]
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ODwilly wrote on 2024-11-26, 23:07:

Does ivy bridge count as "retro" yet? I just picked up a Pentium G 2020 based IBM Thinkcentre for $20. 2gb of ram, 500gb HDD of some flavor and in wonderful condition! Not sure what I'm going to do with it yet, but my 1st thought is to find 8gb of ram and a low power i7 for it + a 500gb SSD I have kicking around. It has a TPM 1.2 module, so I'm also considering fooling around with putting windows 11 on it.

TPM 2.0 required and newer CPU gen 8 and 9 and later and specific gen and later for AMD.

Just to remember that and good luck on forcing the win 11 install on older computers.

Cheers,

With the Rufus imaging tool it's really simple to bypass all of the windows 11 hardware requirements. I'll probably be upgrading my X58 Xeon system to windows 11 after the holidays. I used Rufus to install 11 on an old AMD fx based laptop with zero issues.