IPOX IP-4GVI20

Predator99 wrote on 2024-03-05, 19:45:

Dont know where else to post...seems not to be listed in theretroweb: IPOX IP-4GVI22 […]
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Dont know where else to post...seems not to be listed in theretroweb:
IPOX IP-4GVI22

IP-4GVI22-31.zip
IP-4GVI22.jpg
IP-4GVI22BIO.jpg

I gues you'll have to create a socket478 bios thread. Anyway, this is an alter ego of this thing here:
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/ipox-tech-ip-4gvi83

I got a memory board "BM-201" here. Looks like it could fit in the Elitegroup ECS 386A, but I am not sure about it.

https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/ecs-386a

Hello,
There is one thing is driving me crazy.
p3TDE6 vs 370DE6
I think you know a bit of the cards I mentioned.
I have the 370DE6 and it is totally identical to the P3TDE6 as far as I can tell.
Same ports, same chipsets. Even same bios file!
And this prevents me from crossflash the card to her Tualatin siblings…
I see no reasons why a 370DE6 cannot become a P3TDE6.
Have you any idea on how I can do this?
How the bios file recognises one card or another and how to force to flash onto P3TDE6 status??

Mamba wrote on 2024-04-03, 05:38:

Hello, There is one thing is driving me crazy. p3TDE6 vs 370DE6 I think you know a bit of the cards I mentioned. I have the 370D […]
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Hello,
There is one thing is driving me crazy.
p3TDE6 vs 370DE6
I think you know a bit of the cards I mentioned.
I have the 370DE6 and it is totally identical to the P3TDE6 as far as I can tell.
Same ports, same chipsets. Even same bios file!
And this prevents me from crossflash the card to her Tualatin siblings…
I see no reasons why a 370DE6 cannot become a P3TDE6.
Have you any idea on how I can do this?
How the bios file recognises one card or another and how to force to flash onto P3TDE6 status??

If they share the very same BIOS, why you need to (cross)flash it? Maybe these motherboards differ in VRMs as the Tualatins need less voltage than Coppermines.

analog_programmer wrote on 2024-04-03, 05:49:

Mamba wrote on 2024-04-03, 05:38:

Hello, There is one thing is driving me crazy. p3TDE6 vs 370DE6 I think you know a bit of the cards I mentioned. I have the 370D […]
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Hello,
There is one thing is driving me crazy.
p3TDE6 vs 370DE6
I think you know a bit of the cards I mentioned.
I have the 370DE6 and it is totally identical to the P3TDE6 as far as I can tell.
Same ports, same chipsets. Even same bios file!
And this prevents me from crossflash the card to her Tualatin siblings…
I see no reasons why a 370DE6 cannot become a P3TDE6.
Have you any idea on how I can do this?
How the bios file recognises one card or another and how to force to flash onto P3TDE6 status??

If they share the very same BIOS, why you need to (cross)flash it? Maybe these motherboards differ in VRMs as the Tualatins need less voltage than Coppermines.

If it was that simple…
Supermicro often uses same bios files for similar motherboards.
There must be an ID chip or something on the mother that make sure the bios file loads specific parameters.
I need to crossflash because I want full Tualatin support and I do not see why I cannot.
They are the same board.

Mamba wrote on 2024-04-03, 06:24:

If it was that simple… Supermicro often uses same bios files for similar motherboards. There must be an ID chip or something on […]
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If it was that simple…
Supermicro often uses same bios files for similar motherboards.
There must be an ID chip or something on the mother that make sure the bios file loads specific parameters.
I need to crossflash because I want full Tualatin support and I do not see why I cannot.
They are the same board.

It there is some chip on this boards, witch communicates with BIOS and alters which CPU specific registers to be initialized at POST-ing, then cross-flashing the BIOS will be of no use.

Mamba wrote on 2024-04-03, 06:24:

If it was that simple… Supermicro often uses same bios files for similar motherboards. There must be an ID chip or something on […]
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analog_programmer wrote on 2024-04-03, 05:49:

Mamba wrote on 2024-04-03, 05:38:

Hello, There is one thing is driving me crazy. p3TDE6 vs 370DE6 I think you know a bit of the cards I mentioned. I have the 370D […]
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Hello,
There is one thing is driving me crazy.
p3TDE6 vs 370DE6
I think you know a bit of the cards I mentioned.
I have the 370DE6 and it is totally identical to the P3TDE6 as far as I can tell.
Same ports, same chipsets. Even same bios file!
And this prevents me from crossflash the card to her Tualatin siblings…
I see no reasons why a 370DE6 cannot become a P3TDE6.
Have you any idea on how I can do this?
How the bios file recognises one card or another and how to force to flash onto P3TDE6 status??

If they share the very same BIOS, why you need to (cross)flash it? Maybe these motherboards differ in VRMs as the Tualatins need less voltage than Coppermines.

If it was that simple…
Supermicro often uses same bios files for similar motherboards.
There must be an ID chip or something on the mother that make sure the bios file loads specific parameters.
I need to crossflash because I want full Tualatin support and I do not see why I cannot.
They are the same board.

But they're clearly not!

There's an SM support note somewhere (can't find it atm) which clearly states that support will only be provided for tualatin processors on P3Txxx series boards.

The 370DE6 was old tech (introduced September 2000) by the time the PIII-S chips launched - ServerWorks (Broadcom) didn't confirm HE-SL support for these until November 2001 (may have been existing or a new stepping).

Can tell you I tried similar oa a 370DER (same vintage as the DE6, also with the HE-SL chipset) but no go.

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-04-03, 06:56:

But they're clearly not! […]
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Mamba wrote on 2024-04-03, 06:24:

If it was that simple… Supermicro often uses same bios files for similar motherboards. There must be an ID chip or something on […]
Show full quote

analog_programmer wrote on 2024-04-03, 05:49:

If they share the very same BIOS, why you need to (cross)flash it? Maybe these motherboards differ in VRMs as the Tualatins need less voltage than Coppermines.

If it was that simple…
Supermicro often uses same bios files for similar motherboards.
There must be an ID chip or something on the mother that make sure the bios file loads specific parameters.
I need to crossflash because I want full Tualatin support and I do not see why I cannot.
They are the same board.

But they're clearly not!

There's an SM support note somewhere (can't find it atm) which clearly states that support will only be provided for tualatin processors on P3Txxx series boards.

The 370DE6 was old tech (introduced September 2000) by the time the PIII-S chips launched - ServerWorks (Broadcom) didn't confirm HE-SL support for these until November 2001 (may have been existing or a new stepping).

Can tell you I tried similar oa a 370DER (same vintage as the DE6, also with the HE-SL chipset) but no go.

So basically we are talking about a different revision of the same Serverwork chipset?
I mean if the chip are the same, the layout is the same and everything else.
I assume there is only a different revision?

Klench wrote on 2022-02-24, 21:27:

p1p1p1 wrote on 2020-10-08, 23:15:

hello, anyone have CACHING TECH CORPORATION C386MX? please i need bios dump for this motherboard ...

P1p1p1,
Writing to confirm if you need the c386mx bios still.

YES, im running on some other compatible bios but i cant use whole ram ...

Mamba wrote on 2024-04-03, 07:01:

So basically we are talking about a different revision of the same Serverwork chipset? I mean if the chip are the same, the layo […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-04-03, 06:56:

But they're clearly not! […]
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Mamba wrote on 2024-04-03, 06:24:

If it was that simple… Supermicro often uses same bios files for similar motherboards. There must be an ID chip or something on […]
Show full quote

If it was that simple…
Supermicro often uses same bios files for similar motherboards.
There must be an ID chip or something on the mother that make sure the bios file loads specific parameters.
I need to crossflash because I want full Tualatin support and I do not see why I cannot.
They are the same board.

But they're clearly not!

There's an SM support note somewhere (can't find it atm) which clearly states that support will only be provided for tualatin processors on P3Txxx series boards.

The 370DE6 was old tech (introduced September 2000) by the time the PIII-S chips launched - ServerWorks (Broadcom) didn't confirm HE-SL support for these until November 2001 (may have been existing or a new stepping).

Can tell you I tried similar oa a 370DER (same vintage as the DE6, also with the HE-SL chipset) but no go.

So basically we are talking about a different revision of the same Serverwork chipset?
I mean if the chip are the same, the layout is the same and everything else.
I assume there is only a different revision?

Differences between revisions can be minor or major, this depends on the manufacturer. In this case it is the support for newer CPUs that was added, hence the older version cannot be used with newer CPUs. Unfortunately, RCC/ServerWorks chipsets have less than stellar documentation available, let alone revision documents...

I got a 486 Memory Card labeled "Mintek 2070" "486/25 Memory Card". I have found this link where you can find a picture of it together with the corresponding Mainboard:
https://www.waltpolitik.de/specials/486-26MC.htm

It seems to be one of these ones:
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/unknown-apc-486
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/unknow … 86-25-mainboard

The board has a 286 ZyMOS/Appian POACH Chipset just like the ASUS ISA-486C:
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-isa-486c