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First post, by Sabina_16bit.

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Greetings.
This opinion poll is quite simple:
What is by Your opinion the most beautiful laptop(best design)?
For me clearly it is
IBM ThinkPad X40.

Reply 1 of 38, by DosFreak

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The following are the threads you have created on this forum which are suspicious. This forum isn't for you to scrape data from for whatever purposes you may have. Participate or go elsewhere.

Which Drives Dies Sooner? SMR HDDs or SSDs?
What Is Your Favorite Game(opinion poll)?
Miss Laptop-vote for most beautiful laptop(opinion poll).
What Is Your Favorite Operating System(opinion poll)
What Is Your Most Hated Operating System(opinion poll)?
What Is Your Favorite Orthodox File Manager(opinion poll)?
Which New HDDs R Still Made as 512e(or 512n),thus Usable as Spare/Upgrade Parts for Legacy PCs & Legacy OSs.
Serious Bug or Possible Sabotage of AVG Antivirus for Windows XP
Do U Know About an Antivirus Still Usable with Windows XP?

//Updated the above by removing threads that OP has posted in but not created by but are similar to the above:
How many "hobbyist" PCs do you have?
Windows XP how many people still use for it their MAIN OS?

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Reply 2 of 38, by PcBytes

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The hobbyist thread appears to be made by Brawndo though.

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Reply 3 of 38, by Sabina_16bit.

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True,the hobbist is not my.
Windows XP how many people still use for it their MAIN OS? is also not based by me.
& on the other hand these r not the only,I created,but as U r after me,it would be quite stupid to list the others,@ least U will delete later those,U did not find yet...
& what elsewhere?
All admins on all tech forums hates female members,so I guess,this is the same & U r searching a surrogate reason to get rid of a female member.
U picked all opinion poll-like topics except the Which Dies Sooner-SMR/SSD?
So I guess,opinion polls r against the rules,but I have read them & I did not found any restriction on opinion poll-like topics,thus U changed the rules or I broke another-unwritten rule-being a women in a men-only club?
But deleting me for gender is against the rules of both Your & my country,thus U have to fabricate an another reason for deleting me.
Sure,if I would man,U would not attack me,nor the other 1,who attacked me for asking about SMR drives.
On some forums I tested this theory by creating 1 profile,where I did not hide my gender & then,after I was deleted,I created another profile,which not exposed my gender & that 1 was not deleted,even I behaved the same,exceptions was Computing.net & OldComp.cz ,which r the only forums,where I was never attacked for gender(but Computing.net somehow inaccessible @ all,probably EoL).
But maybe now with Trump ruling Your country again U r heading back to 1950s & thus misogyny will probably become legal soon there,so U will soon be able to delete me without pretending another deletion reason.
But with not punishing a man obviously braking the rules about despectful posts & punishing a women for nothing against the rules speaks clearly about the true reason of Your hatred.
By deleting me,which will sure occur within 5 mins from U read this,U r confirming,I am banned for gender,because I did not broke any written rule here.
If U updated the rules,U should send a message to all,that there is a new rule,for example ban on opinion-like topics.
On the other hand it is quite amazing,that only 2 persons do hate me here,but when 1 of these r admin,it is a dead end & it conly can result in Your press of F8 on me & U will finally win & have Your forum men-only again,because I am too old,tired & sick to lawsuite U for discrimination after U will delete me.
So congrats,U won,U beat a women out,Trump will give U a medal for making world great men-only again.I often forgot,a retro web always has be so retro,it also must have 1950s' sexistic rules...
On the other hand,in a world reset to 1950s I will no regret,when antivirus vendors will discontinue support for Windows 8.1 & as I will never accept Win.10+,I will give up internet,overall it is only about discrimination & cyberbullying,so U will go back in 1950s & I will go back to 1993(here pre-internet era)...
Can U give me 24hrs.for farewell with those,who do not hate me,be4 U delete me?
Of course I will also use it to notify others posting on my topics to not waste time writing new posts there,as the topic will be deleted soon by U.
Enjoy Your victory.

Reply 4 of 38, by cyclone3d

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There have been other posts about favorite this or that but worded differently.

Not sure why DosFreak is having a come-undone about it.

If you don't want to reply to a thread, then don't reply. Simple as that.

We have had obvious trolls and bots here in the past but those are pretty easy to spot.

As for me, I tend to like some newr-ish laptop designs. My current favorite as far as good looks go is the Lenovo IdeaPad Y500. But I just saved that from being trashed so I may be a bit biased.

For a newer that I have, it is an HP Elitebook x360 830 G7. A very good looking 2-in-1 that is great for taking with me when I don't want to lug a heavy beast of a laptop around.

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Reply 5 of 38, by MikeSG

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Pentium 1 era:
Compaq Armada 4150 w/ docking station

Semi-modern:
HP Elitebook 8570

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Reply 6 of 38, by zb10948

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It has to be some IBM Thinkpad.

Sabina as far as I can tell, you're not breaking any rules but your posts are hard to read. Add some paragraphs, and try to write with proper words (not U but you, etc...) because it's far easier to read.

Reply 7 of 38, by zb10948

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Btw. public internet is not "public", it's just accessible to public.
You cannot sue for discrimination. These are all private platforms. Yes a forum owner can ban everyone and anyone for any reason.

Reply 8 of 38, by Intel486dx33

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The Apple G3/G4 iBook
And
The Toshiba 18-inch Qosimo

These two laptops will Haunt you in your Sleep with their Beauty and Easy use features.
Harmon Kardon Surround sound
Bluray drive
Carbon fiber look finish case
Executive level Corporate laptops
Beautiful cases and Wall paper.
Piano finish Gloss Black
Piano Finish Gloss White

And these are Both Repairable and EASY to Upgrade.

Steve Jobs quote: “Good Peoples want to Work with the Best because working with the Best Helps to Make you Better”

When you work with these laptops you know you are working with some of the Best.

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Reply 9 of 38, by Sabina_16bit.

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cyclone3d wrote on 2025-03-02, 04:44:
There have been other posts about favorite this or that but worded differently. […]
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There have been other posts about favorite this or that but worded differently.

Not sure why DosFreak is having a come-undone about it.

If you don't want to reply to a thread, then don't reply. Simple as that.

We have had obvious trolls and bots here in the past but those are pretty easy to spot.

As for me, I tend to like some newr-ish laptop designs. My current favorite as far as good looks go is the Lenovo IdeaPad Y500. But I just saved that from being trashed so I may be a bit biased.

For a newer that I have, it is an HP Elitebook x360 830 G7. A very good looking 2-in-1 that is great for taking with me when I don't want to lug a heavy beast of a laptop around.

Thanks,so it is just more & more clear,he is after me for clearly personal reasons.
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I also saved from trash most of my laptops & I love the old squared/pointy designs,I also very love Siemens Nixdorf PCD3Nsl & PCD3Nsx/20,but ThinkPads topped this design.

Reply 10 of 38, by Sabina_16bit.

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zb10948 wrote on 2025-03-02, 11:53:

It has to be some IBM Thinkpad.

Sabina as far as I can tell, you're not breaking any rules but your posts are hard to read. Add some paragraphs, and try to write with proper words (not U but you, etc...) because it's far easier to read.

So the hatred may be caused by non-formal way of writing,is Your opininon,that if I will write as if this was a newspaper,he will not hate me?

Reply 11 of 38, by Socket3

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I'm gonna vote for the following:

HP HDX series (HDX16, HDX18):

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HP Pavillion ZD series (ZD7000, ZD8000)

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Reply 12 of 38, by PcBytes

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Ain't that a C810 tho? 🤣

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Reply 13 of 38, by Sabina_16bit.

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zb10948 wrote on 2025-03-02, 11:56:

Btw. public internet is not "public", it's just accessible to public.
You cannot sue for discrimination. These are all private platforms. Yes a forum owner can ban everyone and anyone for any reason.

So if I will have a private computer museum,I can for example ban muslims from entering it & I will not brake any law by telling a visitor:" I will not allow U in,because U r muslim." & no1 can lawsuit me?
Than OK,when I will have that museum,I will ban misogynist to enter it.
& if U r supporting the admin for banning female users,I will make it harder:
I am also Jew,I am also Dyke,I am also Vegan,my surname means Green,so I am also woman of color...
...& U can delete me only 1ce...
I have prepared same to say,when I meet a skinhead,I will just die 1ce,but he will not enjoy killing me,because he will suffer for the rest of his life,he could not kill me another 3 times...
But maybe I should die with honor & delete my profile sooner,than he will do,to not let him enjoy pressing Delete?
If I would meet a skinhead & have no escape Kobayashi Maru scenario,& I would have a cyanide pill,I would sure swallow it & thus avoid suffering from a worse death & retain dignity & he would be deprived of enjoy of killing me(or doing worse things to me),& probably also that would minimize to neutralize his joy from victory,as he will not truly defeat me,when I will kill myself sooner...
So shall I prefere auto-destruct,be4 his disruptor will be charged?
Kirk would cheat,so hack & delete him,but I have no hacking skills,thus for me the Kobayashi Maru scenario is real.
But if it is legal to ban som1 for gender,race,or whatever else,then he simply could write it to the rules,that he dislike to have female members on his forum & I would then probably not even register...But then of course he could not enjoy the battle,in which he cannot lose & which ends with that amazing enjoyment of pressing Delete(i guess,it will be Shift+Delete),of course.
& just imagine, what if we r all in a simulation (Matrix-theory) & outside is an admin with desires like this 1 & daily deletes persons just for joy,any1 can be deleted @ any time,not just a profile & U can never know,r U in a real world & there is just 1 asteroid per 65M years & otherwise U r safe,if U do not leave Your apartment,or U r in a virtual reality ruled by a sadistic admin ready to delete any1 for any reason.
By the way,do U know,what really happened in the library of Alexandria?
Just its admin had a deleting mood...
& there was same problem,a female member(Hypatia),of which admins wanted to get rid...
& if any private institution can legally discriminate,that would mean,if U r a woman or a colored person,or so,U only may apply for a job in state institutions, U only can put Your kids to state school & so on,because if private subjects r allowed to discriminate,a private company can not employ or fire U for gender,color,or orientation legally,private school will not accept Your black daughter & it will not be a crime & if a municipal transportation department is private too,som1 may kick U out of a subway,because U have wrong color/gender?

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Reply 14 of 38, by dr_st

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DosFreak wrote on 2025-03-01, 20:29:

This forum isn't for you to scrape data from for whatever purposes you may have. Participate or go elsewhere.

FWIW, OP does seem to be actively participating in all threads she creates. Not sure what the problem is. 🫤

zb10948 wrote on 2025-03-02, 11:53:

It has to be some IBM Thinkpad.

Absolutely, although not necessarily IBM. 😉

To answer the poll... I do find the Thinkpad X40/X41 very cute and pretty laptops.
However, to me a laptop's beauty has to be a combination of form and function. And the X4x series had significant functional downsides.

I think that for legacy machines - I would single out the Thinkpad T60. Although it was released after the Lenovo acquisition, it was clearly still designed in the IBM time frame, and draws heavily on classic T4x looks. However, it brings important advantages such as dual core processors (not an IBM/Lenovo contribution, but still), Windows key on the keyboard (finally!), slightly better selection of ports, and, in my opinion, a cleaner and more symmetric design.
The Z61t Thinkpads would be second in my book. They are even prettier than T60, but have more functional compromises. The next couple of generations (T61/T400/T500) are really ugly.

For more modern Thinkpads - I have to choose the Thinkpad 25th Anniversary Edition. I'm heavily biased towards the classic 7-row keyboard layout, and cannot stand all modern machines, Thinkpads included, which dropped that feature. The Thinkpad 25 is a modern T470 with a 7-row keyboard, which makes it look even better, IMO. Despite the clear technological deficiencies (limited to dual core CPU and FHD display), it provides a unique and useful selection of ports and features.

If it hadn't been for my clear, undying preference for 7-row keyboards, I would probably choose the X1 Carbon 5th/6th generation for their looks and amazing combination of form and function. I once posted a comparison, complete with photos, between the three models:
https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=128310

@Sabina_16bit.

I just read your replies. My advice to you - don't go into the whole political wormhole of accusing the moderators of wanting to ban you for gender, race, ideology, whatever. This leads nowhere, and seems to me very untrue. First, I don't think anyone wants to ban you or delete your account/posts.

If anything, pay attention to the following:

Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-02, 12:23:
zb10948 wrote on 2025-03-02, 11:53:

It has to be some IBM Thinkpad.

Sabina as far as I can tell, you're not breaking any rules but your posts are hard to read. Add some paragraphs, and try to write with proper words (not U but you, etc...) because it's far easier to read.

So the hatred may be caused by non-formal way of writing,is Your opininon,that if I will write as if this was a newspaper,he will not hate me?

Nobody hates you, but if your posts are consistently hard to read, they may put off some participants.

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Reply 15 of 38, by bakemono

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It's so sad what happened to laptops over the last twenty years 🙁

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Reply 17 of 38, by Sabina_16bit.

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Thanks to everyone, who posted those beautiful photos,Kryten would sure think,it is a porn.web.
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Thanks also to everyone, who supported me in that Witch-process,the admin is running against me.
All except those 2,who attacked me,r invited to spent a gaming vacation with my Silicon Pets,as I call my computers.
Those,who had such a brave to risk Your own profiles by openly supporting me against an almighty admin,who can punish anyone,who supported me & who stood against his discriminative behavior,will also have free food during Your vacation.
The entry & gaming is always free,because of laws about freeware & abandonware & because I am a Vulcan-Hippie.
But for those,who openly supported me against that hatred attack of the admin risking,his hatred will be extended to You too,I will try to add the best foods of my menu for free for Your whole & every vacation.
Apologize to those,who was hurt by my tempting tendency to enjoy the amazing property of English, of how many words can be written by a single character.
I will try to not forget to not use the pub-English,but the official English,but I may forget.
For that I apologize in advance.
Maybe uselessly, because the local god so pissed me of & hurt me,that in those reactions to his attack I acted in the I Have Nothing to Lose,I Will be Deleted,so No Need to Watch My Words Anymore Mode,but I apologize to the others,not to that 2 aggressors,I regret,I by my reactions to Their attacks added another poison to their poison,which was sure unpleasant for all the innocent & peaceful members,but that I bite back the local "god", I do not regret,just maybe I should do that as PM to not poison it for others too.In case of those 2 aggressors I think,they should apologize to me & to all You others,as they caused a hard time for everyone else reading our conflict progress,instead of interesting IT data,but that will sure not happen,I still await deletion & if I would visit USA,I would await physical attack of these 2 persons,he will delete me,but I will stay myself & I already could advocate myself & the truth,it is a quite good end,that not everyone is against me,but only 2 persons & all others behave constructively & diplomatically & peacefully,I very appreciate that.
When I will be deleted,we may continue discussions by e-mail & if some compromise will be negotiated,the unwanted topics may be moved to e-mail discussion... as it is done by FreeDOS fans.
Live all (except the 2 aggressors) long & prosper.

Reply 18 of 38, by Shponglefan

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Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-02, 12:23:

So the hatred may be caused by non-formal way of writing,is Your opininon,that if I will write as if this was a newspaper,he will not hate me?

You're not the first person to get chastised for posting style here.

All internet forums tend to have unwritten norms in terms of posting style, behaviors, etc. It can take time to learn these things as a new user.

One of my first posts on VOGONS, I got chastised for posting in the wrong subforum. The key is not to take it personally, learn from it and move on.

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Reply 19 of 38, by Sabina_16bit.

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The worst downside of X40 is,it cannot boot from a CF card in PCMCIA,I wished to put DOS there not just a multiboot, but also as a backup OS for the case,the 1.8" HDD would die & I would not get a replacement.
The lack of Start button on IBM ThinkPads is,what I really like,when I am playing DOS games on Win32,You sure know,why.
On the other hand it is not very practical to not have Ctrl in lower left corner,because most of us is pressing it instinctively & await it there,so the unusual placement of Ctrl may get You into a pit...
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I am sure,he wants to destroy me,only thing,I can really do,is find some positive sides even on my deletion/ban...I will have more time for my machines,if I will not spent time on the forum.
He accussed me 1st,I just bite back,then he will click back & then game over for me.
& I am afraid, that political is not a wormhole, but a blackhole(or combination of these...like dialing P4W451,or was it P4W471?),I simly found no other reason for his hatred,thus I have my opinion,he hates me for my gender.
Yes,it leads nowhere, but if some nazi points a weapon on me & I know,I will sure die,my reaction will not be licking his boots & baging for my life,but tell him,he is an asshole,to not let him defeat me for free.
Anyone can defeat me,I am very weak,but why to give up for free?
U sure remember,how Japan people behaved in assured lose scenario,when U r sure about Your lose,it mess up the normal behavior a little,when I am on the end of my timeline,I stop care for the future,I I do not have 1,this is,what happened, I feel lost,thus I little poisoned his victory over me to not taste so good.
Not telling,it is an ideal reaction of assured lose situation, but what is?
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Yes,very sad,what happened to laptops,nowadays they looks like a 2 in 1 tablet.
But what I miss most on modern laptops,are upgrade doors,the last good laptop was the last with HDD door,RAM door & user-replacable battery.