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First post, by sfryers

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As I've got the house to myself this weekend, I thought I'd commandeer the dining room table and set up an XP-era home studio build using some parts I still have from the time, along with some more-recently acquired ones. This is the result:

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Background
I've always had something of a soft spot for the much-maligned P4 Netburst architecture, especially paired with RDRAM. Yes, it was an inefficient, overpriced dead-end architecture- but having had one as my daily driver for several years, I remember it being a fast and stable platform. When my student house got cleaned out during a burglary in mid-2002, as a responsible computer science student I used my entire insurance payout to build a bleeding-edge top-of-the line PC and didn't really miss the other stuff I'd lost. Based on the i850E chipset, the ASUS P4T533-C was one of only a handful of motherboards which supported the final form of RDRAM- the short-lived PC1066 version. This offered (at least on paper) better memory bandwith than any contemporary DDR configuration, but was soon rendered obsolete by the appearance of dual-channel DDR boards.

By 2004 I'd upgraded the 2.26GHZ CPU to a P4 3.06GHz HT- which I believe was the only Hyperthreading-capable CPU that could run on an RDRAM board. Along with a Creative Audigy and passively-cooled Gigabyte Silent-pipe 6600GT, it made a solid gaming and home studio PC for the next few years.

The ASUS board eventally failed during the late 2000s, almost certainly due to the dreaded capacitor plague, and I moved on to an AM3 system. Unfortunately, I must have thrown away the P4T533-C board as worthless junk, which is a shame because they're pretty much impossible to find these days. I did, however, keep hold of the 3.06GHz CPU and 4x256Mb PC1066 RDRAM modules. As an aside, the blue Chieftec Dragon tower case that I built that system in lives on 23 years later as the home for my daily driver Ryzen 9 system!

The new build
I came across my old RDRAM modules and CPU when my interest in retro computing started to grow a few years ago, and thought it would be fun to find a board for them. Turns out that working PC1066 boards are rather scarce these days! After hunting for a long time, it seemed that the only ones that ever came up for sale were Intel-produced OEM boards for the Dell Dimension 8250 workstation. So, after equivocating for a while about all the proprietary Dell nonsense involved, I eventually purchased one, followed by a suitable case for it to go in.

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The case is from a slightly older Dimension 8200 system, but all the mountings are compatible with the 8250 motherboard. There is some damage to the plastic cladding at the rear, but it's not that obvious after being glued. I've paired it with a matching Dell 17" CRT that I saved from being scrapped about 15 years ago. The case included a licence key sticker for Windows XP Home, so I've used that as the OS, along with the SP1a update.

Aside from all the unnecessary proprietary-ness, the Dell case is quite nice to work in. It's hinged vertically at the front and opens up like a clamshell, with the motherboard & PSU mounted on one half and the drive bays on the other. I get why many people don't like the 'plasticky' look of these, but I had a similar model on my desk at work for years so it has a certain familiar corporate charm for me.

This design is certainly from before the era of cable management- after adding the Audigy 2 front bay interface, there are no less than 5 ribbon cables in there!

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PC specification

  • Dell Dimension 8200 case
  • Dell Dimension 8250 motherboard with socket 478, Intel 850E chipset, 1 AGP 4x and 4 PCI slots.
  • Northwood P4 3.06 GHz with Hyperthreading Technology
  • 1GB (4x256Mb) Samsung PC1066 RDRAM
  • 160GB IDE HDD
  • ATI Radeon 9200
  • Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum PCI sound card
  • Turtle Beach Santa Cruz PCI sound card
  • IDE CD-RW drive
  • 3.5" FDD
  • Dell OEM rubber dome USB keyboard
  • Labtec USB/PS2 optical mouse
  • Windows XP Home SP1a

Home Studio equipment

  • EDIROL UR-80 - a multi-function USB audio interface, MIDI interface and control surface. I bought this new, bundled with Cakewalk SONAR 3 Studio in 2004.
  • M-Audio Oxygen 8 - a 2-octave MIDI/USB keyboard controller
  • Presonus Eris 3.5 powered stereo speakers - the only new part of this build, in fact the only part newer than 20 years old.
  • Line 6 POD XT - a guitar amp simulator and effects unit that I've had for over 10 years. It has MIDI and USB audio interface functionality which I'd never used until now.
  • Roland JV-1010 MIDI synthesiser module - a shunken-down half-rack version of the legendary JV-1080 rompler.
  • Roland MT-32 - because why not? 😀

In use
My memories of this being a capable mid-2000s DAW platform are very accurate. It runs 16-track 48kHz audio in SONAR 3 Studio Edition, including digital effects, at very low latencies without so much as a hitch. Hyperthreading does actually give an impressive performance boost- with HT disabled it struggles to run complex projects without glitching. The low-power fanless GPU and Dell thermal design (one large rear case fan ducted straight to the CPU heatsink, plus a smaller fan on the PSU) makes for a surprisingly quiet and cool-running system. Driven by the Radeon, the Trinitron-based monitor is sharp at 1360x1024, which gives plenty of resolution for the DAW software. The 85Hz refresh rate is easy on the eyes, aside from the small text size!

I've been having lots of fun listening to my old recordings, as well as making some new ones. Shame I'll have to pack it all away again on Monday night. If I ever find the space to make this a permanent set-up, I think the only change I'd make would be to use a 1080p flat panel. With this many devices, the CRT takes up a lot of valuable desktop real-estate. It's also not ideal when recording guitar due to CRT noise being audible through the instrument's magnetic pickups.

MT-32 Editor- a timbre editor and patch librarian for Roland MT-32 compatible devices: https://github.com/sfryers/MT32Editor

Reply 1 of 8, by chinny22

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Gotta make use of those rare weekned alone days!
I had the same case on a Precision 650 and agree the case is surprisingly nice to work with. I'm still not sure I liked the plastic-ness of it but have to admit it was well built.
Never had a RD RAM system. Its uniqueness does interest me though.
Pairing with the Dell CRT and keyboard is nice touch, although I never really liked those keyboards. Shame as their Pentium 3 Quiet key keyboards were VERY nice

Reply 2 of 8, by Errius

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The only difference between the Dimension 8200 and 8250 appears to be the rear connectors (latter has Ethernet and more USB ports). Can anyone confirm?

These Tehama systems are also nostalgic for me because I built a similar rig for myself in 2001-2. I paired mine with 19" Lacie CRT monitor which was a colossal beast.

Is this too much voodoo?

Reply 3 of 8, by sfryers

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Errius wrote on 2025-03-24, 07:48:

The only difference between the Dimension 8200 and 8250 appears to be the rear connectors (latter has Ethernet and more USB ports). Can anyone confirm?

This case did actually come as part of a mostly-complete system, with the original motherboard, a badly artifacting Geforce 3 Ti500, PCI SCSI and Firewire cards, along with a Turtle Beach sound card that I kept in the final build.

The difference between the two motherboards is as follows:

The Dimension 8200, pictured below, has an i850 chipset with FSB400 and PC800 RDRAM support. Mine came with a weedy 1.6Ghz Willamette P4, but it should take any FSB400 Socket 478 CPU up to a 2.8GHz Northwood. The rear I/O is very basic, with no onboard sound and only 2 USB ports (which I think are only USB 1.1 compliant). Interestingly, the bottom section of the board including the last two PCI slots appears to be detachable- presumably for configurations using a smaller form factor case.

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The Dimension 8250 has the faster i850E chipset, with FSB533 and PC1066 RDRAM support. The rear I/O panel is much better equipped, with 10/100 ethernet, 3 x 3.5mm sockets for the onboard sound and 6 USB ports (2 USB 1.1, 4 USB 2.0).

MT-32 Editor- a timbre editor and patch librarian for Roland MT-32 compatible devices: https://github.com/sfryers/MT32Editor

Reply 4 of 8, by scj312

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Very nice! I have a soft spot for these--my main XP machine is an 8250 I've equipped with 1.5 GB PC1066, a 2.8 GHz P4, and a GeForce 7800 GS. My rear IO does not include onboard sound, but my system came with an Audigy2, so that is understandable.

Back in the day I used to think the plastic-y case felt very fragile. Joke's on me, however, as it really seems like these were built quite well!

How does the Dell cooler handle your 3.06 GHz P4 HT? I was concerned about going higher than 2.8 on mine, especially since there is no temperature monitoring on this system.

Reply 5 of 8, by sfryers

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scj312 wrote on 2025-03-24, 15:19:

How does the Dell cooler handle your 3.06 GHz P4 HT? I was concerned about going higher than 2.8 on mine, especially since there is no temperature monitoring on this system.

After running it pretty much all weekend, it's been absolutely rock solid, although I've not opened up the case to check temperatures. The large ducted fan in the rear of the case has a thermistor in it- I only heard it speed up slightly a few times after a long period of heavy CPU usage. That said, I'm sure it helps to be using a low-power GPU that barely gets warm to the touch.

MT-32 Editor- a timbre editor and patch librarian for Roland MT-32 compatible devices: https://github.com/sfryers/MT32Editor

Reply 6 of 8, by GrkDrewsky7170

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I'm willing to bet the Leto brothers used something similar to produce the first Thirty Seconds to Mars album... you can hear POD guitars all over it! Anyways, growing up a huge MIDI fan - having a PC with either an LAPC-I, SC-55, or AWE32 in some shape or form. As a young kid, I was huge on in-game music. I wanted better quality MIDI music over graphics. Very nice build, my friend. My inner child is going nuts and wanting to play with this rig. And I'm sure you already know - POD XTs still sound amazing, try turning off the onboard cab sims and use it with IRs - results may surprise you! I currently use a Helix, my first piece of Line 6 gear, though have been playing modelers for quite some time. I'll say this - if I had this as a teenager in the early 2000s, I could have died happy.

Reply 7 of 8, by sfryers

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GrkDrewsky7170 wrote on 2025-04-01, 05:10:

I'm willing to bet the Leto brothers used something similar to produce the first Thirty Seconds to Mars album... you can hear POD guitars all over it! Anyways, growing up a huge MIDI fan - having a PC with either an LAPC-I, SC-55, or AWE32 in some shape or form. As a young kid, I was huge on in-game music. I wanted better quality MIDI music over graphics. Very nice build, my friend. My inner child is going nuts and wanting to play with this rig. And I'm sure you already know - POD XTs still sound amazing, try turning off the onboard cab sims and use it with IRs - results may surprise you! I currently use a Helix, my first piece of Line 6 gear, though have been playing modelers for quite some time. I'll say this - if I had this as a teenager in the early 2000s, I could have died happy.

Thanks! Now if only I had the musical talent to do this setup justice... 😀

MT-32 Editor- a timbre editor and patch librarian for Roland MT-32 compatible devices: https://github.com/sfryers/MT32Editor

Reply 8 of 8, by GrkDrewsky7170

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sfryers wrote on 2025-04-05, 10:07:
GrkDrewsky7170 wrote on 2025-04-01, 05:10:

I'm willing to bet the Leto brothers used something similar to produce the first Thirty Seconds to Mars album... you can hear POD guitars all over it! Anyways, growing up a huge MIDI fan - having a PC with either an LAPC-I, SC-55, or AWE32 in some shape or form. As a young kid, I was huge on in-game music. I wanted better quality MIDI music over graphics. Very nice build, my friend. My inner child is going nuts and wanting to play with this rig. And I'm sure you already know - POD XTs still sound amazing, try turning off the onboard cab sims and use it with IRs - results may surprise you! I currently use a Helix, my first piece of Line 6 gear, though have been playing modelers for quite some time. I'll say this - if I had this as a teenager in the early 2000s, I could have died happy.

Thanks! Now if only I had the musical talent to do this setup justice... 😀

Well... I can help with that. Or at least try 😜