Terrible, got worse recently. I was looking at 7900 XTX a while back and you could get models for just under 900EUR. Now they got for ~1000. Keep in mind, these are 2 year old cards.

GTX 5070ti goes for ~950 and RX 9070 XT for ~900. RTX 5090 starts at 3500EUR.

I paid 800 for my 3070ti and that was COVID/Crypto-bubble prices.

Too much for my taste.

In 2019 I wanted to upgrade from GTX660Ti to 1060 6GB (used) and 120€ was too much. Fast forward 2-3 years and I bought it in 2022 for 240€ 🤣 And what is the worst I never even played any game since...

Now I'd buy something like 3070Ti but used go for about 300€. A month ago you could get it for 250€. But since I don't play games there's no real need to get rid of 1060.

Munx wrote on 2025-03-24, 16:50:

Terrible, got worse recently. I was looking at 7900 XTX a while back and you could get models for just under 900EUR. Now they got for ~1000. Keep in mind, these are 2 year old cards.

GTX 5070ti goes for ~950 and RX 9070 XT for ~900. RTX 5090 starts at 3500EUR.

I paid 800 for my 3070ti and that was COVID/Crypto-bubble prices.

The AMD 7000 series is surprisingly lower cost here. I think a 7900GRE costed 450USD here, but 9070XT is overpriced

The RX5090 here in the US goes for around $4500 USB, some more, some less. So, about 385K Rupee?

Yeah, CRAZY prices. This is why I don't buy top-tier current gen cards anymore. The last time I bought a "top tier" card was back when the AMD R290X dropped, but back them they were a lot cheaper and were still mid-tier compared to Nvidia at the time.

My current RX 6600 isn't going to hold a candle to the much more expensive big boys, but at just $220 USD (about 19K Rupee), it absolutely kills at 1080P in all the games I play. Even has entry level Ray Tracing. 😜

StriderTR wrote on 2025-03-24, 20:28:

My current RX 6600 isn't going to hold a candle to the much more expensive big boys, but at just $220 USD (about 19K Rupee), it absolutely kills at 1080P in all the games I play. Even has entry level Ray Tracing. 😜

About on ray tracing, I saw some driver modders hack-in Ray Tracing to even older AMD cards (RX 5000 and RX 500 at least), I wonder how long they will last in RT, but I don't see the major point in doing it

Whats hurts even more is that even if you buy a flagship card, you will still have to use AI upscaling and fake frames to keep modern games playable, which is ridiculous.

The HL2 RTX remix is the biggest culprit. Despite requiring to AI-slopify the image to make it playable even on high-end cards, it still does not look better than HL Alyx, which runs on 10 year old hardware and in VR no less.

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-03-24, 20:53:

StriderTR wrote on 2025-03-24, 20:28:

My current RX 6600 isn't going to hold a candle to the much more expensive big boys, but at just $220 USD (about 19K Rupee), it absolutely kills at 1080P in all the games I play. Even has entry level Ray Tracing. 😜

About on ray tracing, I saw some driver modders hack-in Ray Tracing to even older AMD cards (RX 5000 and RX 500 at least), I wonder how long they will last in RT, but I don't see the major point in doing it

Yeah. As the tech progresses, it will get a lot "cheaper" to do and become commonplace I think. Similar to what Ageia PhysX did back in the early 2000's. Nvidia bought it and locked it down for several years, but eventually, the tech and it's competition evolved to the point physics was so cheap to do it's no big deal anymore, and physics is incorporated into just about everything now.

Munx wrote on 2025-03-24, 21:33:

Whats hurts even more is that even if you buy a flagship card, you will still have to use AI upscaling and fake frames to keep modern games playable, which is ridiculous.

The HL2 RTX remix is the biggest culprit. Despite requiring to AI-slopify the image to make it playable even on high-end cards, it still does not look better than HL Alyx, which runs on 10 year old hardware and in VR no less.

Yeah. Call me old school, but I'm not a fan of frame generation or DLSS. AI generated "filler frames" and upscaling in real time sound cool, but it's painfully noticeable. I'll stick to my real frames thanks.

I don't need maxed out "eye candy" to enjoy a game. I will happily turn down settings to get the frames I want. 😜

WTF?

https://www.mlacom.si/komponente/graficne-kar … raficna-kartica

Did anyone click that? What's the catch? This one shop sells RTX 5090 for over 11000€ !!!

StriderTR wrote on 2025-03-24, 22:12:

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BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-03-24, 20:53:

StriderTR wrote on 2025-03-24, 20:28:

My current RX 6600 isn't going to hold a candle to the much more expensive big boys, but at just $220 USD (about 19K Rupee), it absolutely kills at 1080P in all the games I play. Even has entry level Ray Tracing. 😜

About on ray tracing, I saw some driver modders hack-in Ray Tracing to even older AMD cards (RX 5000 and RX 500 at least), I wonder how long they will last in RT, but I don't see the major point in doing it

Yeah. As the tech progresses, it will get a lot "cheaper" to do and become commonplace I think. Similar to what Ageia PhysX did back in the early 2000's. Nvidia bought it and locked it down for several years, but eventually, the tech and it's competition evolved to the point physics was so cheap to do it's no big deal anymore, and physics is incorporated into just about everything now.

Munx wrote on 2025-03-24, 21:33:

Whats hurts even more is that even if you buy a flagship card, you will still have to use AI upscaling and fake frames to keep modern games playable, which is ridiculous.

The HL2 RTX remix is the biggest culprit. Despite requiring to AI-slopify the image to make it playable even on high-end cards, it still does not look better than HL Alyx, which runs on 10 year old hardware and in VR no less.

Yeah. Call me old school, but I'm not a fan of frame generation or DLSS. AI generated "filler frames" and upscaling in real time sound cool, but it's painfully noticeable. I'll stick to my real frames thanks.

I don't need maxed out "eye candy" to enjoy a game. I will happily turn down settings to get the frames I want. 😜

Physx isn't in everything since its still locked down to nVidia GPUs, what I think you are referring to is Havok physics which is hardware agnostic and IIRC is owned by Valve, this version can be done on the CPU with little issue. (Its not terribly accurate, more accurate Physics needs expensive as hell software along with a high end GPU)

With the release of the 5000 series RTX GPUs nvidia deprecated 32bit Physx which is used in pretty much every game that does support Physx, the result .. games that try to use Physx drop to single digit frame rates as the hardware based Physx now has to be done on the CPU as the GPU cannot do it...CPUs are fucking terrible at hardware Physx.

So if you actually want to use 32bit Physx you now require a second nVidia GPU that isnt a 5000 series one, nVidia didnt even bother to throw a translation layer in place to allow the 32bit Physx to be done via the 64bit functions.

Bunch of cheap bastards..

UCyborg wrote on 2025-03-25, 07:39:

Did anyone click that? What's the catch? This one shop sells RTX 5090 for over 11000€ !!!

Yeah, about $12,300 for a 5090....absolute madness. I thought the prices here in the US were bonkers. 😜

Either they are crazy, or are things really that high in your neck of the woods?

The 5090 here is about 6200 AUD on average .. however you cant actually buy one since there is no stock.
The 5080 is about 2800 AUD on average .. again little to no stock
The 9070 XT is about 1200 on average with reasonable stock
The 9070 is 1000 AUD with good stock levels
or
You can buy a Arc B580 for 500 AUD and it'll still handle everything at 1440p with little issue.

Trashbytes wrote on 2025-03-25, 08:01:

Physx isn't in everything since its still locked down to nVidia GPUs, what I think you are referring to is Havok physics which i […]
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Physx isn't in everything since its still locked down to nVidia GPUs, what I think you are referring to is Havok physics which is hardware agnostic and IIRC is owned by Valve, this version can be done on the CPU with little issue. (Its not terribly accurate, more accurate Physics needs expensive as hell software along with a high end GPU)

With the release of the 5000 series RTX GPUs nvidia deprecated 32bit Physx which is used in pretty much every game that does support Physx, the result .. games that try to use Physx drop to single digit frame rates as the hardware based Physx now has to be done on the CPU as the GPU cannot do it...CPUs are fucking terrible at hardware Physx.

So if you actually want to use 32bit Physx you now require a second nVidia GPU that isnt a 5000 series one, nVidia didnt even bother to throw a translation layer in place to allow the 32bit Physx to be done via the 64bit functions.

Bunch of cheap bastards..

Yeah, what I meant was physics in general is now incorporated in many big game engines, all but eliminating the need for proprietary dedicated engines like PhysX. Also, like you mentioned, Havok is out there too.

On a side note. I used to run a dual AMD/Nvidia setup. Radeon 290X with a GT 640 as a dedicated PhysX processor. Worked like a charm in the few games I actually used it in. Setup didn't last long, pulled the GT 640 when I had my fun and dropped in a second 290X. That bad boy kept my room nice and warm. 😜

StriderTR wrote on 2025-03-25, 08:15:

Trashbytes wrote on 2025-03-25, 08:01:

Physx isn't in everything since its still locked down to nVidia GPUs, what I think you are referring to is Havok physics which i […]
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Physx isn't in everything since its still locked down to nVidia GPUs, what I think you are referring to is Havok physics which is hardware agnostic and IIRC is owned by Valve, this version can be done on the CPU with little issue. (Its not terribly accurate, more accurate Physics needs expensive as hell software along with a high end GPU)

With the release of the 5000 series RTX GPUs nvidia deprecated 32bit Physx which is used in pretty much every game that does support Physx, the result .. games that try to use Physx drop to single digit frame rates as the hardware based Physx now has to be done on the CPU as the GPU cannot do it...CPUs are fucking terrible at hardware Physx.

So if you actually want to use 32bit Physx you now require a second nVidia GPU that isnt a 5000 series one, nVidia didnt even bother to throw a translation layer in place to allow the 32bit Physx to be done via the 64bit functions.

Bunch of cheap bastards..

Yeah, what I meant was physics in general is now incorporated in many big game engines, all but eliminating the need for proprietary dedicated engines like PhysX. Also, like you mentioned, Havok is out there too.

On a side note. I used to run a dual AMD/Nvidia setup. Radeon 290X with a GT 640 as a dedicated PhysX processor. Worked like a charm in the few games I actually used it in. Setup didn't last long, pulled the GT 640 when I had my fun and dropped in a second 290X. That bad boy kept my room nice and warm. 😜

Yeah, that said . .Havok is pretty basic as far as Physics goes, it cant do half the stuff Physx can but its better than nothing.

StriderTR wrote on 2025-03-25, 08:04:

Yeah, about $12,300 for a 5090....absolute madness. I thought the prices here in the US were bonkers. 😜

Either they are crazy, or are things really that high in your neck of the woods?

I only noticed this one particular shop selling that specific model for that price, their other RTX 5090 are cheaper.

https://www.mlacom.si/search?q=rtx%205090&fse … sort=price_desc

UCyborg wrote on 2025-03-25, 08:48:

StriderTR wrote on 2025-03-25, 08:04:

Yeah, about $12,300 for a 5090....absolute madness. I thought the prices here in the US were bonkers. 😜

Either they are crazy, or are things really that high in your neck of the woods?

I only noticed this one particular shop selling that specific model for that price, their other RTX 5090 are cheaper.

https://www.mlacom.si/search?q=rtx%205090&fse … sort=price_desc

The RTX 5070 Ti is still pretty depressing to watch here

I hadn't paid attention to GPU prices for the past couple years and holy crap, cannot believe that RTX 5090 are between $3200 to $4200 CAD ($2200 to $2900 USD).

I am now praying my 3080Ti doesn't die any time soon.

Do developers still use PhysX? Even in the older times, it didn't seem often used. Although looking at the list on PCGW, guess I wasn't playing many games that have it.

I played a bit of Singularity, didn't know it has PhysX. Honestly, the only that game stays in my memory that has it is Mafia II. And that's already 15 years old... Another game I recognize is Hatred...what, that uses it too? If my memory is correct, Terminator: Salvation loads that library too, it's not on the list and I'm not sure it adds much, if anything to the game.

Shponglefan wrote on 2025-03-25, 19:28:

I hadn't paid attention to GPU prices for the past couple years and holy crap, cannot believe that RTX 5090 are between $3200 to $4200 CAD ($2200 to $2900 USD).

Same, but then I don't play games much anymore and even then it's mostly old stuff and with the last newer game, it was not demanding kind. So my GTX 750 Ti doesn't have much work other than compositing Windows desktop and web pages.