Now, if you still own a VCR and have an otherwise useless lump of plastic as a monitor riser, you could stick that under your monitor if it's one of the ones that will give you composite video out, from the RF in. It may even give you some form of component, which may or may not be better. Then what you might be able to do with that is use it with a VIVO input on one of the nVidia cards... if you can actually find out if they do the VI part, VIVO term got really abused and cards with output only got said to have VIVO. Just that a 5000 series will be better for DOS and early DX than the AIW would be.

Elsewise the AIW looks like best bet, though would have some deficiencies in DOS, impairing the enjoyment of a handful of games, and in DX3 thru DX5, some DX6 some weird looking rendering, may or may not be tweakable to less noticeable depending on game.

Standalone capture cards, there was a bit of a fad for around 98/99/00 so there were a bunch around that worked with 98. Avermedia AverTV, ATI TV Wonder, Compro made some, you will find ppl thinking they are gold and pricing them stupid, but in the main, they are in the "worth so little that nobody bothers listing them" category.

BitWrangler wrote on 2025-04-05, 13:25:

Now, if you still own a VCR and have an otherwise useless lump of plastic as a monitor riser, you could stick that under your monitor if it's one of the ones that will give you composite video out, from the RF in. It may even give you some form of component, which may or may not be better. Then what you might be able to do with that is use it with a VIVO input on one of the nVidia cards... if you can actually find out if they do the VI part, VIVO term got really abused and cards with output only got said to have VIVO. Just that a 5000 series will be better for DOS and early DX than the AIW would be.

Elsewise the AIW looks like best bet, though would have some deficiencies in DOS, impairing the enjoyment of a handful of games, and in DX3 thru DX5, some DX6 some weird looking rendering, may or may not be tweakable to less noticeable depending on game.

Standalone capture cards, there was a bit of a fad for around 98/99/00 so there were a bunch around that worked with 98. Avermedia AverTV, ATI TV Wonder, Compro made some, you will find ppl thinking they are gold and pricing them stupid, but in the main, they are in the "worth so little that nobody bothers listing them" category.

Yep they do seem to ask daft prices for what is pretty much dead tech. I have a specific case use. But sod paying new card prices for 25yo used unknown quantities, Thing is I have a perfectly functional boxed Hauppauge WinTV card, but its the Nova-T-500 so dual DVB-T so no use. I can find the earlier Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150 Pal which DO have Win 98 drivers apparently, but none ever have the remote and the other cables.

Does anyone know if the remote for the Nova-T-500 can be used with the Analogue PVR-150 card? looks the same in images. but without seeing a up close image of the part number, its an unknown.

It looks like a lot of modern TVs can still tune analog, just looked up a smart one that stall has it
You can probably use the cards without a remote, especially as you won't be channel hopping

im not sure about modern tvs, but should be easy enough to find an older lcd with digital & analog on gumtree in the uk, as for tv cards stick with a hauppage/win-tv card any other cards you wont find drivers for even if they are known brands like pinnacle or philips, i used a win-tv card years back to record some old vhs through RF it was a non dvb one, think i was using win m.e at the time so drivers should work on 98, you dont need a remote to use it, i never had one. ive got a couple of other digital cards i picked up years ago with remotes but both missing the IR receiver.

theres this driver here "WinTV-NOVA-TD-500_Driver_3_11_31107.exe"
https://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/support/supp … ll.html?prod=30
i opened the .exe with winrar and the txt file mentions the OS version is, "VOS_DOS_WINDOWS16" so should be 98 compatible.

DudeFace wrote on 2025-04-05, 21:14:

im not sure about modern tvs, but should be easy enough to find an older lcd with digital & analog on gumtree in the uk, as for […]
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im not sure about modern tvs, but should be easy enough to find an older lcd with digital & analog on gumtree in the uk, as for tv cards stick with a hauppage/win-tv card any other cards you wont find drivers for even if they are known brands like pinnacle or philips, i used a win-tv card years back to record some old vhs through RF it was a non dvb one, think i was using win m.e at the time so drivers should work on 98, you dont need a remote to use it, i never had one. ive got a couple of other digital cards i picked up years ago with remotes but both missing the IR receiver.

theres this driver here "WinTV-NOVA-TD-500_Driver_3_11_31107.exe"
https://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/support/supp … ll.html?prod=30
i opened the .exe with winrar and the txt file mentions the OS version is, "VOS_DOS_WINDOWS16" so should be 98 compatible.

Hmmm the WinTV Nova-T cards are definitely DVB Digital.. I have one boxed I bought new in about 2003/4 for Win XP Media Centre. I need one of the earlier PVR Range. The 150 is definitely in the 98 era. And support PAL-I the old UK pre digital standards.

As for using a modern TV, I've a Sony circa 2014 Bravia, A 2023 LG Nanocell Smart TV and a cheap 16" Chinese no name TV, all have antenna sockets, but none can tune in these old RF modulated computers as the signal from them is very weak, has no real back porch portion of the frequency. And the tuning on auto isn't fine grained enough to latch on to what they output. They weren't good back in the day and 44yrs or so later it hasn't improved any. A bit like myself!

Cerberus73 wrote on 2025-04-05, 21:40:

DudeFace wrote on 2025-04-05, 21:14:

im not sure about modern tvs, but should be easy enough to find an older lcd with digital & analog on gumtree in the uk, as for […]
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im not sure about modern tvs, but should be easy enough to find an older lcd with digital & analog on gumtree in the uk, as for tv cards stick with a hauppage/win-tv card any other cards you wont find drivers for even if they are known brands like pinnacle or philips, i used a win-tv card years back to record some old vhs through RF it was a non dvb one, think i was using win m.e at the time so drivers should work on 98, you dont need a remote to use it, i never had one. ive got a couple of other digital cards i picked up years ago with remotes but both missing the IR receiver.

theres this driver here "WinTV-NOVA-TD-500_Driver_3_11_31107.exe"
https://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/support/supp … ll.html?prod=30
i opened the .exe with winrar and the txt file mentions the OS version is, "VOS_DOS_WINDOWS16" so should be 98 compatible.

Hmmm the WinTV Nova-T cards are definitely DVB Digital.. I have one boxed I bought new in about 2003/4 for Win XP Media Centre. I need one of the earlier PVR Range. The 150 is definitely in the 98 era. And support PAL-I the old UK pre digital standards.

As for using a modern TV, I've a Sony circa 2014 Bravia, A 2023 LG Nanocell Smart TV and a cheap 16" Chinese no name TV, all have antenna sockets, but none can tune in these old RF modulated computers as the signal from them is very weak, has no real back porch portion of the frequency. And the tuning on auto isn't fine grained enough to latch on to what they output. They weren't good back in the day and 44yrs or so later it hasn't improved any. A bit like myself!

im also in the uk, if you bought your dvb card around 2003/4 it should also support analog and be old enough for 98 support (my first card was from around the same time but analog only), we were still using analog broadcasts until at least 2007/2008 as far as i remember probably later, also im not sure if channels were being broadcast in digital back in 2003/4 so the card not having analog support wouldnt make sense,

also dont do auto tuning, same on your tv, do it manually as it will probably look for tv stations which now dont exist, and skip past your speccy's RF input, ive got a bravia from 2007 (stil working) and the sure way to tell if your tv supports analog is on the remote/av button you have TV and DTV on different inputs, if it only has digital its not gonna pick up your analog signal, pretty sure my 2013 LG also has analog as well,

the driver i linked does have win9x support as indicated in the .txt file inside the .exe, just depends on whether it supports your exact model of card.

Long ago I remember reading about an independent driver somebody made for some Brooktree chips used on many TV tuner cards. It was supposed to be better than the original drivers many BT based cards came with.
I think this was probably the project:
https://btwincap.sourceforge.net/
If you see a card with one of those chips (BT848, BT878) then apparently this driver should work with it in Win98SE, but it doesn't automatically work with every card. That site has a section talking about how to get it working with a card that's not automatically detected, but that procedure requires having the original driver from the card.

Matth79 wrote on 2025-04-05, 16:29:

You can probably use the cards without a remote, especially as you won't be channel hopping

I am not sure why the remote is a requirement either. Usually the supplied (downloaded with drivers) software will have onscreen or toolbar controls. If it's critical to have volume/mute available 20ft away or something, then modern wireless mouse usually do that far and you can use the onscreen .

BitWrangler wrote on 2025-04-06, 04:43:

Matth79 wrote on 2025-04-05, 16:29:

You can probably use the cards without a remote, especially as you won't be channel hopping

I am not sure why the remote is a requirement either. Usually the supplied (downloaded with drivers) software will have onscreen or toolbar controls. If it's critical to have volume/mute available 20ft away or something, then modern wireless mouse usually do that far and you can use the onscreen .

Ah, i just like to have everything working and with all its do-dads. I'm pernickety that way.

I picked up a WinTV PVR-350 unused card on the dreaded evilbay for the princely sum of around £5 after the new protection fee crap they are adding onto the purchase price. this came with the remote and IR sensor, no S-Video/AV cable though.. shame. they didn't know which WinTV card it was, so I kinda lucked out with it being one of the higher end ones for that era. (2002)

It seems it also supports 98/2000/XP. and managed to get the drivers/install disk from the IA

Cerberus73 wrote on 2025-04-10, 15:13:

Ah, i just like to have everything working and with all its do-dads. I'm pernickety that way. […]
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BitWrangler wrote on 2025-04-06, 04:43:

Matth79 wrote on 2025-04-05, 16:29:

You can probably use the cards without a remote, especially as you won't be channel hopping

I am not sure why the remote is a requirement either. Usually the supplied (downloaded with drivers) software will have onscreen or toolbar controls. If it's critical to have volume/mute available 20ft away or something, then modern wireless mouse usually do that far and you can use the onscreen .

Ah, i just like to have everything working and with all its do-dads. I'm pernickety that way.

I picked up a WinTV PVR-350 unused card on the dreaded evilbay for the princely sum of around £5 after the new protection fee crap they are adding onto the purchase price. this came with the remote and IR sensor, no S-Video/AV cable though.. shame. they didn't know which WinTV card it was, so I kinda lucked out with it being one of the higher end ones for that era. (2002)

It seems it also supports 98/2000/XP. and managed to get the drivers/install disk from the IA

Right, nice to have the whole enchilada. However, I will make a note for later readers that some cards came "remote optional" so it will sometimes be the case that it's not the remote that's missing, so much as it never had one. The cards for which this occurred often had the remote and sensor package priced nearly as high as just the card, while cards that bundled it already were only 10 or 2o more, so as you may guess, not many additional remote upgrades were sold.

The 9800 AiW should work in Win98.
I know the original Radeon AiW worked with Win98 because I remember recording Red Dwarf off UK Gold using one back in the early 2000s.

I know the MM100PCTV worked as an analogue TV card with Win98 too as I used that too. I still have all the drivers for it 98, 2k, XP. It was good as coax input from a NES back in the day when I remember not having an actual TV to play my NES and SNES on. You can pick them up for buttons on ebay now as they are basically only good for what you want to do.

Dont forget the Hauppage software needs the CD key. At least mine does. But as I use them as an MCE tuner I dont use the software bundled with the card.

shamino wrote on 2025-04-06, 04:05:

Long ago I remember reading about an independent driver somebody made for some Brooktree chips used on many TV tuner cards. It […]
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Long ago I remember reading about an independent driver somebody made for some Brooktree chips used on many TV tuner cards. It was supposed to be better than the original drivers many BT based cards came with.
I think this was probably the project:
https://btwincap.sourceforge.net/
If you see a card with one of those chips (BT848, BT878) then apparently this driver should work with it in Win98SE, but it doesn't automatically work with every card. That site has a section talking about how to get it working with a card that's not automatically detected, but that procedure requires having the original driver from the card.

Sure you don't mean Dscaler?

That was what I used when still interested in analog TV a couple of decades ago. It definitely supported Bt8xx chips and definitely didn't support AIW. Not sure about Philips SAxxx chips though...

I used dscaler with the MM100PCTV card.