Trashbytes wrote on 2025-03-05, 06:46:

Not bought today but a 3060ti and X570 motherboard combo I bought very recently just set itself on fire, took the poor thing apa […]
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Not bought today but a 3060ti and X570 motherboard combo I bought very recently just set itself on fire, took the poor thing apart to find the 3060 has committed sepuku and taken the X570 board with it.

From the looks of it the small power connector on the PCIe finger has melted through to the ground plane, if there was caps there they are also no more, made quite a mess of the fingers too and the slot on the motherboard was melted, it also toasted the BIOS battery and associated SMDs that sit next to the PCIe slot. (VRM is also next to the PCIe slot ...)

Haven't tested the CPU and Ram yet nor the PSU but considering the amount of power the GPU let lose and damage done I'm expecting PSU to have sacrificed itself stopping the power surge. The GPU was in use when it happened playing APEX so yeah .. it was quite the light and smoke show.

Im not expecting the CPU or ram to have survived the show but I wont know till I test them on another board.

Damn house now stinks of magic smoke.

That sucks big time. Melting power connectors have been a thing for a few years now.

It happens a lot with 4090s, a very costly magic smoke machine.

Nexxen wrote on 2025-03-05, 10:57:

Trashbytes wrote on 2025-03-05, 06:46:

Not bought today but a 3060ti and X570 motherboard combo I bought very recently just set itself on fire, took the poor thing apa […]
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Not bought today but a 3060ti and X570 motherboard combo I bought very recently just set itself on fire, took the poor thing apart to find the 3060 has committed sepuku and taken the X570 board with it.

From the looks of it the small power connector on the PCIe finger has melted through to the ground plane, if there was caps there they are also no more, made quite a mess of the fingers too and the slot on the motherboard was melted, it also toasted the BIOS battery and associated SMDs that sit next to the PCIe slot. (VRM is also next to the PCIe slot ...)

Haven't tested the CPU and Ram yet nor the PSU but considering the amount of power the GPU let lose and damage done I'm expecting PSU to have sacrificed itself stopping the power surge. The GPU was in use when it happened playing APEX so yeah .. it was quite the light and smoke show.

Im not expecting the CPU or ram to have survived the show but I wont know till I test them on another board.

Damn house now stinks of magic smoke.

That sucks big time. Melting power connectors have been a thing for a few years now.

It happens a lot with 4090s, a very costly magic smoke machine.

Not a PCIe power connector but the actual small power delivery finger part of the PCIe edge connector, made a mess of it and has burned it through to the ground plane of the GPU, also melted the smaller part of the PCIe slot.

I have a 4090 and so long as you make 100% sure the connector is fully plugged in and secure you are good to go. I got one of the better models that has a very solid support bracket built into the card but I still put a support in for the far end of the card as its freaking heavy. I also have a small utility that monitors the power draw of the GPU and can alert me if it starts transient spiking and drawing past its power limits, I find it amusing that nVidia allows it to do that since power limits are there for a reason.

Im going to be honest here .. I dont actually use the 4090 rig as my daily driver, I use a X299 rig with a Arc B580 in it. I found the 4090 rig simply pumps out too much heat if I run it 24/7 like I do my x299 machine.

So the 4090 spends most of its time turned off till I want to stream a game from it that requires the GPU grunt of the 4090 .. which isn't too many games. The B580 is actually a very solid GPU and handles nearly everything I throw at it while being quieter and producing less heat.

Perhaps I really am getting old since I now regret buying the 4090 as its simply overkill.

Trashbytes wrote on 2025-03-05, 11:14:

Perhaps I really am getting old since I now regret buying the 4090 as its simply overkill.

nothing lost, you can always sell it

robertmo3 wrote on 2025-03-05, 11:48:

Trashbytes wrote on 2025-03-05, 11:14:

Perhaps I really am getting old since I now regret buying the 4090 as its simply overkill.

nothing lost, you can always sell it

I could and right now I suspect I would get more for it than I originally paid for it since the 5090 is vaporware and nvidia balled the release up with hardware issues.

But knowing me I will likely hold on to it as itll be the last nvidia card I buy, I find the Intel GPUs to be really nice cards and I can see myself sticking with them, their GPU department could use the support.

I really want to see how the B580 performs under Linux, not even sure if Intel has official Linux drivers yet.

Trashbytes wrote on 2025-03-05, 06:46:

Not bought today but a 3060ti and X570 motherboard combo I bought very recently just set itself on fire, took the poor thing apa […]
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Not bought today but a 3060ti and X570 motherboard combo I bought very recently just set itself on fire, took the poor thing apart to find the 3060 has committed sepuku and taken the X570 board with it.

From the looks of it the small power connector on the PCIe finger has melted through to the ground plane, if there was caps there they are also no more, made quite a mess of the fingers too and the slot on the motherboard was melted, it also toasted the BIOS battery and associated SMDs that sit next to the PCIe slot. (VRM is also next to the PCIe slot ...)

Haven't tested the CPU and Ram yet nor the PSU but considering the amount of power the GPU let lose and damage done I'm expecting PSU to have sacrificed itself stopping the power surge. The GPU was in use when it happened playing APEX so yeah .. it was quite the light and smoke show.

Im not expecting the CPU or ram to have survived the show but I wont know till I test them on another board.

Damn house now stinks of magic smoke.

Update, Motherboard is toast ...zero signs of life, CPU is toast too but the Ram survived and has passed memtest86 just fine.

The PSU is also toast, not really worth trying to fix it either so its gone to the e-waste bin along with the motherboard, GPU and CPU.

4 x 500GB 2.5" - SATA 7200rpm
Never enough for data transfers

Got an acquaintance who says his games used to run nice on his 1080TI but given 3 years of game and windows updates "helping", things can get randomly stuttery now. So he's asking about "What can I upgrade to for cheap?" and gut feeling is to tell him that there's nothing much that will give him a noticeable upgrade that's less than $200 CDN and that's looking at used stuff.

BitWrangler wrote on 2025-04-30, 22:39:

Got an acquaintance who says his games used to run nice on his 1080TI but given 3 years of game and windows updates "helping", things can get randomly stuttery now. So he's asking about "What can I upgrade to for cheap?" and gut feeling is to tell him that there's nothing much that will give him a noticeable upgrade that's less than $200 CDN and that's looking at used stuff.

Yeah, GPU-wise there is very little that is worth upgrading to from a 1080 Ti unless he's got at least a few hundred bucks to spend. Part of the problem is that the 1080 Ti has 11GB of memory, and there are very few cards that are faster, decently priced AND have more memory. Heck, my 3080 only has 10GB. That said, in situations where VRAM isn't the limiting factor, even an 8GB 3060 Ti will be a sizeable upgrade over a 1080 Ti. If the price of a 3060 Ti is out of the question, then I wouldn't even bother with a GPU upgrade. Just wait it out. Ideally, something like a 4070 or 3080 would be good, but the price for those is going to be a lot higher unless he finds a smoking deal.

What are the rest of his specs? It's possible that something else is limiting his performance. It could even be software related, especially if he's had that OS install for quite a while. It might be worth just doing a fresh install on a spare SSD and then seeing if performance is any better. If that seems to help, then he can proceed with a full backup + reinstall of everything.

If he's got a really old or weak CPU, then getting a nice cheap AM5 setup is a great option these days. A Ryzen 5 7500F can be bought on Aliexpress (or other places like that) for under $140 US, and if he isn't trying to max out a 240Hz display in every game, a 7500F will likely be more than fast enough to eliminate CPU bottlenecks for several years. With some cheap DDR5 and whatever motherboard he can afford, it ends up being a surprisingly affordable setup.

Thanks, I'll check those things out when I next get over there. I think he's on a Ryzen 7 3rd gen and Samsung mSATA ~500gb. Think he reinstalled just before Christmas to try to make things better, and got rid of some niggles but issues remain.

Trashbytes wrote on 2025-03-05, 11:14:

Im going to be honest here .. I dont actually use the 4090 rig as my daily driver, I use a X299 rig with a Arc B580 in it. I found the 4090 rig simply pumps out too much heat if I run it 24/7 like I do my x299 machine.

So the 4090 spends most of its time turned off till I want to stream a game from it that requires the GPU grunt of the 4090 .. which isn't too many games. The B580 is actually a very solid GPU and handles nearly everything I throw at it while being quieter and producing less heat.

Perhaps I really am getting old since I now regret buying the 4090 as its simply overkill.

I think as time marches on the 50 series will get better and the prices for the 4090 will drop off but as it was a flagship card it will never be low.
The 4090 does seem to be more of a talking point card than something useful as it seems to be in your case but thats not to say the card isnt useful to some people.

What I find more interesting more as a student of human nature than a technology junkie is that somebody can spend as much as £2000 on a video card and then go on to worry about the amount of heat and noise it makes.
Sounds like a truck driver complaining about having poor visibility directly behind their truck because of the load it can carry.

What is interesting to me is why you went with an B580 rather than say a 3060Ti or 4060 as both would produce less heat and are quieter for an equal workload.
There seems to be a big push for team blue video cards right now, they are very much the underdog in vouge now but Im not sure why.

I refuse to use the garbage tier 60 gpus from Nvidia, both the 3060 and 4060 are over priced for the pittance of vram they have.

The B580 was cheaper than either of them and has more vram and happily beats either for non DLSS performance.

Intel actually makes good GPUs, nvidia make great features but is stuck in 8gb vram land for its budget cards.

ElectroSoldier wrote on Yesterday, 01:49:

There seems to be a big push for team blue video cards right now, they are very much the underdog in vouge now but Im not sure why.

Possibly because everyone is fed up of the duopoly, or arguably even the monopoly of the current AIB gpu market?

hornet1990 wrote on Yesterday, 08:19:

ElectroSoldier wrote on Yesterday, 01:49:

There seems to be a big push for team blue video cards right now, they are very much the underdog in vouge now but Im not sure why.

Possibly because everyone is fed up of the duopoly, or arguably even the monopoly of the current AIB gpu market?

Exactly this

Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 06:54:

I refuse to use the garbage tier 60 gpus from Nvidia, both the 3060 and 4060 are over priced for the pittance of vram they have.

The B580 was cheaper than either of them and has more vram and happily beats either for non DLSS performance.

Intel actually makes good GPUs, nvidia make great features but is stuck in 8gb vram land for its budget cards.

The 3060 has 12 gigs of vram. It's the 3060ti that's has to stupid 8 gigs of vram.

chrismeyer6 wrote on Yesterday, 10:09:

Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 06:54:

I refuse to use the garbage tier 60 gpus from Nvidia, both the 3060 and 4060 are over priced for the pittance of vram they have.

The B580 was cheaper than either of them and has more vram and happily beats either for non DLSS performance.

Intel actually makes good GPUs, nvidia make great features but is stuck in 8gb vram land for its budget cards.

The 3060 has 12 gigs of vram. It's the 3060ti that's has to stupid 8 gigs of vram.

Yes yes lets give the slowest weakest of the 3060s 12gb of Vram . .cause bigger must mean better right ... nope wrong, its nothing more than a overclocked 3050. Nvidia does this because gullible people buy these cards thinking bigger is better but the 8Gb models runs circles around the 12Gb versions due to the bigger memory bus, faster Vram and better core clocks. (The 3060 12Gb doesn't even have enough GPU power to utilize the full 12Gb it has, that how anemic it is)

Have seen Nvidia do this before and they didn't fool me then and they wont now, all their recent 60 series cards are garbage...especially the 5060 which has no right to even exist.

And people keep buying this garbage from nVidia, its why I switched to Intel at least I know they are trying to fuck me and are nice enough to let me know first.

The last good 60 series from them was the 2060 Super which was good for what it was meant to be, was quite the little power house that one.

AMD is pulling the same stunt with the 8 gig cards. 12 gigs should be the starting point not 8

Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 06:54:

I refuse to use the garbage tier 60 gpus from Nvidia, both the 3060 and 4060 are over priced for the pittance of vram they have.

The B580 was cheaper than either of them and has more vram and happily beats either for non DLSS performance.

Intel actually makes good GPUs, nvidia make great features but is stuck in 8gb vram land for its budget cards.

Yeah two points I can understand there but not sure about the vram.

hornet1990 wrote on Yesterday, 08:19:

ElectroSoldier wrote on Yesterday, 01:49:

There seems to be a big push for team blue video cards right now, they are very much the underdog in vouge now but Im not sure why.

Possibly because everyone is fed up of the duopoly, or arguably even the monopoly of the current AIB gpu market?

That one thing is anoying me more than anything else, the market is stagnant and the top end of the market is a one horse race which is boring to say the least.
The retro crowd know how interesting a seller rich market can be.
AMD seems to be aiming mostly at the mid range with some rather compelling if confusing cards but the whole market needs a shake up but by Intel?!?

Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 10:24:

Yes yes lets give the slowest weakest of the 3060s 12gb of Vram . .cause bigger must mean better right ... nope wrong, its nothi […]
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chrismeyer6 wrote on Yesterday, 10:09:

Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 06:54:

I refuse to use the garbage tier 60 gpus from Nvidia, both the 3060 and 4060 are over priced for the pittance of vram they have.

The B580 was cheaper than either of them and has more vram and happily beats either for non DLSS performance.

Intel actually makes good GPUs, nvidia make great features but is stuck in 8gb vram land for its budget cards.

The 3060 has 12 gigs of vram. It's the 3060ti that's has to stupid 8 gigs of vram.

Yes yes lets give the slowest weakest of the 3060s 12gb of Vram . .cause bigger must mean better right ... nope wrong, its nothing more than a overclocked 3050. Nvidia does this because gullible people buy these cards thinking bigger is better but the 8Gb models runs circles around the 12Gb versions due to the bigger memory bus, faster Vram and better core clocks. (The 3060 12Gb doesn't even have enough GPU power to utilize the full 12Gb it has, that how anemic it is)

Have seen Nvidia do this before and they didn't fool me then and they wont now, all their recent 60 series cards are garbage...especially the 5060 which has no right to even exist.

And people keep buying this garbage from nVidia, its why I switched to Intel at least I know they are trying to fuck me and are nice enough to let me know first.

The last good 60 series from them was the 2060 Super which was good for what it was meant to be, was quite the little power house that one.

I see this carries on from earlier.
Dislike nvidia... fair enough, they have done more than enough to earn that kind of attitude towards them.

I have to confess I have been wanting to try out one from team blue for a while now, there are a few reviews with favourable results but every time I keep getting draw to the green flag...
It used to be red but with the change of name it lost its luster for me and now I just seem to be stuck in comfortable.

Im not a gamer... I play games, or a game that is modern but I want video render capability, and I know team green deliver.
You seem to have more experience with them than I do so have a different idea.

ElectroSoldier wrote on Yesterday, 13:01:

Yeah two points I can understand there but not sure about the vram. […]
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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 06:54:

I refuse to use the garbage tier 60 gpus from Nvidia, both the 3060 and 4060 are over priced for the pittance of vram they have.

The B580 was cheaper than either of them and has more vram and happily beats either for non DLSS performance.

Intel actually makes good GPUs, nvidia make great features but is stuck in 8gb vram land for its budget cards.

Yeah two points I can understand there but not sure about the vram.

hornet1990 wrote on Yesterday, 08:19:

ElectroSoldier wrote on Yesterday, 01:49:

There seems to be a big push for team blue video cards right now, they are very much the underdog in vouge now but Im not sure why.

Possibly because everyone is fed up of the duopoly, or arguably even the monopoly of the current AIB gpu market?

That one thing is anoying me more than anything else, the market is stagnant and the top end of the market is a one horse race which is boring to say the least.
The retro crowd know how interesting a seller rich market can be.
AMD seems to be aiming mostly at the mid range with some rather compelling if confusing cards but the whole market needs a shake up but by Intel?!?

Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 10:24:

Yes yes lets give the slowest weakest of the 3060s 12gb of Vram . .cause bigger must mean better right ... nope wrong, its nothi […]
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chrismeyer6 wrote on Yesterday, 10:09:

The 3060 has 12 gigs of vram. It's the 3060ti that's has to stupid 8 gigs of vram.

Yes yes lets give the slowest weakest of the 3060s 12gb of Vram . .cause bigger must mean better right ... nope wrong, its nothing more than a overclocked 3050. Nvidia does this because gullible people buy these cards thinking bigger is better but the 8Gb models runs circles around the 12Gb versions due to the bigger memory bus, faster Vram and better core clocks. (The 3060 12Gb doesn't even have enough GPU power to utilize the full 12Gb it has, that how anemic it is)

Have seen Nvidia do this before and they didn't fool me then and they wont now, all their recent 60 series cards are garbage...especially the 5060 which has no right to even exist.

And people keep buying this garbage from nVidia, its why I switched to Intel at least I know they are trying to fuck me and are nice enough to let me know first.

The last good 60 series from them was the 2060 Super which was good for what it was meant to be, was quite the little power house that one.

I see this carries on from earlier.
Dislike nvidia... fair enough, they have done more than enough to earn that kind of attitude towards them.

I have to confess I have been wanting to try out one from team blue for a while now, there are a few reviews with favourable results but every time I keep getting draw to the green flag...
It used to be red but with the change of name it lost its luster for me and now I just seem to be stuck in comfortable.

Im not a gamer... I play games, or a game that is modern but I want video render capability, and I know team green deliver.
You seem to have more experience with them than I do so have a different idea.

My brother in law just got a B580 and I have to say I'm quite impressed by it. Good performance for the price. His local microcenter had the OC ASRock card for 265.00. he's so far had zero issues with it.

Pair of used HP Z4 G4 workstations decent CPU, 64GB ECC memory (4 sticks), and ample of NVME storage using NVME HP black clamp on heatsinks, for family and mine to finish transitioning to windows 11. Choice of 750W or 1000W power supplies. Best decision I made. The old family's computer was a mistake, H81-M Asus board, that substituted specified motherboard by the clerk at computer store, I can't blame this because mom was picking them up, just the honest mistake and store is known quality store. Asus H81-M is low end board: Two slot memory and second fan connector has no PWM, had to Y connect two fans from one connector.

Planning on buying third Z4 G4 for my work. To replace the reliable HP EliteDesk 800 G1 which will turn 7 this Sept, working non-st0p.

Cheers,

pentiumspeed wrote on Today, 14:21:

Pair of used HP Z4 G4 workstations decent CPU, 64GB ECC memory (4 sticks), and ample of NVME storage using NVME HP black clamp on heatsinks, for family and mine to finish transitioning to windows 11. Choice of 750W or 1000W power supplies. Best decision I made. The old family's computer was a mistake, H81-M Asus board, that substituted specified motherboard by the clerk at computer store, I can't blame this because mom was picking them up, just the honest mistake and store is known quality store. Asus H81-M is low end board: Two slot memory and second fan connector has no PWM, had to Y connect two fans from one connector.

Planning on buying third Z4 G4 for my work. To replace the reliable HP EliteDesk 800 G1 which will turn 7 this Sept, working non-st0p.

Cheers,

Great computers !

I use the HP z440’s workstations.
Xeon E5-2697a ( 16-cores, 32=threads ).
64gb ECC RAM
PCIe Nvme SSD’s ( 2 x 3tb each ) 4tb total Nvme storage
8 hard drives ( 8 x 12tb = 94tb total hard drive storage
2 Sata SSD drives ( 2 x 2tb each ) 4tb total
Total Storage = 102 Terrabytes

AMD 7900xt video card
HBA harddrive controller

This is the BEST Computers I have EVER Owned for the Price.
Running Dual Boot Win-10-Pro and Win-11-Pro on Nvme SSD

These computers Never Crash and are Extremely Dependable, Reliable, and Resilient.

I bought mine on eBay refurbished from Used Server Resellewrs.
I paid about $120each
And added about $200 in upgrades Not including Drives and Video card.

But I am ready for Win-11-Pro