Exploit wrote on 2025-05-05, 22:21:
Jo22 wrote on 2025-05-05, 21:10:
Pardon. I meant the "typical home user mentality" here, which I think is right.
The typical home user get's a legal copy of windows by buying a new PC.
Most will have a legal license of Windows XP or Vista or Windows 7 because they have purchased at least one new PC during this period.
Hi, but but on other hand, I thought every gamer who gets a new PC does re-install Windows as step #1, in order to get rid of all the bloatware? 🤷♂️
Personally, when I got a new/used PC I had no use for the supplied Windows license (if there was any).
Simply because I prefered to use the normal, the professional edition of Windows.
With exception to Windows 98SE, which was okay.
It had Personal Webserver and some professional users had it on some of their PCs.
In the days of Windows 3.1, we had used the normal retail version at home (5,25" floppies).
Without the COA and serial number (that came with WfW 3.11).
We had Windows 95 as a normal, boxed version (upgrade) too.
I bought my DOS games. I still have most of them with the packaging, manual and floppy disks.
Hi! I had bought shareware CDs from my pocket money, rather.
Sometimes I also got free advertisement games on 3,5" floppy.
Bigbox games weren't my world, except for those bigger bundles.
A box of 10 CDs of shareware, with a few full versions per CD-ROM (Mig-29, Humans, etc).
When it came to commercial games, I was more of an NES/SNES person.
I had a few games, such as F-Zero, SMW, Mario 1/2/3, Rad Racer, Yoshi's Island. And Super Gameboy, too.
On PC, I rather enjoyed playing desktop games written for Windows 3.1x!
Such as Lander 3, Space Exploration Mission Alpha, Warpath!, WinTrek, WormWorld..
Some games were even ported to Win32/NT, which was brand new! 😃
I remember that HyperRoid had a 32-Bit version (HyperRoid32).
WinTrek/Warpath!/EmPipe also were available in 32-Bit!
I played them on a 386DX-40 running Win95, I think..
PS: Here are some lenghty posts, if you're interested in lots of weirdness. 😅
Have fun. 🙂
Re: Moments in computing history when you felt that the future had arrived
Re: Choosing between two cards för Win98 build
Your world doesn't seem to be mine.
Yes! Exactly! I was thinking exactly same thing. 😅
I wonder if it's a generational thing and/or me being worse at being German.
If I had to guess then I probably had grown up between the generations, somewhere between X/Y.
With an inner "lass mal fünfe g'rade sein" or "och gottele" mentality. "Ey."
Just play "Bi-Fi Roll - Action in Hollywood", I can identify with some of it. 😉
I've also used to be a fan of "Raumschiff Enterprise" (ST TOS).
Maybe that says a lot about my personality, too. 😉
PS: Do you remember the Sharebert series of pocket books, by any chance?
I liked them. They had featured interesting DOS/Win3.1 shareware/freeware titles on a floppy!
Or how about montly shareware CD-ROMs by CDV and ARI? 😀
Bestseller Games magazines/Gold Games? All the weird stuff sold by Pearl Agency?
And why do you think ReactOS would matter to such people?
These are the same people who have Photoshop and Adobe Premiere illega […]
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And why do you think ReactOS would matter to such people?
These are the same people who have Photoshop and Adobe Premiere illegally installed on their modern computers today.
They wouldn't even think about purchasing a used Windows XP license.
And that despite the fact that it can be bought everywhere for ridiculously cheap.
Um, I didn't meant to say that. 😟 I was trying to express that I think that home users would due to their mentality have an interest in pirated Windows, warez and (jokingly) a cracked WinRAR.
WinRAR.. Because, WinRAR is being known for being copied. Even the company jokes about it link. And they must know the numbers, I guess.
Open source and ReactOS are usually only of interest to people who want their software legal.
But for them, an old Windows XP li […]
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Open source and ReactOS are usually only of interest to people who want their software legal.
But for them, an old Windows XP license doesn't cost a fortune either so it's a common and popular option to just buy one.
It's especially one, that works now, while ReactOS is still in early development.
And they probably don't even need to buy one, because they already have one from back then.
Hi! I, um, was more thinking of tinkerers, hobbyists, retro enthusiasts, also radio amateurs (amateurfunker), philosophers and so on. 😟
Anyway, when I'm replying, I think of the statement rather than the user.
My reply wasn't dirrcted torwards you, but solely the statement I quoted.
So please forgive me for comming off as rude here, I didn't mean to accuse you of anything.
Okay, apology accepted.
Thank you. 🙂
Schools can use modern operating systems such as Linux, and in most countries, Windows licenses are purchased cheaply for schools and financed with taxpayers' money.
Hi. I don’t know. I remember my old school days being differently, simply. […]
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Hi. I don’t know. I remember my old school days being differently, simply.
Our old computer room had Windows 95 PCs in 2002 or so.
These were Pentium machines, yellowed and worn.
And they were sufficient to teach students how to use word processors and spreadsheets, such as MS Office 97.
Hi. Ours were a torture to be used, all the time. 😢
When typing, on the new PCs (new old stock?), the letters were being drawn on screen about 2 seconds after hitting keyboard keys.
Booting Windows 2000 took 10 minutes. We all had to wait, staring out of window.
The only "fast" PC was the dedicated teacher's PC in the front. It must have had its own hard disk, I suppose. Yay! 😃
The Windows 9x PCs in the old computer room didn't have MS Office installed, I think. Not sure about MS Works, though.
That's why some of us had to use WordPad. Rich Text could store formatting, at least.
There was no network connection between old and new PC room, unfortunately.
Pupils had to use floppy disks and wander around.
Some pupils didn't even have had access to floppy disks, so teachers had to organize/buy them.
The school had no floppy disks in storage, obviously.
Schools often purchase refurbished PCs from companies because this provides a consistent set of equipment and the PCs are affordable. [..]
Hi. I meant to say we got a new computer room with outdated hardware. 😟
It wasn't being used until being outdated, it was outdated when being freshly opened to pupils.. Outdated by ~5 years.
At home and at workplace, Windows 2000 already was a relic by the time?
Persomally, it's being beyond me what educational purpose it has to teach with obsolete hard/software. 🤔
In addition, Windows 2000 never was an OS for home/workplace use (ie, not being mainstream, just like NT4).
Windows 2000 Workstation was meant for.. workstations.
Wouldn't ReactOS have been just as much/as less of a niche here? 😟
Schools don't even use Libre Office because parents complain that students don't use Word and Excel, which are used in the workplace.
Hi, I'm not sure about this. We had an outdated Office 2000, but it was sluggish on the hardware.
Not sure what would have had caused more complaints, thus.
Something like StarOffice might have been a nice alternative, I suppose? 🤷♂️
But I don't know why you're talking about it anyway, because I've already covered it all with the following two sentences in my first comment. Apparently, you missed them:
Exploit wrote on 2025-05-05, 10:19:
I think the project itself is important. It's always good to have an open source alternative to the Windows NT branch.
Sorry, my bad. 😟 At time of writing, I simply thought it is interesting to talk about use cases of ReactOS, I guess. 🤷♂️
I certainly didn’t mean to get on anyones nerves. 😟
And about Linux vs Windows. Windows is industry standard (and MS Office).
And schools think they must teach what's common in business world.
And that's why ReactOS wouldn't be sufficient according to these criteria, precisely because it's not Windows. It merely emulates Windows. We didn't have DR-DOS either, but MS-DOS.
Oh, okay. But wasn't DR-DOS actually being better/of higher quality? I've heard nothing but praise for DR-DOS. 🙂
Novell DOS 7 had been very popular, too, especially in Germany. I saw the ads in PC magazines.
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In 1996, it was Pentium processors with Windows 95, with Word, Excel and PowerPoint.
As well as Turbo Pascal 6.0 for the compute […]
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In 1996, it was Pentium processors with Windows 95, with Word, Excel and PowerPoint.
As well as Turbo Pascal 6.0 for the computer course.
The computers were perfectly adequate.
Turbo Pascal, while no longer up-to-date, was perfectly adequate for introducing students to programming concepts.
And C would have been too much for many students anyway.
The computers were not connected to the Internet.
Hi, from my point of view, I think that might have been true for TP6 ('90),
but perhaps not for Borland Pascal 7 (professional version of TP7, last update '93) or Pascal in general.
Here in, my world, Turbo Pascal was being popular throughout the whole 90s.
Borland Pascal 7 had a Windows compiler, too, which was an advanced version of Turbo Pascal for Windows.
The book series "Delphi for kids" and "Turbo Pascal for kids" covered Pascal language. 😀
Win32 applications compiled with Delphi 2, 3 or 7 run on ReactOS, too.
I tried this out way back in the 2010s, when tinkering with ReactOS.
The nice thing about Delphi programs is that they don't have dependencies.
A standard Windows installation is enough. VB6 applications need MSVBVM60.DLL, which ships with Windows 98 to 11.
Tipp: You maybe don't know this as a former TP6 user, but TP7 or BP7 offered Turbo Vision environment to developers.
So you could write your own applications using Turbo Vision.
Maybe that's interesting to you, it's never too late to learn something new.
That's why I like Vogons so much, this place always surprises me. 😀