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First post, by darvil

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Hello! First time here. Of course my first post will be about an issue... How creative!
I will be honest, I'm a quite young-ish user here (in my twenties!) and I must admit my knowledge about old hardware is limited, however, I really do and want to do my best at keeping old things functioning, even if it involves learning many new things. Over the years I have developed so much love for previous technology, and seeing it "replaced" or forgotten makes me sad!
The reason I'm writing this is because of the issue I'm experiencing. Prior to telling you about it, I do have a feeling its a pretty basic thing that should be obvious for most people...
Anyway!;

I have an IBM PS/2 model 30-286. It does work surprisingly well. The hard drive (30mb) works well and boots into MS-DOS 5.0. There's some software and files in it, which I plan to backup as soon as possible.
The floppy drive had issues loading any diskette. I read these units are notorious for having faulty drives, so I did replace the faulty capacitors and it now works quite well. It is able to boot the starter and diagnostics diskettes flawlessly, is able to read the contents in them and so on. Here you have some photos of it!

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But here's the issue:
Other than the disks I wrote (Starter and Diagnostics disk), I also got ready one with PKZIP and PC-DOS (so that i can easily backup all the data with pkzip, and then install pc-dos). I used rawwrite to write the images on then. These are 1.44MB, high density disks, which are in fact supported by this computer.
When attempting to load them on the IBM, I got an interesting issue. When trying to run the executables, nothing would happen or the computer would hang, which made me think something was going really bad. Decided to take a look at the contents of the text files in the directories (such as READMEs and so) and I noticed the contents were all shifted! That is, files had contents of another file at the start, so executables and binaries in general were definitely very cooked! I initially thought this could be caused by misalignment of the heads, but the fact that it boots the starter diskettes fine makes me believe that can't be it...

After this, I decided to format them again, but this time, instead of writing the image disks on them, I opened the image files and copied the contents manually. I figured that would work since these dont really require me to make them bootable.
The result? The executables seem to run, but I do get a Sector not found reading drive A error after hearing the drive head knocking a few times.
After this, I decided to try to get the starter disk in while MS-DOS was running to see if it had the same issue, and indeed does. After all of this, I can see that running the programs from boot works perfectly fine, but in ms-dos, everything seems to break...

I really would appreciate some guidance now as I really I'm not sure what's exactly happening. I could be doing something very wrong and I'm not aware either!

Thank you in advance!

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Reply 1 of 8, by dominusprog

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This is a common issue with these old drivers. They can read and write their own floppies, but not the floppies written by another drive. Have you cleaned the heads?

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Reply 2 of 8, by Rwolf

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Does that PC really support 1.44 MB floppies in the BIOS setup?

I'm not that sure about these PS/2 models, but I had an external 3.5" drive from IBM in my older IBM-AT which only supported 720kB disks. (DD, not HD)

Reply 3 of 8, by waterbeesje

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You may try to format a disk on the IBM and then write the data to it in another machine. Maybe you're lucky 😀

If that works, try to get interlink/Intersvr from pc dos 5.02 or ms dos 6.xx onto the computer. Then you can use a null modern or laplink cable for data transfer. You can build these yourself quite easily.

Even better would be to use an xt-cf controller so you can use a compactflash card for data transfer. It can coexist with the original hard disk if the bios address is somewhere in a free segment of the e or f area.

Stuck at 10MHz...

Reply 4 of 8, by darvil

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dominusprog wrote on 2025-05-10, 14:50:

This is a common issue with these old drivers. They can read and write their own floppies, but not the floppies written by another drive. Have you cleaned the heads?

I have cleaned them previously when I recapped the drive.

Rwolf wrote on 2025-05-10, 17:09:

Does that PC really support 1.44 MB floppies in the BIOS setup?

I'm not that sure about these PS/2 models, but I had an external 3.5" drive from IBM in my older IBM-AT which only supported 720kB disks. (DD, not HD)

I have checked out the configuration in the diagnostics diskette and it does in fact list the drive as a 1.44MB 3.5'' floppy drive! If I'm not wrong, this especific model was the one that supported 1.44MBs. It is also displayed on the eject button of the drive with a "1.44" written in it.

waterbeesje wrote on 2025-05-10, 17:33:

You may try to format a disk on the IBM and then write the data to it in another machine. Maybe you're lucky 😀

If that works, try to get interlink/Intersvr from pc dos 5.02 or ms dos 6.xx onto the computer. Then you can use a null modern or laplink cable for data transfer. You can build these yourself quite easily.

Even better would be to use an xt-cf controller so you can use a compactflash card for data transfer. It can coexist with the original hard disk if the bios address is somewhere in a free segment of the e or f area.

I have just tried this! Unfortunately, when attempting to open them in windows, I get a sad error stating that "The request is not supported."... Also, thanks for that very useful information, I will definitely keep that noted once I get this thing working! I am starting to again think this could be caused by head misalignment... How possible can that be?

Reply 5 of 8, by Jo22

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Really smart is LapLink 5. It can remote-install itself without much user support.
I think it somehow works via CTTY and exploiting a code execution from command line.
That means there's no floppy disk needed to get LapLink on the other computer.
A video demonstrates this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S--JKICynDc

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Reply 6 of 8, by luckybob

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Rwolf wrote on 2025-05-10, 17:09:

Does that PC really support 1.44 MB floppies in the BIOS setup?

I'm not that sure about these PS/2 models, but I had an external 3.5" drive from IBM in my older IBM-AT which only supported 720kB disks. (DD, not HD)

yes. there are 2 versions of the model 30 ( and 25) and the 286 version has 1.44 floppy drives.

darvil wrote on 2025-05-10, 19:56:

I have just tried this! Unfortunately, when attempting to open them in windows, I get a sad error stating that "The request is not supported."... Also, thanks for that very useful information, I will definitely keep that noted once I get this thing working! I am starting to again think this could be caused by head misalignment... How possible can that be?

welcome to the party!

Head alignment errors are actually RELATIVELY rare with 3.5" disks.

If this machine were in my pleasure dungeon, the next thing I would test is to swap the floppy drive. I have one of these adapters: https://texelec.com/product/ibm-ps2-to-standa … floppy-adapter/
lets me just swap in a "normal" floppy and eliminate the guesswork. I dont recall if the 25/30 uses the other floppy connection or not, but just use an adapter on the adapter for that. (benefits of collecting stuff for 20 years) its entirely possible your other 3.5" drive is funky, as the laptop drives they use in the USB adapters are less than optimal.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 7 of 8, by waterbeesje

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luckybob wrote on 2025-05-10, 20:05:
yes. there are 2 versions of the model 30 ( and 25) and the 286 version has 1.44 floppy drives. […]
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Rwolf wrote on 2025-05-10, 17:09:

Does that PC really support 1.44 MB floppies in the BIOS setup?

I'm not that sure about these PS/2 models, but I had an external 3.5" drive from IBM in my older IBM-AT which only supported 720kB disks. (DD, not HD)

yes. there are 2 versions of the model 30 ( and 25) and the 286 version has 1.44 floppy drives.

darvil wrote on 2025-05-10, 19:56:

I have just tried this! Unfortunately, when attempting to open them in windows, I get a sad error stating that "The request is not supported."... Also, thanks for that very useful information, I will definitely keep that noted once I get this thing working! I am starting to again think this could be caused by head misalignment... How possible can that be?

welcome to the party!

Head alignment errors are actually RELATIVELY rare with 3.5" disks.

If this machine were in my pleasure dungeon, the next thing I would test is to swap the floppy drive. I have one of these adapters: https://texelec.com/product/ibm-ps2-to-standa … floppy-adapter/
lets me just swap in a "normal" floppy and eliminate the guesswork. I dont recall if the 25/30 uses the other floppy connection or not, but just use an adapter on the adapter for that. (benefits of collecting stuff for 20 years) its entirely possible your other 3.5" drive is funky, as the laptop drives they use in the USB adapters are less than optimal.

IBM wouldn't be IBM if they made it all straight forward.
Model 30 8086: at least 3 types of drives are used, all supporting 720kB max. Some drives have pins, some have edge connector.
Model 30 286 also has several drive types, all 1.44M I believe, used and all use pin connectors. They will also work with 720k drives (why would you) and probably even 2.88M drives.
And yes, 1.44 drives do work in the 8086, but only in 720k mode.

Using this adapter would give you access to not only standard floor drives, but also to the Gotek fake-but-handy floppy emulator. Ideal for trouble shooting.

Stuck at 10MHz...

Reply 8 of 8, by darvil

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Little update!
I decided to run the diagnostics diskette tests to see what it could come up with and... Surprise! Basically all floppy tests fail, along with two memory modules that seem to be faulty. (yes, I did make sure to re-seat and clean them!)
When I pick one of the test procedures, such as the seeking test, it does properly recognize the number of tracks and sectors of the disk, but sadly ends up failing with the next error:

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648 FORMAT TEST FAILED

Important to note that it is able to format the diskette if I pick the format option on the main menu... Also, prior to this error happening, you can see the drive head moving forwards and backwards repeteadly until it ends up reporting the error.

About that adapter, I do hope to be able to get the original fella working if possible, but if not, it does seem like a neat replacement.