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First post, by rmay635703

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Something I’ve been looking for is an archive of the OLD US Computer Shopper magazines (pre 1997)

I used to own 3 or 4 (coinciding with each time I built a new PC then upgraded and sold my old one in the 90’s)

My mom made me toss them but I think I may still have one of the newer ones somewhere .

I am most interested in 1996 or 1995 issues.

Also long ago I remember seeing a graph of computer chips prices over time.
AKA Intel DX2-66, P60, P66, P75, ect
And I always found it to be interesting, not sure if anyone has a link or copy of that graph,

Sort of interesting snapshots in time seeing just how much (or how little) we had to pay back in the day

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Reply 2 of 13, by Stiletto

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I have a single issue of Computer Shopper from that era still, but it's in storage right now. I think it was from 1995.

I've never heard of anyone having an archive of these scanned - given the thinness of the paper and the massive number of pages (I used to call them "the phonebook"), I expect scanning them would be challenging.

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Reply 4 of 13, by SirNickity

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My inner nerd is squeeing right now. I LOVED thumbing through Computer Shopper when it was a giant catalog of everything computers. That was around my 7th / 8th grades, and I would stay up half the night during summer vacation, imagining which case I would want, and what hard drive, where to get them, how much it would cost... I even charted a backup tape rotation schedule before I even had a computer of my own to keep backed up. 🙄 Absolutely dreamed of owning a computer store one day, and configuring custom-built computers for people. Ah man. I hope someone does have an archive. Going back through one of those would be a trip and a half.

Also like the idea of CPU price charts. That would make a killer electronic photo frame app, just charting three or four random CPUs over a given 10-year period. Hey, a 386DX/33 vs. a Pentium 66. Neat! 😁

Reply 5 of 13, by rmay635703

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May 1995 prices (with January mentioned)

Reply 6 of 13, by Anonymous Coward

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P75 was a pretty good deal when it came out, but I thumbed my nose at them because of the lowly 50MHz bus. Plus, before the Pentium was even released, everyone was already waiting for the clock doubled 100MHz version, and I refused to settle on anything slower than that. By the time the 100MHz Pentium became somewhat affordable the 166 was already out, and by then the 200MHz chips were on the horizon so I wouldn't settle for anything less than that!
Should have just got the P75 and overclocked it to 90 or 100 like everyone else and spared myself the 3 year wait.

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Reply 7 of 13, by rmay635703

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I got a cheap multimedia dx2-66 in 1995 (to replace an aging 1000rlx for business software)

At 15 I probably had the most fun with the dx2. NFS, Duke 3D and a 250+ dos shareware Cd

The next year I saw 133mhz $399 on the computer shopper bought the magazine and got the computer
We then for a while had two business computers the 5x86 w/ 4mb and a 1mb xing video card was mine.
Once I got the 5x86 all setup with the software I needed we upgraded the dx2 to 133mhz and sold it.
A year or so later I picked up a cheap 6x86-200 and rinse and repeat
Then a 6x86-233 about a year later but that one I kept some time, upgraded the cpu to 450mhz in college.
Built my own machine for the folks so we had two primary machines.

Although mostly useless this list is interesting

Intel 4004 1971
Intel 8008 April 1972
Intel 8080 April 1974
Zilog Z-80 1976
Intel 286-16 1983
Intel 386-16 1985
Intel 386-20 1987
Intel 386-25 1988
Intel 386-33 1989
Intel 486-33 May 1990
Intel 486-50 June 1991
Intel 486-66 August 1992
Intel Pentium-66 March 1993
Intel Pentium-100 March 1994
Intel Pentium-120 March 1995
Intel Pentium-133 June 1995
Intel Pentium-166 January 1996
Cyrix 6x86-200 June 1996
Intel P-233 MMX January 1997
AMD K6-233 April 1997
Intel Pentium II 266 May 1997
Intel Pentium II 333 January 1998
Intel Pentium II 400 April 1998
Intel Pentium II 450 August 1998
Intel Pentium-III 500 February 1999
AMD K6-III 450 February 1999
Intel Pentium-III 550 May 1999
AMD Athlon 650 August 1999
AMD Athlon 700 October 1999
AMD Athlon 750 November 1999
AMD Athlon 800 January 200

Reply 9 of 13, by Riikcakirds

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Anonymous Coward wrote on 2019-11-28, 05:18:

P75 was a pretty good deal when it came out, but I thumbed my nose at them because of the lowly 50MHz bus. Plus, before the Pentium was even released, everyone was already waiting for the clock doubled 100MHz version, and I refused to settle on anything slower than that. By the time the 100MHz Pentium became somewhat affordable the 166 was already out, and by then the 200MHz chips were on the horizon so I wouldn't settle for anything less than that!
Should have just got the P75 and overclocked it to 90 or 100 like everyone else and spared myself the 3 year wait.

P75 was a great deal and I remember back around December 1994 on Usenet, posts about people overclocking them to 133mhz. A good 6months before the 133mhz part was released. I bought one in feb 95 and it still runs at 133mhz when needed.

Reply 10 of 13, by Intel486dx33

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Fry’s electronics was a popular electronics store in America south west. Very popular in California and Silicon Valley.
I miss this store so much. But Microcenter is building a computer store in Silicon Vally soon.
Currently Silicon Valley has very few computer component stores for builders.

Anyways, Back in 1990 the computer shopper magazine was distributed at Frys electronics for FREE
Monthly publication.
They had adds from many small business computer builders and component retailers.

This is where I found the builder of my first 486 computer.
In the computer shopper magazine you could shop and compare prices from different stores.
Also our Sunday newspaper San Jose Mercury always had the latest deals from computer stores.
Computer components were everywhere in Silicon Valley.

Reply 11 of 13, by Cosmic

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Intel486dx33 wrote on 2025-05-16, 00:42:

Fry’s electronics was a popular electronics store in America south west. Very popular in California and Silicon Valley.

I went to Fry's in northern California as a kid - that store was magical. It felt like stepping into a future as it was unfolding. Computers, cameras, gadgets, things you've never seen or heard of were unfolding on the store floor. Massive warehouse-style ceilings (like Costco), lots of purple neon tubes everywhere, popcorn, snacks, TVs, sales & salespeople, laptops, monitors, parts, random wacky stuff. It was amazing. Totally bygone era. I miss it too.

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Reply 12 of 13, by BitWrangler

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Sometime in late 95, early 96, there began to be a lot of "side channel" availability, OEMs dumping stock. Bare CPUs from the tray. "Retail" might have been $150 still, but they were under a hundred and dropping at fairs etc. Going into '97 they were practically "free" with motherboard and RAM, because on any but the cheapest lowest margin boards, you could get P75 plus motherboard plus 8MB for the same price as mobo and RAM separate as a combo deal.

Riikcakirds wrote on 2025-05-15, 22:22:
Anonymous Coward wrote on 2019-11-28, 05:18:

P75 was a pretty good deal when it came out, but I thumbed my nose at them because of the lowly 50MHz bus. Plus, before the Pentium was even released, everyone was already waiting for the clock doubled 100MHz version, and I refused to settle on anything slower than that. By the time the 100MHz Pentium became somewhat affordable the 166 was already out, and by then the 200MHz chips were on the horizon so I wouldn't settle for anything less than that!
Should have just got the P75 and overclocked it to 90 or 100 like everyone else and spared myself the 3 year wait.

P75 was a great deal and I remember back around December 1994 on Usenet, posts about people overclocking them to 133mhz. A good 6months before the 133mhz part was released. I bought one in feb 95 and it still runs at 133mhz when needed.

Some time in the early noughts, I'd found that 6 P75s had collected up, so decided to see how far they went because there were worthless around then. It was a spread of ages, but I don't think I had very early ones in there. The slowest still went 120, two maxed at 133, two maxed at 150 and one made it to 166.... and this was with "era apropriate" heatsinks, short little "basic pentium sinks" took them all to 133 that would go, and then for 150 and 166 they needed the "cyrix" sinks, slightly larger ones up to about 3/4 high. Possibly one of the 150s would have done 166 with a "super 7"/370 CeleronA sized one on, and the 166 might have gone further, if I could have been bothered trying it on a board that went past 83.

But yah, that was when I began to slightly regret buying a Cyrix 5x86 100GP at the end of 95. I too had been swerved away from low end pentium by the magazine writers hatred of the 50/25 bus. Not then realising that 60 was pretty much guaranteed, and 66 highly likely. However, there was another factor, PCI graphics were kinda spendy around that time. I guess if I had had a decent ISA card I might have made do with that, I didn't though, only a basic 256kB C&T VGA. Though it's surprising but when you think about that, less surprising, that I've come across several pentium systems since with an ISA Trident in.

Edit: ah forgot the actual on topic bit. Someone bought a stack of Computer Shopper back issues and boasted on reddit or somewhere that they were gonna digitise the lot, but it seemed that they got three issues in and stalled. Not sure if they picked it up again and there's more now or what.

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Reply 13 of 13, by Anonymous Coward

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The later Pentium 75s were in the new ceramic packaging and probably used the same fabrication process as the P120-P166. I'd be surprised if any of those didn't overclock. I'm curious about the early gold top ones though. I suspect with those, 90MHz was probably tops in most cases.

I actually don't remember PCI graphics cards in 1994 being that expensive. The Tridents and Cirrus Logics were super cheap. At the time I didn't realise they were actually quite decent, because of experiences I'd had with their ISA cards.

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