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Reply 60 of 86, by mockingbird

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bloodem wrote on 2023-08-18, 15:43:
If it helps, for comparison purposes, here are the results with a Core 2 Duo E8600 @ 4 GHz + ATI Radeon X850XT PCIe: […]
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If it helps, for comparison purposes, here are the results with a Core 2 Duo E8600 @ 4 GHz + ATI Radeon X850XT PCIe:

Quake 3 1024 x  768 x 32: 675.6 FPS

Looks good. With a similar setup (G31/ICH7, 3Ghz, Radeon X800 PCIe analog) I got about 515 IIRC with DEMO001.

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Reply 61 of 86, by Pikes

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baguete wrote on 2021-06-19, 11:15:
Installed a Core 2 Duo E8600 and overclocked it to 4.80GHz on a ASUS P5Q3 motherboard, seems to be hitting the limits of this sy […]
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Installed a Core 2 Duo E8600 and overclocked it to 4.80GHz on a ASUS P5Q3 motherboard, seems to be hitting the limits of this system, here are the results:

3DMark 99 Max: https://youtu.be/9IU-usKmRV4
3DMark 2001 SE: https://youtu.be/nWHYWmEyQzY

I think I will call this a day and move to other projects, maybe return to the old setup with Xeon X5260 @ 4.00GHz + 6800GT and install everything on a nice case and enjoy some retro gaming on it.

I would like to see other people doing similar stuff and maybe on newer platforms and see if everything works properly (USB 2.0, SATA drives, PCIe 2.0/3.0, etc...).

Cheers 👌

That is awesome! Did you use somekind of a custom driver for the motherboard? Didn't find Win9X drivers on manufacturer database at least..

Reply 62 of 86, by Dothan Burger

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mockingbird wrote on 2023-08-18, 15:17:

Are any of you able to bench Quake 3 for me on an nVidia PCIe card on Windows 98 please? Thanks

98SE \ Core 2 Duo T7600@ 2.33 \ 7950GT 512 \ 82.69 Quake3 1024/768 580 FPS

Reply 63 of 86, by mockingbird

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Dothan Burger wrote on 2023-10-18, 01:26:
mockingbird wrote on 2023-08-18, 15:17:

Are any of you able to bench Quake 3 for me on an nVidia PCIe card on Windows 98 please? Thanks

98SE \ Core 2 Duo T7600@ 2.33 \ 7950GT 512 \ 82.69 Quake3 1024/768 580 FPS

That is quite low... With 98SE \ Core 2 Duo E8500 @ 3Ghz \ 7800GTX \ 77.72 Quake3 1024/768 I get 825 FPS, all graphics options maxxed. And that's with DEMO001 which is more graphically intensive than FOUR.

82.69 isn't a viable driver for 98SE, in my opinion. It's not good enough for normal use. The 7800GTX should be considered the fastest 98SE card because it the last card to work with 77.72 (with the modified NVCORE.VXD for 512MB VRAM).

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Reply 64 of 86, by Dothan Burger

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mockingbird wrote on 2023-10-18, 01:42:
Dothan Burger wrote on 2023-10-18, 01:26:
mockingbird wrote on 2023-08-18, 15:17:

Are any of you able to bench Quake 3 for me on an nVidia PCIe card on Windows 98 please? Thanks

98SE \ Core 2 Duo T7600@ 2.33 \ 7950GT 512 \ 82.69 Quake3 1024/768 580 FPS

That is quite low... With 98SE \ Core 2 Duo E8500 @ 3Ghz \ 7800GTX \ 77.72 Quake3 1024/768 I get 825 FPS, all graphics options maxxed. And that's with DEMO001 which is more graphically intensive than FOUR.

82.69 isn't a viable driver for 98SE, in my opinion. It's not good enough for normal use. The 7800GTX should be considered the fastest 98SE card because it the last card to work with 77.72 (with the modified NVCORE.VXD for 512MB VRAM).

I bet if you cut your FSB in half and went single channel it would probably be in the ball park.

Reply 65 of 86, by DarthSun

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Old thread, but here is my madness variation.
Peak: QFX3500(7900GS) and XpertVision 7900GS to Win98SE

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The 3 body problems cannot be solved, neither for future quantum computers, even for the remainder of the universe. The Proton 2D is circling a planet and stepping back to the quantum size in 11 dimensions.

Reply 66 of 86, by MrSegfault

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Quick tip for anyone that's getting graphics driver installation error saying that setup cannot find your 7xxx graphics card and that the setup will terminate. Extract the installation files then install NVAML.INF through the device manager driver wizard.
You can make a BAT file with the following prompts to extract required installation files. Place it in the directory the modded drivers setup file resides in.

@ECHO OFF
IF NOT EXIST C:\TEMP\NUL MD C:\TEMP
NV8269.EXE /C /Q /T:C:\TEMP

After that, restart your computer and change your color depth to something higher than 8-bit.
You should see the Nvidia icon in the systray area.

( This was taken from the readme that was included with the unofficial drivers zip archive. Thought I'd put it here. )

Reply 67 of 86, by DarthSun

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MrSegfault wrote on 2025-07-10, 05:55:
Quick tip for anyone that's getting graphics driver installation error saying that setup cannot find your 7xxx graphics card and […]
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Quick tip for anyone that's getting graphics driver installation error saying that setup cannot find your 7xxx graphics card and that the setup will terminate. Extract the installation files then install NVAML.INF through the device manager driver wizard.
You can make a BAT file with the following prompts to extract required installation files. Place it in the directory the modded drivers setup file resides in.

@ECHO OFF
IF NOT EXIST C:\TEMP\NUL MD C:\TEMP
NV8269.EXE /C /Q /T:C:\TEMP

After that, restart your computer and change your color depth to something higher than 8-bit.
You should see the Nvidia icon in the systray area.

( This was taken from the readme that was included with the unofficial drivers zip archive. Thought I'd put it here. )

Yes, it only works for me based on INF.
I see I haven't even updated here yet - new cards...

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Reply 68 of 86, by DarthSun

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Update. 7900GTX, 7800GTX duo(QFX4500).
These have decent cooling already installed.

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Win98 3DM01 world record with 7900GTX.

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Reply 69 of 86, by DarthSun

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The 7900GTX was left outside the test bench for further testing. For final use, I installed it in the 7800GTX->R3800X

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and the other 7800GTX->FX8320 machine.

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Reply 70 of 86, by MrSegfault

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Does anyone know if it's normal or not for a 7900 GT to reach 60 degrees temperature on idle? I'm having this happening to me even after renewing the thermal compound.
I have to mention that I have a pentium-era case that has no intake. Could that be the reason why I'm getting these temps?

Reply 71 of 86, by chrismeyer6

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Yeah those cards need good airflow to stay cool. I had a 7950 GT that would idle in the upper 30s back in the day but I had a lot of airflow in and out of the case.

Reply 72 of 86, by agent_x007

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MrSegfault wrote on 2025-07-10, 16:06:

Does anyone know if it's normal or not for a 7900 GT to reach 60 degrees temperature on idle? I'm having this happening to me even after renewing the thermal compound.
I have to mention that I have a pentium-era case that has no intake. Could that be the reason why I'm getting these temps?

1) Make sure heatsink isn't clogged under metal cover plate.
2) No intake... isn't a good idea - try to get at one fan to do it regardless of GPU situation.

Reply 73 of 86, by MrSegfault

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agent_x007 wrote on 2025-07-10, 19:42:

1) Make sure heatsink isn't clogged under metal cover plate.
2) No intake... isn't a good idea - try to get at one fan to do it regardless of GPU situation.

1) I do notice some dust/debris build up between the copper heatsink. I'll take it apart and get rid of it.

2) I'm going to try some solutions in order to get some air intake on this pentium of case of mine.

- One of them being that I replace the side panel with one that contains a mount for a fan which I could use as intake.
- Another idea I have is to get one of those 5.25 bay hard drive coolers and use them to get some air in the case. Not sure how effective they are but we'll find out. Something like this maybe.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/235452404671

Reply 74 of 86, by H3nrik V!

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MrSegfault wrote on 2025-07-11, 06:12:
1) I do notice some dust/debris build up between the copper heatsink. I'll take it apart and get rid of it. […]
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agent_x007 wrote on 2025-07-10, 19:42:

1) Make sure heatsink isn't clogged under metal cover plate.
2) No intake... isn't a good idea - try to get at one fan to do it regardless of GPU situation.

1) I do notice some dust/debris build up between the copper heatsink. I'll take it apart and get rid of it.

2) I'm going to try some solutions in order to get some air intake on this pentium of case of mine.

- One of them being that I replace the side panel with one that contains a mount for a fan which I could use as intake.
- Another idea I have is to get one of those 5.25 bay hard drive coolers and use them to get some air in the case. Not sure how effective they are but we'll find out. Something like this maybe.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/235452404671

It will be noisy, but it will most definetely give some kind of improvement, though I suspect not much, since the fans are small and shallow, and probably most ideal to just cool a harddrive mounted in the rails.

If you have 2 5.25" slots to spare, you could drill a pattern and mount an 80 mm there - attaching one of my old casemods as an inspiration.

If you have (access to) a 3D printer, you might even print some ducted version or something?

If it's dual it's kind of cool ... 😎

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Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 75 of 86, by Archer57

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Well, i did this when i wanted some airflow in old case...

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I should probably add a grill, but exposed fan is not an issue for me here...

Reply 76 of 86, by DrLucienSanchez

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Are any of you using a 7 series card or G71 based quadro able to control the cards fan via software?

I'm using a Quadro FX 1500 with the 82.69 drivers in 98SE but unable to control the cooler fan via Riva Tuner, so it's running at 100% fan all the time, not ideal, fine in XP though. It allows me to chaange the fan percantage, save, but does not apply the setting.

Reply 77 of 86, by chrismeyer6

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Back when my BFG 7950 GT was new I used to use Speed Fan to control my system fans and it did work for that card as well.

Reply 78 of 86, by agent_x007

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DrLucienSanchez wrote on 2025-07-11, 16:09:

Are any of you using a 7 series card or G71 based quadro able to control the cards fan via software?

I'm using a Quadro FX 1500 with the 82.69 drivers in 98SE but unable to control the cooler fan via Riva Tuner, so it's running at 100% fan all the time, not ideal, fine in XP though. It allows me to chaange the fan percantage, save, but does not apply the setting.

Maybe try PowerStrip ?

Reply 79 of 86, by momaka

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MrSegfault wrote on 2025-07-10, 16:06:

Does anyone know if it's normal or not for a 7900 GT to reach 60 degrees temperature on idle? I'm having this happening to me even after renewing the thermal compound.

Is it a reference design with the reference cooler? If yes, I'd say this is about "normal"... well, maybe a bit on the high side, but I can definitely see it if your case is not well ventilated and if your room temperatures are higher this time of the year (summer.) Add dust from use, and that would do it.

In reality with these bumpgate era cards, you should keep it at 55C or less at full load if you want it to last at all.
To do that, step 1 would be to just get rid of that stock cooler and install something much bigger - dual slot preferred. Or maybe one of the large passive coolers and put a fan on it. Otherwise with the stock cooler, you can expect your full load temperatures to easily reach 75-80C, regardless of what kind of thermal paste you use or how much case cooling you add.

In plain words, the stock reference cooler really is shit on the 7900 GT and GS cards.
The 7950 GT does it a little better and has a slightly bigger cooler.... but it's still shit (I have one of these cards too.)
Now the 7900 GTX dual-slot cooler is what should have been installed on these cards. Supposedly the G71 core is around 90W max TDP on the 7900 GTX cards, so you can expect a little lower on the GT and GS models (perhaps in the 65-70W range for the 7950 GT/O, and 60-ish for the GT/GS.) With such TDP, only the dual slot reference cooler from the GTX is adequate. All the others are cheapskate stuff better suited for something like a GeForce 6200/7300/7600 GT at best.

DrLucienSanchez wrote on 2025-07-11, 16:09:

Are any of you using a 7 series card or G71 based quadro able to control the cards fan via software?

I'm using a Quadro FX 1500 with the 82.69 drivers in 98SE but unable to control the cooler fan via Riva Tuner, so it's running at 100% fan all the time, not ideal, fine in XP though. It allows me to chaange the fan percantage, save, but does not apply the setting.

If you can't change the fan in WinXP, then it's possible your card may not even have the necessary electrical components for fan control. FWIW, I have a Gigabyte 7900 GT that came stock with a Zalman VF-700 cooler, and the components (inductor, 2 transistors, and several resistors and caps) are missing from the PCB, so I can't control its fan.

That said, check your card. If you don't see a small SMD inductor near the fan connector and if your fan is a 2-wire fan, then your card might have the fan control circuit not installed / bypassed. Though from what I can see from pictures of a stock nVidia reference Quadro FX 1500, there is a small inductor near the fan connector, so that card should have fan control.
Perhaps try MSI Afterburner (under XP) and also try different driver versions, in case the ones you're running with have something that prevents fan control. With MSI Afterbuern, you should even be able to set a custom fan curve. I do that to a lot of my XP cards, since the stock fan profile on most cards (both nVidia and ATI/AMD) tend to wait waaayy to long and cook the card before ramping up the fan... resulting in a dead card down the road.

And just to note here... the reference QFX 1500 appears to use the same design as the reference 7900 GS cards. I have a few if the latter - namely two dead ones (BFG and nVidia stock one) and a working one (PNY). On my PNY 7900 GS, I can control the fan via MSI Afterburner and Riva Tuner... though, that's pretty useless, as even the fan running full tilt @ 100%, I can't keep the GPU cool enough to prevent the card from going near the bumpgate danger zone temperatures. So I've ripped the stock cooler on that one and added an Xbox 360 CPU heatsink for the time being. It's a bit... bulky. 🤣 But it works pretty well with an 80 mm fan.
Well, an ugly working card is better than a "nice looking" dead one. I have too many wall pieces as it is already, so I'm trying to keep my working card working for as long as possible.