One thing you could do with those cards on a system like this is explore CPU scaling. If you throttle the P4 down as low as it will go (msred.com...) you'll be about period correct for mid 1990s. Then you could increase CPU step by step and see how the performance changes. In DOS I'd expect it to be pretty linear until the PCI bus is bottlenecking you, but in Windows 9x things could be more interesting.

Danger Manfred wrote on 2025-07-14, 07:28:

I built a system around this board:

https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/ipox-tech-ip-4gvi83

What would you do with this?

no "1x ADD (add-on card AGP)" possible ?

without that it could be something interesting for a non gaming PC - i'd be tempted with a 98se and xp dual boot, with 98 giving options for older cards and some interesting retro programming and old software generally and XP for 'new' software and development tools, of the early 2000's. So a kind of 90's and 2000's dual retro systems focussed on non game stuff

and of course testing things, as dionb suggested, can also be interesting

Honestly IMO from retro gaming perspective such system is kind of useless. I mean you could use the fastest PCI card you can find and make it W98 machine, but there are no real advantages to it.

If you have any other use though, unrelated to GPU, it can likely do that just fine.

At the end of the day I guess it might just not be the system for me.

The only "ADD (add-on card AGP)" it would accept is some DVI video output card for the IGP, but not actual AGP graphics cards.

And since I'm not that old, I don't really have any nostalgia for 90s programming.

It's cool that this allows the use of 3 ISA sound cards, but so do my Slot-1 and Socket 7 boards. And I also have a socket 370, Slot-A and socket 462 board with an ISA slot each, which isn't perfect, but in my opinion still way better for my actual use case - retro*gaming*.

I guess I'll look for someone who'd actually use this and make a fair trade that makes two people happy.

The P4 HT probably deserves to be on a more capable board

I don't get it, there is clearly an AGP slot in the picture at your link so what gives

maxtherabbit wrote on 2025-07-14, 12:29:

I don't get it, there is clearly an AGP slot in the picture at your link so what gives

ADD slot, not AGP

Matth79 wrote on 2025-07-14, 13:17:

maxtherabbit wrote on 2025-07-14, 12:29:

I don't get it, there is clearly an AGP slot in the picture at your link so what gives

ADD slot, not AGP

From site: 1x ADD (add-on card AGP)

Which is the weirdest way of saying AGP ever, but it is totally an AGP slot:

So I started doubting myself, looked into the whole ADD thing, and well, I was wrong! Despite the AGP1 label on the board, that is indeed not a normal AGP slot! It's for adding a digital display (DVI?) output from the integrated graphics. I had no idea such a thing existed. 😅

I'd like to share my thoughts on this motherboard.

I think that, even without an AGP slot, the card is excellent for retro gaming.

The integrated Intel graphics offer sufficient VGA and SVGA performance for most older DOS games (especially games released in the 1990s).

Given the available PCI slots, it's possible to use a 3D accelerator such as Voodoo1 or Voodoo2 to improve 3D gaming performance in DOS and Win9x. In addition, you can replace the integrated graphics with a more powerful PCI graphics card (3dfx, nVidia, ATI, Matrox, and more) for a better experience in Windows 9x.

The ISA slots (thanks to the ITE IT8888F bridge chip) ensure full compatibility with older sound cards.

Finally, with a little patience and the right software, you can create a truly impressive time machine.

Thanks for your time 😉

Standard Def Steve wrote on 2025-07-14, 15:10:

From site: 1x ADD (add-on card AGP) Which is the weirdest way of saying AGP ever, but it is totally an AGP slot: […]
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Matth79 wrote on 2025-07-14, 13:17:

maxtherabbit wrote on 2025-07-14, 12:29:

I don't get it, there is clearly an AGP slot in the picture at your link so what gives

ADD slot, not AGP

From site: 1x ADD (add-on card AGP)

Which is the weirdest way of saying AGP ever, but it is totally an AGP slot:

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So I started doubting myself, looked into the whole ADD thing, and well, I was wrong! Despite the AGP1 label on the board, that is indeed not a normal AGP slot! It's for adding a digital display (DVI?) output from the integrated graphics. I had no idea such a thing existed. 😅

Is that a pic of your board?

I ask because there's a bulging cap right above the fake agp slot, I bet others will start to bulge soon.

EDIT - Never mind I see it's a screengrab from theretroweb.

Standard Def Steve wrote on 2025-07-14, 15:10:

So I started doubting myself, looked into the whole ADD thing, and well, I was wrong! Despite the AGP1 label on the board, that is indeed not a normal AGP slot! It's for adding a digital display (DVI?) output from the integrated graphics. I had no idea such a thing existed. 😅

Yeah, each time you see something that looks like AGP but is called something different by manufacturer - something is wrong. AGP connector was used for a bunch of junk, from fake AGP (PCI) slots on early pci-e boards to using the connector for totally unrelated reasons like RAM expansion board.

Pentium 4 socket 478 boards I dont quite know what to do with them either.
They make semi decent Win98 systems, but poor XP systems.

Archer57 wrote on Yesterday, 00:13:

Standard Def Steve wrote on 2025-07-14, 15:10:

So I started doubting myself, looked into the whole ADD thing, and well, I was wrong! Despite the AGP1 label on the board, that is indeed not a normal AGP slot! It's for adding a digital display (DVI?) output from the integrated graphics. I had no idea such a thing existed. 😅

Yeah, each time you see something that looks like AGP but is called something different by manufacturer - something is wrong. AGP connector was used for a bunch of junk, from fake AGP (PCI) slots on early pci-e boards to using the connector for totally unrelated reasons like RAM expansion board.

That's the thing though--the ADD slot is labelled "AGP1" on the motherboard itself! You'd have to look at the manual or board specs to know that it's not an AGP slot.
If I were to stumble upon one of these boards, I'd totally just install an AGP card without even giving it a second thought...and possibly damage the board and/or GPU as a result!

Standard Def Steve wrote on Yesterday, 21:57:

Archer57 wrote on Yesterday, 00:13:

Standard Def Steve wrote on 2025-07-14, 15:10:

So I started doubting myself, looked into the whole ADD thing, and well, I was wrong! Despite the AGP1 label on the board, that is indeed not a normal AGP slot! It's for adding a digital display (DVI?) output from the integrated graphics. I had no idea such a thing existed. 😅

Yeah, each time you see something that looks like AGP but is called something different by manufacturer - something is wrong. AGP connector was used for a bunch of junk, from fake AGP (PCI) slots on early pci-e boards to using the connector for totally unrelated reasons like RAM expansion board.

That's the thing though--the ADD slot is labelled "AGP1" on the motherboard itself! You'd have to look at the manual or board specs to know that it's not an AGP slot.
If I were to stumble upon one of these boards, I'd totally just install an AGP card without even giving it a second thought...and possibly damage the board and/or GPU as a result!

ive got a 478 IBM netvista board thats the same, its down to the useless chipset which is an 845GL or 845GV i forget, i plugged in a few AGP cards no damage occured, turns out its only for an AGP DVI card for the onboard intel extreme graphics for dual monitors.

heres a post on a few of these gimped chipsets
Re: Why 478 and not 775?

supposedly there are variants which do support AGP, i wonder whether its possible to just swap the northbridge, apparently the bios can detect if the chipset is AGP compatible.