my friends how big is the penality on using a gf4 4600 with a k6-3+? 5%? 10%? more?

schlang wrote on 2025-08-09, 03:08:

my friends how big is the penality on using a gf4 4600 with a k6-3+? 5%? 10%? more?

extreme, i would say that the k6-3+ would only unleash less than a quarter of the ti4600's full power.

ok let me rephrase my question: will my system be faster if I replace the gf4 with a gf3, and if so how much?

Gf3 and gf4 have the same features.
I guess in dx8 games gf4 will be faster.
In benchmarks like 3dMark 2000, not at all.
But I guess you do not live to reach the better score in benchmarks (?).

If you have a good GeForce 4Ti that works well in your system, stick with it.

If you want to see better scores, you need a GeForce 3, not because it is faster, but because it is compatible with older drivers with far lesser overhead that will behave better with poor AGP implementation of SS7.

schlang wrote on 2025-08-09, 12:50:

ok let me rephrase my question: will my system be faster if I replace the gf4 with a gf3, and if so how much?

i don't think it will be, but driver version matters.
in a general trend, older drivers are more friendly to slow cpus, while newer drivers will sometimes run faster with a very fast cpu, and are often needed to run newer games.
for k6 cpus and geforce256 to geforce4, i think 30.82 is a generally suitable version.

K6-III+ / R9800Pro is the real deal in this era. The rest is just a fairy tale.

DarthSun wrote on 2025-08-09, 18:58:

K6-III+ / R9800Pro is the real deal in this era. The rest is just a fairy tale.

I have yet to see a (really) working 9800 pro on a SS7 system.
Not sure what you mean…

Mamba wrote on 2025-08-09, 13:38:

Gf3 and gf4 have the same features. I guess in dx8 games gf4 will be faster. In benchmarks like 3dMark 2000, not at all. But I g […]
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Gf3 and gf4 have the same features.
I guess in dx8 games gf4 will be faster.
In benchmarks like 3dMark 2000, not at all.
But I guess you do not live to reach the better score in benchmarks (?).

If you have a good GeForce 4Ti that works well in your system, stick with it.

If you want to see better scores, you need a GeForce 3, not because it is faster, but because it is compatible with older drivers with far lesser overhead that will behave better with poor AGP implementation of SS7.

nah idc about benchmarks, I did that back in 1999 and 2000 when we had nothing else to do.
thank you my friend, I will just keep the gf4 because it has dual head and outputs both vga and dvi at the same time

Mamba wrote on 2025-08-09, 21:27:

DarthSun wrote on 2025-08-09, 18:58:

K6-III+ / R9800Pro is the real deal in this era. The rest is just a fairy tale.

I have yet to see a (really) working 9800 pro on a SS7 system.
Not sure what you mean…

Didn't you see...? I already published it in 2021:
https://logout.hu/bejegyzes/darthsun_a_legval … sztek_es_k.html

Sorry but this is cherry picking to me.
You were successful in 2021 with your MVP3G2 and 9800pro combination.
This does not mean that it can be done on a regular basis with any SS7 motherboard.
At all.

Mamba wrote on 2025-08-10, 06:09:

Sorry but this is cherry picking to me. You were successful in 2021 with your MVP3G2 and 9800pro combination. This does not mean […]
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Sorry but this is cherry picking to me.
You were successful in 2021 with your MVP3G2 and 9800pro combination.
This does not mean that it can be done on a regular basis with any SS7 motherboard.
At all.

For example, the R9800Pro doesn't work on the P5A-B, it doesn't even give a picture, but it does on all other SS7 motherboards.

DarthSun wrote on 2025-08-10, 11:41:

Mamba wrote on 2025-08-10, 06:09:

Sorry but this is cherry picking to me. You were successful in 2021 with your MVP3G2 and 9800pro combination. This does not mean […]
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Sorry but this is cherry picking to me.
You were successful in 2021 with your MVP3G2 and 9800pro combination.
This does not mean that it can be done on a regular basis with any SS7 motherboard.
At all.

For example, the R9800Pro doesn't work on the P5A-B, it doesn't even give a picture, but it does on all other SS7 motherboards.

Ok,
Show me your SS7 system with a working 9800pro.

Mamba wrote on 2025-08-10, 12:00:

DarthSun wrote on 2025-08-10, 11:41:

Mamba wrote on 2025-08-10, 06:09:

Sorry but this is cherry picking to me. You were successful in 2021 with your MVP3G2 and 9800pro combination. This does not mean […]
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Sorry but this is cherry picking to me.
You were successful in 2021 with your MVP3G2 and 9800pro combination.
This does not mean that it can be done on a regular basis with any SS7 motherboard.
At all.

For example, the R9800Pro doesn't work on the P5A-B, it doesn't even give a picture, but it does on all other SS7 motherboards.

Ok,
Show me your SS7 system with a working 9800pro.

You can find it at the link to the article, but there are also direct pictures:

It is again the mvp3g2 from your test in 2021.
You said the 9800pro works everywhere.
I do not think so.

Mamba wrote on 2025-08-10, 12:42:

It is again the mvp3g2 from your test in 2021.
You said the 9800pro works everywhere.
I do not think so.

I wrote that it doesn't start in P5A-B. It works in my other boards.
The other boards:
Mentioned: Epox MVP3G2 - ok
- Epox MVP3C2 - works
- PCChips M577 - works
- Shuttle HOT591 - works
- Soltek SL54U5 - works

schlang wrote on 2025-08-09, 12:50:

ok let me rephrase my question: will my system be faster if I replace the gf4 with a gf3, and if so how much?

gf2 and gf3 with the right driver are among the fastest cards (with the right driver) that you can possibly run on a k6-3+ as far as 3dmark is conserned.

I however have had basically zero luck getting them to work. My go to are radeon 7500, 9200, 9250, 9800 pro

Mobo and card combos that work together are hit and miss. I have made several systems with luck for 9800pro but indeed, not all like it. That goes for any card though.

9250 and 7500 seem to work in the most mobos in my experience