DarthSun wrote on 2025-08-28, 01:59:

It is variable, very config-dependent. Also, the way Win98 is installed also matters a lot. I have often written about the insta […]
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WangYouGX wrote on 2025-08-27, 09:20:

DarthSun wrote on 2025-03-08, 22:36:

And the Win98/3DM01 world record was born:

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I recently ran a 3dmark01 test on a z390+i3-9350KF+7900GTX and it scored 89,000 on Windows XP, but only 40,000 on Windows 98. I don't know why. I ran a 3dmark01 test on a z87+i3-4370+7900GTX+Win98 and it scored 62,000. Please help.

It is variable, very config-dependent. Also, the way Win98 is installed also matters a lot.
I have often written about the installation process in the Hungarian topic.
I will soon look at Win98 on an X299 config.

Could you please forward the link to me so I can learn how to install it? Thank you, and I look forward to your upcoming X299 world record.

WangYouGX wrote on 2025-08-28, 06:49:

DarthSun wrote on 2025-08-28, 01:59:

It is variable, very config-dependent. Also, the way Win98 is installed also matters a lot. I have often written about the insta […]
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WangYouGX wrote on 2025-08-27, 09:20:

I recently ran a 3dmark01 test on a z390+i3-9350KF+7900GTX and it scored 89,000 on Windows XP, but only 40,000 on Windows 98. I don't know why. I ran a 3dmark01 test on a z87+i3-4370+7900GTX+Win98 and it scored 62,000. Please help.

It is variable, very config-dependent. Also, the way Win98 is installed also matters a lot.
I have often written about the installation process in the Hungarian topic.
I will soon look at Win98 on an X299 config.

Could you please forward the link to me so I can learn how to install it? Thank you, and I look forward to your upcoming X299 world record.

They are in Hungarian, but Google Translate is already good enough.
Excerpts:
Retro machine: https://logout.hu/tema/amd_k6-iii/hsz_69831-69831.html
Modern: https://logout.hu/tema/amd_k6-iii/hsz_121260-121260.html
Addon: https://logout.hu/tema/amd_k6-iii/hsz_74744-74744.html

DarthSun wrote on 2025-08-28, 16:23:

They are in Hungarian, but Google Translate is already good enough. Excerpts: Retro machine: https://logout.hu/tema/amd_k6-iii/h […]
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WangYouGX wrote on 2025-08-28, 06:49:

DarthSun wrote on 2025-08-28, 01:59:

It is variable, very config-dependent. Also, the way Win98 is installed also matters a lot.
I have often written about the installation process in the Hungarian topic.
I will soon look at Win98 on an X299 config.

Could you please forward the link to me so I can learn how to install it? Thank you, and I look forward to your upcoming X299 world record.

They are in Hungarian, but Google Translate is already good enough.
Excerpts:
Retro machine: https://logout.hu/tema/amd_k6-iii/hsz_69831-69831.html
Modern: https://logout.hu/tema/amd_k6-iii/hsz_121260-121260.html
Addon: https://logout.hu/tema/amd_k6-iii/hsz_74744-74744.html

ok, ok, thank you, I am in East Asia, I have been using translation tools to read technical documents for a long time

Later hardware for win98 has some quality of life improvements, like better heatsink retention, better coolers available, working USB 2.0, compatibility with SATA drives... Just to name a few.

DarthSun wrote on 2025-03-07, 12:43:

It is variable, very config-dependent. Also, the way Win98 is installed also matters a lot.
I have often written about the installation process in the Hungarian topic.
I will soon look at Win98 on an X299 config.

Thanks for the tip, the air-cooled 7900GTX probably won't break 80,000 points.

nd22 wrote on 2025-02-07, 06:22:

I switched to XP in 2004 when I bought Athlon 64 and 512mb of ram and to this day I still consider it the best version of Windows ever; but you need lots of ram for it - 512 is the bare minimum.

That was my experience too. Another issue with the RAM requirement was those new machines with 256MB, and Windows XP Home encouraging the fast user switching feature even though such a machine didn't realistically have enough RAM to make it worthwhile. It really took 512MB to regain the ability to switch between two programs (say, Word and IE) without causing a burst of disk activity, as you could previously do on your 128MB Win98SE machine.

I think another factor is the migration from dialup to broadband. At least in the US, dialup remained more common than broadband until some time in 2005ish (https://www.pewresearch.org/chart/broadband-v … tion-over-time/) and in mid-2006 which would have lined up with the 98SE EOL (not that home users cared about such things at the time) was still almost a quarter of connections. So going from some 128MB Pentium III running 98SE to some 256MB Pentium 4 running XP, just to run IE6 on dialup in both cases anyway, would have been pointless, as time is dominated by sitting there waiting for pages to load. I guess it would crash less though, which would be nice, even if it was perceptibly slower.

WangYouGX wrote on 2025-09-17, 20:11:

DarthSun wrote on 2025-03-07, 12:43:

It is variable, very config-dependent. Also, the way Win98 is installed also matters a lot.
I have often written about the installation process in the Hungarian topic.
I will soon look at Win98 on an X299 config.

Thanks for the tip, the air-cooled 7900GTX probably won't break 80,000 points.

Nice!!!
I won't be able to do this, my 7900GTX is dead.

I ran an HD6870 today as a warm-up, at base clock under XP:
CPU 10C20T :

CPU 4C4T :

DarthSun wrote on 2025-09-17, 22:22:

Nice!!! https://cdn.rios.hu/dl/upc/2025-02/16/225621_zwxywryxuff9qvxu_smiley_png179.png I won't be able to do this, my 7900GTX […]
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Nice!!!
I won't be able to do this, my 7900GTX is dead.

I ran an HD6870 today as a warm-up, at base clock under XP:
CPU 10C20T :

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CPU 4C4T :

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3DMark01 doesn't necessarily mean newer graphics cards score higher. My 1050Ti scores lower than my 8800GTS (G92). This has a lot to do with CPU single-core performance, memory access speed, GPU core performance, and VRAM performance. Newer graphics cards seem to be "lazy" in 3DMark01 and don't reach their full potential. My G92 performs quite well.

DarthSun wrote on 2025-09-17, 22:22:

Nice!!! https://cdn.rios.hu/dl/upc/2025-02/16/225621_zwxywryxuff9qvxu_smiley_png179.png I won't be able to do this, my 7900GTX […]
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WangYouGX wrote on 2025-09-17, 20:11:

DarthSun wrote on 2025-03-07, 12:43:

It is variable, very config-dependent. Also, the way Win98 is installed also matters a lot.
I have often written about the installation process in the Hungarian topic.
I will soon look at Win98 on an X299 config.

Thanks for the tip, the air-cooled 7900GTX probably won't break 80,000 points.

Nice!!!
I won't be able to do this, my 7900GTX is dead.

I ran an HD6870 today as a warm-up, at base clock under XP:
CPU 10C20T :

The attachment 7900X_HD6870_3DM01_3_3GHz_10C20T.JPG is no longer available

CPU 4C4T :

The attachment 7900X_HD6870_3DM01_3_3GHz_4C4T.JPG is no longer available

Don't be sad, 7900GTX is very cheap now, you can consider buying another one and try Win98 with your X299+DDR4

WangYouGX wrote on 2025-09-18, 02:27:

DarthSun wrote on 2025-09-17, 22:22:

Nice!!! https://cdn.rios.hu/dl/upc/2025-02/16/225621_zwxywryxuff9qvxu_smiley_png179.png I won't be able to do this, my 7900GTX […]
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Nice!!!
I won't be able to do this, my 7900GTX is dead.

I ran an HD6870 today as a warm-up, at base clock under XP:
CPU 10C20T :

The attachment 7900X_HD6870_3DM01_3_3GHz_10C20T.JPG is no longer available

CPU 4C4T :

The attachment 7900X_HD6870_3DM01_3_3GHz_4C4T.JPG is no longer available

3DMark01 doesn't necessarily mean newer graphics cards score higher. My 1050Ti scores lower than my 8800GTS (G92). This has a lot to do with CPU single-core performance, memory access speed, GPU core performance, and VRAM performance. Newer graphics cards seem to be "lazy" in 3DMark01 and don't reach their full potential. My G92 performs quite well.

That's true, I've experienced it too.

WangYouGX wrote on 2025-09-18, 02:36:

DarthSun wrote on 2025-09-17, 22:22:

Nice!!! https://cdn.rios.hu/dl/upc/2025-02/16/225621_zwxywryxuff9qvxu_smiley_png179.png I won't be able to do this, my 7900GTX […]
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WangYouGX wrote on 2025-09-17, 20:11:

Thanks for the tip, the air-cooled 7900GTX probably won't break 80,000 points.

Nice!!!
I won't be able to do this, my 7900GTX is dead.

I ran an HD6870 today as a warm-up, at base clock under XP:
CPU 10C20T :

The attachment 7900X_HD6870_3DM01_3_3GHz_10C20T.JPG is no longer available

CPU 4C4T :

The attachment 7900X_HD6870_3DM01_3_3GHz_4C4T.JPG is no longer available

Don't be sad, 7900GTX is very cheap now, you can consider buying another one and try Win98 with your X299+DDR4

I'll try to fix it first.