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First post, by justin1985

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Since I got into retro PCs I've been obsessed with getting the smallest possible systems that tick all the boxes for Win98, XP, etc. I've accumulated a few of CRD-style "little guys" - Point of Sale and industrial PCs, as well as ITX systems. But I've had an itch for a mini PC with the full set of external drives - optical and floppy.

The earliest VIA EPIA ITX systems are great as Win98 era retro PCs in most ways, but even the very first ones (that even have native SoundBlaster emulation) never had a floppy drive controller. Not the end of the world, but there are plenty of situations where you realise a boot floppy would get you out of a pickle etc. So I've been looking for ITX boards with a floppy controller - and finding that they're incredibly rare!

Most of the ITX boards listed on The Retro Web with a floppy connector are simply listed in error, but I eventually found the iBase MB896 - a Socket 479 (Pentium M) board based on the Intel 915 chipset, which has oodles of connectivity, including a 26-pin slim floppy connector! The downside is that the Intel 915 only has Win9x driver support for the core chipset functions - not for graphics (I did find a hacked driver that works for 2D desktop, but nothing 3D). So a PCI graphics card is necessary.

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I'd already tracked down this little ITX case as part of a dead cheap i3 PC on eBay - it's branded for Novatech, a medium sized UK PC builder / parts retailer. What attracted me to it was the fact it had a 5.25" drive bay, which came with a bracket fitted for a 3.5" drive plus slim optical - however the slim optical fitting clearly needed a bespoke adapter/clip that wasn't supplied, so it was easier to just 3D print a new adapter. The case also has a FlexATX internal power supply, space for a full-length half-height PCI card, or a short but full height card via a riser. There's even a proper 2.5" drive cage.

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As the 915 chipset Intel graphics aren't supported in Win9x (and not exactly a great performer in Win2k/XP), I was keen to add a PCI graphics card. Narrowing it down to PCI, Win9x compatibility, and half-height, it seemed like the only options are Nvidia Quadro NVS 280, and Matrox G550 / P650. I got hold of a Quadro NVS 280 quite cheaply, although it turned up really warped! It really worries me for the BGA solder joints, but it works, for now at least.

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The Quadro gets really hot though, and it is passively cooled. In this case configuration, it is really tucked away with basically no airflow. With the drive cage installed, and the case cross-bar in place, the PCI card ends up basically in its own little compartment!

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I figure I really should replace the passive cooler (probably not enough clearance to strap a fan onto the existing heatsink) - but I guess the fan would have to be powered from a Molex connector?

Or replace it with a Matrox card - they seem to be actively cooled - but I guess that wouldn't perform as well in games?

Reply 1 of 7, by Dothan Burger

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Very neat compact little setup you've got there. I love those little ITX industrial boards so many ports and features it seems like the possibilities are endless. My first try at a little ITX windows 98 system used a very similar board but it had full size 16x PCI_E that had limited compatibility with graphics cards. The sound chip was the same ALC655 that had SB emulation in windows and paired with the Yamaha software midi worked pretty good.

I wonder if you could sneak a PCI_E riser around the graphics card for a Sound blaster live in that top full-size slot.

If I had that setup this would be my choice for graphics cards but it's totally impractical for most people.

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A half-height Voodoo 4500.

Reply 2 of 7, by justin1985

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Dothan Burger wrote on 2025-09-28, 12:40:

Very neat compact little setup you've got there. I love those little ITX industrial boards so many ports and features it seems like the possibilities are endless. My first try at a little ITX windows 98 system used a very similar board but it had full size 16x PCI_E that had limited compatibility with graphics cards. The sound chip was the same ALC655 that had SB emulation in windows and paired with the Yamaha software midi worked pretty good.

I wonder if you could sneak a PCI_E riser around the graphics card for a Sound blaster live in that top full-size slot.

Many thanks! The PCIe x1 slot is clearly intended to be used with a riser isn't it? It looks like there are some PCIe x1 risers that might just sneak beneath the Quadro, but alas all the PCIe to PCI types seem to have a more substantial PCB on the PCIe end. I had hoped there might be some way to use a card in the miniPCI slot to break out to a second PCI slot on a riser, but although I found some references to such a thing having existed, they seem to be unobtainium 🙁

I guess the PCIe versions of the SoundBlaster (Audigy etc) aren't going to be supported by the Win9x drivers? (The PCBs of all of them look a bit too long to fit behind the optical drive too)

Dothan Burger wrote on 2025-09-28, 12:40:

If I had that setup this would be my choice for graphics cards but it's totally impractical for most people.

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A half-height Voodoo 4500.

Wow, I had no idea this had been created! But at $370, that is pretty pricey ... and at the end of the day, a Voodoo 4/5 is probably still going to struggle to beat a Matrox G550 let alone a Quadro 280 (FX 5200)?

Reply 3 of 7, by Dothan Burger

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justin1985 wrote on 2025-09-28, 13:58:
Many thanks! The PCIe x1 slot is clearly intended to be used with a riser isn't it? It looks like there are some PCIe x1 risers […]
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Dothan Burger wrote on 2025-09-28, 12:40:

Very neat compact little setup you've got there. I love those little ITX industrial boards so many ports and features it seems like the possibilities are endless. My first try at a little ITX windows 98 system used a very similar board but it had full size 16x PCI_E that had limited compatibility with graphics cards. The sound chip was the same ALC655 that had SB emulation in windows and paired with the Yamaha software midi worked pretty good.

I wonder if you could sneak a PCI_E riser around the graphics card for a Sound blaster live in that top full-size slot.

Many thanks! The PCIe x1 slot is clearly intended to be used with a riser isn't it? It looks like there are some PCIe x1 risers that might just sneak beneath the Quadro, but alas all the PCIe to PCI types seem to have a more substantial PCB on the PCIe end. I had hoped there might be some way to use a card in the miniPCI slot to break out to a second PCI slot on a riser, but although I found some references to such a thing having existed, they seem to be unobtainium 🙁

I guess the PCIe versions of the SoundBlaster (Audigy etc) aren't going to be supported by the Win9x drivers? (The PCBs of all of them look a bit too long to fit behind the optical drive too)

Dothan Burger wrote on 2025-09-28, 12:40:

If I had that setup this would be my choice for graphics cards but it's totally impractical for most people.

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A half-height Voodoo 4500.

Wow, I had no idea this had been created! But at $370, that is pretty pricey ... and at the end of the day, a Voodoo 4/5 is probably still going to struggle to beat a Matrox G550 let alone a Quadro 280 (FX 5200)?

I have no idea how to quote individual lines like you've done so I apologize.

I looked for so long through Chinese suppliers websites that showed a flexible cable Mini PCI to full PCI adapter but was unable to order as I couldn't read or understand the ordering process. I ended up ordering a Mini PCI to PCI adapter from a Canadian company Amfeltec that converted to PCI-E and then back (really complicated and expensive) And it didn't work 🙁

There are no PCI-E creative cards that will work in 98. There is a cheap PCI_E sound card on ebay with the CMI8738 chipset that one youtuber was able to get working but Philscomputerlab was unable to replicate. Similar to this one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/286834655774?_skw=pc … ABk9SR4a2oY6yZg

I really don't know how fast the G550 is but the specs on techpowerup look really comparable minus the Vertex shader the 4500 lacks. I scored about 2400 in 3dmark2001. The Quadro is probably a good deal faster though.

Reply 4 of 7, by justin1985

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Dothan Burger wrote on 2025-09-28, 15:30:

I have no idea how to quote individual lines like you've done so I apologize.

I just use the quote button, delete the bits I don't want, then repeat to quote a different bit 😀

Dothan Burger wrote on 2025-09-28, 15:30:
justin1985 wrote on 2025-09-28, 13:58:

I looked for so long through Chinese suppliers websites that showed a flexible cable Mini PCI to full PCI adapter but was unable to order as I couldn't read or understand the ordering process. I ended up ordering a Mini PCI to PCI adapter from a Canadian company Amfeltec that converted to PCI-E and then back (really complicated and expensive) And it didn't work 🙁

There are no PCI-E creative cards that will work in 98. There is a cheap PCI_E sound card on ebay with the CMI8738 chipset that one youtuber was able to get working but Philscomputerlab was unable to replicate. Similar to this one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/286834655774?_skw=pc … ABk9SR4a2oY6yZg

I really don't know how fast the G550 is but the specs on techpowerup look really comparable minus the Vertex shader the 4500 lacks. I scored about 2400 in 3dmark2001. The Quadro is probably a good deal faster though.

Thanks for sharing your research on this! I had noticed the Amfeltec adapter, but "request a quote" scared me off! I'm resigned to the AC97 audio being good enough on this little system (I also have some other PCs better suited for DOS sound). There's also SBEMU too!

The Quadro 280 got a 3DMark Score of 4574 on this system. Was your score of 2400 from the Voodoo or the G550? (and with what CPU?)

Reply 5 of 7, by RetroPCCupboard

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Very nice litte retro box. I am. Also building some small PCs. But I am going for Micro ATX. Much less limiting than ITX. I have a 933Mhz Pentium III, Geforce 2 Ti VX and Aureal Vortex 2 soundcard. Will have floppy drive and CD drive.

Also making another with Pentium MMX @100Mhz, ISA Video card, Soundblaster Pro 2, 2.5" and 5 25" floppy drives. Will be used as a pseudo 386 machine for old DOS games.

Reply 6 of 7, by Dothan Burger

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justin1985 wrote on 2025-09-28, 21:05:

Thanks for sharing your research on this! I had noticed the Amfeltec adapter, but "request a quote" scared me off! I'm resigned to the AC97 audio being good enough on this little system (I also have some other PCs better suited for DOS sound). There's also SBEMU too!

The Quadro 280 got a 3DMark Score of 4574 on this system. Was your score of 2400 from the Voodoo or the G550? (and with what CPU?)

2400 was that Voodoo and a Core2duo T7600 laptop chip, So not comparable but I don't think the Pentium M 780 I used would be far behind.

Interesting thing about i915 is that many boards have a jumper to overclock the FSB from 400 to 533. So Banias was easy to overclock, I tried the same with a 400 fsb Dothan but it wasn't stable. Maybe a BSEL mod might be able to do the same if your board doesn't have that jumper.

I agree with leaving the AC97 though, it's good enough and you won't waste money on needless adapters that may not work.

Reply 7 of 7, by bZbZbZ

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Nice system! I have the exact same case, I got it as surplus from some dental clinic. I "Google Lensed" it and found the same Novatech search result...

In my case it came with a Core i5-650 on an Intel Desktop Board. I added a low profile Radeon 5450 PCIe x16, a SATA SSD, and installed Windows XP. It ran early Windows XP era games and late 9x games surprisingly well...