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Big Box PC Games – Show and Tell

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Reply 80 of 92, by dr_st

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chinny22 wrote on 2025-10-05, 09:30:
...the game's not that good. The box says "Race around Bathurst, Adelaide, Queensland, Melbourne and other international tracks […]
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...the game's not that good.
The box says "Race around Bathurst, Adelaide, Queensland, Melbourne and other international tracks.
Those first 4 tracks are the only Australian tracks so about half the championship tracks are missing.
And the international tracks? Famous ones such as Le-Mans or Nürburgring? Nope 4 Swedish tracks, why Swedish?
Because V8 Challenge is actually a reworked copy of "Swedish Touring Car Championship 2"

The game is also missing a lot of the teams but does have a few of the big ones including the Holden Factory Team which were the championship winners at the time.
So you have the number 1 team and the number 1 track, We could have made do.

Sadly the cars handle terribly and is unforgiving, even taking it easy you end up spinning alot. In the end we went back to Need for Speed 3,4, Even Porsche was more forgiving!

Interesting read! So EA took their existing Swedish game, replaced some of the tracks with Australian and shipped it? Why not replace all of them? Was it possible they had a license for just certain tracks but not for all of them, or was it simply a case of time constraints?

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Reply 81 of 92, by chinny22

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dr_st wrote on 2025-10-05, 20:23:

Interesting read! So EA took their existing Swedish game, replaced some of the tracks with Australian and shipped it? Why not replace all of them? Was it possible they had a license for just certain tracks but not for all of them, or was it simply a case of time constraints?

I suspect it was due to licensing more then time but that's just a guess on my part.
I may have to try the Swedish game as it apparently did quite well.
Maybe it's me but the handling in this game is terrible!

Reply 82 of 92, by Aui

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Really nice selection of games, Matchstick! But this isn't just a showcase thread, it's a show-n-tell, so you should say something about them too! 😁

Well, I will add a little triva for the first game on the shelf "Pool of Radiance". As everyone knows, it is the greatest CRPG of all time and for this reason alone there would be a lot to talk about. One of the things that is loosely related to this game is the Dungeons & Dragons module "Ruins of Adventure" (based on Pool of Radiance). So if you are interested in an additional detailed read to imerse yourself into the Lore of the Forgotten Realms with additional maps and background, you can get the D&D Book as an extended manual (unfortunately its too big to fit into the Box 😉 )

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Reply 83 of 92, by gerry

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Aui wrote on 2025-11-14, 05:28:
Well, I will add a little triva for the first game on the shelf "Pool of Radiance". As everyone knows, it is the greatest CRPG o […]
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Really nice selection of games, Matchstick! But this isn't just a showcase thread, it's a show-n-tell, so you should say something about them too! 😁

Well, I will add a little triva for the first game on the shelf "Pool of Radiance". As everyone knows, it is the greatest CRPG of all time and for this reason alone there would be a lot to talk about. One of the things that is loosely related to this game is the Dungeons & Dragons module "Ruins of Adventure" (based on Pool of Radiance). So if you are interested in an additional detailed read to imerse yourself into the Lore of the Forgotten Realms with additional maps and background, you can get the D&D Book as an extended manual (unfortunately its too big to fit into the Box 😉 )

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Nice to show that connection, there's quite a bit of AD&D in classic rpg games, from early to more recent times. Artwork looks great in this module

Reply 84 of 92, by Aui

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Yes, I very much like the artwork that came with the D&D books and adventures. A similar style of very nice illustrations also came with the " Fighting Fantasy" books by Steve Jackson Ian Livingstone. I love these books as well (although I am not sure if I ever honestly completed (won!) any one of their books. "Choose your own adventure" usually meant to start fighting rats

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before more serious encounters usually ended the adventure (is this my imagination or does this figure looks like the Baldurs Gate 1 villain...?)

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Reply 85 of 92, by dr_st

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Ah, D&D and Forgotten Realms. My own encounter with this lore is limited only to "The Legend of Drizzt" series by R.A. Salvatore. I definitely enjoyed those books, but the copies I own have no illustrations other than the cover art.

I do own boxed copies of Baldur's Gate (with the expansion) and Baldur's Gate II (without the expansion), but I only came by them through a relative who got them from a friend's friend who was cleaning their house.
They look nice on my shelf, but I haven't played them (at least not yet), and don't have any meaningful attachment to them or stories to share.

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Reply 86 of 92, by dr_st

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Just thought of another one of mine possibly worth mentioning.

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Rayman Gold (original UK Big Box release, 1997)

Rayman is one of my favorite game series, possibly the favorite. I have many physical copies, but this is the only "big box" in my collection. My Rayman 1 and Rayman 2 games probably came in boxes as well, but I have not kept these - only the CDs and manuals.

"Rayman Gold" is basically the original Rayman 1 game + the Rayman Designer expansion. The expansion is 24 original levels + the mapper which allowed you to build your own custom levels, and you could share them online back in the day. I never got into this aspect, but I did enjoy the new levels that came with the game. This release comes with a manual, and almost one half of it is dedicated to explaining how the map editor works and how to build new levels. Not many platformers back in the day offered anything like this.

I got this copy still shrink-wrapped on a very good sale a few years back. Nowadays they appear sometimes for ridiculously high prices. I wanted the original release, not just for the box and manual, but also because some later copies sold in the UK had buggy CDs with the audio tracks missing. Imagine playing the game with no music.

Another thing I only recently realized - the 3D Rayman model used in the box art is unique to this edition, and was never used in any other Rayman releases (that I know of), nor does it appear anywhere in the game. Most versions use the standard Rayman sprite.

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Reply 87 of 92, by Aui

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Great ! I never played Rayman at all - until your highly possitive evaluation above ($1.49 at GOG - what a bargain!). And wow - even just a few levels in I already like it a lot. This proves that in the DOS world there are always more hidden gems. Now I need to find me a physical copy...

Reply 88 of 92, by dr_st

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Aui wrote on 2025-11-26, 07:53:

Great ! I never played Rayman at all - until your highly possitive evaluation above ($1.49 at GOG - what a bargain!). And wow - even just a few levels in I already like it a lot. This proves that in the DOS world there are always more hidden gems. Now I need to find me a physical copy...

Indeed, GOG frequently has the series on sale. I bought most of the games there, despite already having multiple physical copies, just to have easy access to digital installers, with patches etc.

Rayman 1 is a very likeable game, but has got a reputation of being quite challenging, sometimes unfairly so, in certain spots. With that said, I managed to beat it as a teenager back in the day, and even though some sections took many attempts, I didn't feel all the hoo-ha about the difficulty. There are definitely many much more grueling platformers out there.

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Reply 89 of 92, by Aui

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Arctic Fox – not a Box

An early DYNAMIX title released by EA in a vinyl record LP – style. The size of the case is somewhere between a “Full LP” and a smaller “Single Record” The manual is usually in the front flap and the entire packing is illustrated with various cover art. Most notable is the idea to cast and promote the game developers together with their game. While I’m not so sure about the late 70s – early 80s rock star aesthetic, I certainly think that game developers in general should get more appreciation. While I like this style a lot, I think it only made sense as long as floppy disks really were kind of floppy. For neither cassette tapes nor 3.5-inch disks is the packing sturdy enough.

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The game itself is an advanced Battlezone clone in charming peak CGA awfulness. I think one of the main reasons to put the game into the Antarctic was to avoid pink pastures in a moderate climate combat zone. To be fair all other versions - C64, Atari ST and Amiga look better. Thus, the screenshots on the back of the game also look much better than what you actually get on the PC. While I find this amusing nowadays, I imagine some people must have been really annoyed by this back in the day. Your box or manual shows the AMIGA graphic, but your PC only shows CGA.

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In addition, a number of grating sound effects are coming from the speaker as soon as you start your mission. So, all in all this game gives a very authentic experience of early PC-gaming. If you can accept all these shortcomings and want to give the game a try, expect the first 30 min to figure out the basics and adapt your eye to an incredible coarse vector representation of your surroundings. However, once you got past that hurdle, the game is actually quite a lot of fun!

Reply 90 of 92, by chinny22

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ahh the days of the box art showing the cut scenes or an entirely different platform as "gameplay" That's one thing I don't miss!
But that Game Dev page is so cheesy its brilliant

Reply 91 of 92, by dr_st

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chinny22 wrote on 2025-12-01, 04:02:

ahh the days of the box art showing the cut scenes or an entirely different platform as "gameplay" That's one thing I don't miss!

You're saying this was actually a thing?

Aui wrote on 2025-11-29, 03:18:

In addition, a number of grating sound effects are coming from the speaker as soon as you start your mission. So, all in all this game gives a very authentic experience of early PC-gaming. If you can accept all these shortcomings and want to give the game a try, expect the first 30 min to figure out the basics and adapt your eye to an incredible coarse vector representation of your surroundings. However, once you got past that hurdle, the game is actually quite a lot of fun!

I do recall a few CGA / PC speaker titles fondly. Alleycat, Paratrooper, Pharaoh's Tomb... The last one can at least be beaten. The first two are just about getting as high a score as you can before you are defeated (no real 'end' to either of them).

Aui wrote on 2025-11-29, 03:18:

Most notable is the idea to cast and promote the game developers together with their game.

Hey, now I finally know how Jeff Tunnell used to look! I recognize him as the creator of The Incredible Machine, under Sierra/Dynamix. According to Wikipedia, Arcticfox might be the first game he was credited with.

Anyhow, since we have departed a bit from the 'Big Box' format, I think I will have another entry to present soon. 😀

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Reply 92 of 92, by gerry

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dr_st wrote on 2025-12-02, 05:04:
chinny22 wrote on 2025-12-01, 04:02:

ahh the days of the box art showing the cut scenes or an entirely different platform as "gameplay" That's one thing I don't miss!

You're saying this was actually a thing?

i remember that too, as example i remember for PCs i think sometimes the Amiga screenshots were used - back when Amiga looked better that typical PC with ega,cga. And i guess if VGA was an option that was always shown.