chinny22 wrote on 2025-11-03, 01:07:This is the very best of advice when starting in this hobby! […]
Show full quote
jh80 wrote on 2025-11-02, 06:55:
My general rule of thumb is to try to make do with what's available first. If you try to pursue a specific piece of old hardware, it's usually going to require a lot of luck or money, unless it's just something very common. And really, when you're just starting out, it's not necessary to get the absolute best hardware.
This is the very best of advice when starting in this hobby!
I think the Celeron is a good starting point and can probably become your dos PC long term.
Yes the onboard TNT will hold it back especially if you want to play at modern resolutions, but you'll be able to play say NFS3 no problems, and something like Quake 3 still runs ok, just not on full detail.
The onboard sound is fine for Windows and does have dos support but you also have an ISA slot for a better card for dos if you wanted.
Quite a few of my Slot 1 boards max out at 600Mhz, but I don't find this an issue as any game that wants a faster CPU works fine on my much faster WinXP PC
On the flipside I find just about all my dos games also work fine at 600Mhz, so no need to have an older system like the MMX.
I'd think if you paired this system with a more common LGA 775 WinXP build you would probably cover a lot of your games, and at least you have something while looking for the perfect build.
The MMX on the other hand does come in an AT case which are extremely rare in any country. Definity not $300 rare, but you WILL be waiting YEARS for a good case.
Personally I'd not worry about AT era computers unless something turned up locally*
*Local being a relative term to your location, I'd drive 6hrs or so round trip for something.
Agreed that going what is available is by far the best idea when starting up this (or any other) hobby. That said, these are neither completely local nor particularly cheap. And if you're going to throw a non-trivial amount of money at the question, I'd go for something with flexibility and expandability.
Looking at what's available on eBay in AU (which is shockingly little...) for AUD 11 more than that Celeron 400 you could get this: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/335795560184
- full ATX desktop instead of uATX (so a lot more options to replace the motherboard if you ever need to)
- motherboard with AGP slot (allows for upgrading video card if needed)
- Celeron 366 is very similar to 400. But tends to be a better overclocker 😉
- motherboard looks like an Acorp 6ZX81 - not exactly brilliant, but it supports down to 1.8V, so max Katmai P3 out-of-the-box, but with an FC-PGA slocket with voltage jumpers, you could force 1.8V on a faster Coppermine as well.
- I can't identify the slocket in the picture, but it looks pretty fancy and may have FC-PGA and voltage jumper support.
- can't identify the sound card, but it should make sound and there's more than enough expansion to put something else/better in if desired.
A system based on this will be able to do a lot of DOS stuff too (my late DOS system runs on a P3-600, only significant difference is that I have some ISA sound cards in it) and run Win3.x and 95 easily. Conversely, a Celeron Mendocino is very early Windows 98 era and there's a lot of later Win98 period stuff that will run poorly. But tbh, I'd buy a single system like this and see what does and doesn't work. Only once you hit problems you can't fix on that system you can look at either upgrading, downgrading or considering a different one.
IMHO there's not much that will not run on a Celeron 366/400 that will run on a Pentium 200. Really old DOS games can be speed-sensitive, but will go haywire on a P200 as well. For that sort of game, the sweet spot is more likely to be a 486SX/DX-33 or 386DX-40 with 'turbo' mode that lets you slow it down to XT speeds - as a lot of the really sensitive ones won't be playable on 386-speeds either.
So I'd advise against throwing AUD 290 at a box with a low-end (PCPartner MB520NH) motherboard, unremarkable VGA card (S3 Virge is great for compatibility but noname cards frequently suffer from poor image quality) and no sound card.
If you really want to buy an old system straight away, take a look at this instead- from the same seller by the look of it: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/306375699667
- significantly cheaper than the P200 system
- Am386DX40 with 'turbo' to drop down to XT speeds
- top-tier Asus ISA-386U3 motherboard
Of course there's a reason it's so cheap: there's one of the dreaded Varta batteries on it that has leaked. That needs cleaning up. Also no screenshots showing it working, as there's an EGA card in there instead of VGA. That's a feature, not a bug: you can sell the EGA card for significantly more than a decent ISA VGA card would cost.
Now, this system would need quite a bit of work, but would be a far better match for whatever wouldn't run on the Celeron. But I still wouldn't recommend getting it straight away. If you insist, let the seller fire it up and listen for beeps. If it gives a single (or double, depending on BIOS) beep, the basics are working and it's a fairly safe bet. If no beeps at all, the battery damage is probably extensive and not a good idea for a first system from that era to play around with.
Or go for one like this - a complete (and pretty good-lookign) 486 system for just AUD 10 more than that P200. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/306422488300