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Table Fog & 8-bit Paletted Textures

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Reply 640 of 645, by marxveix

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Kahenraz wrote on 2025-09-26, 15:12:

That's fabulous. So, there is a driver that supported turning off 16-bit dithering. That's my biggest complaint about ATI cards around this generation and later. Ordered/pattern dithering is just terrible. It's too bad that it's it's not possible to disable it on the later drivers.

I have new 5.40.x Rage2/Rage Pro/RageXL driver and Software bundle out there.
Here some settings for Rage2/Rage3 with tweakers, havent have time test them.
Re: ATi RagePro drivers and software

Edit: Just tested, Rage2 tweaker settings changes are working, reduce dithering effect just tested with Turok and RageXL,
also it works original ATi Rage Pro, so all Rage3 cards. 😀

Best ATi Rage3 drivers for 3DCIF / Direct3D / OpenGL / DVD : ATi RagePro drivers and software
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Reply 641 of 645, by eliot_new

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Table Fog & 8-bit Paletted Textures & EMBM ist the reason why I bought a FX5600 AGP and use it with 45.23 driver on Win98SE.
I m reading now this thread as I have never read deep dive like the details and reasons why.

# w98SE . P3 450 . 768MB . QDI440BX . V3 AGP . 3dfx 6MB . AWE64 . GUS Pico 2.0 . 80GB HDD
# wXP . P3 1G . 512MB . ASUSCUSL2-C . MSI FX 5600 . 3dfx 6MB . Audigy 1 . 80GB HDD plan
# w8.1 . i7 4790K . 32GB . ASUSH97M-Plus . GTX 970 . AC97 . 1TB SSD . 6TB HDD

Reply 642 of 645, by marxveix

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eliot_new wrote on 2025-11-04, 19:26:

Table Fog & 8-bit Paletted Textures & EMBM ist the reason why I bought a FX5600 AGP and use it with 45.23 driver on Win98SE.
I m reading now this thread as I have never read deep dive like the details and reasons why.

Geforce 3 supports all those same things and can be used with older drivers and lower CPU.

FX5xxx cards are good cards for RetroPC with 45.23 driver.

Best ATi Rage3 drivers for 3DCIF / Direct3D / OpenGL / DVD : ATi RagePro drivers and software
30+MiniGL / OpenGL Win 9x dll files for all ATi Rage3 cards : Re: ATi RagePro OpenGL files

Reply 643 of 645, by Kahenraz

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I always believed that the GeForce 2 series GPU should have been capable of environmental bump mapping. It was kind of a moot feature by the time the GeForce 3 rolled around, with its early support for pixel shaders.

Reply 644 of 645, by Joseph_Joestar

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I was testing Daikatana for some unrelated things, and saw this when I opened the console:

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Notice the EXT_paletted_texture and EXT_shared_texture_palette lines? Yeah, Daikatana can use paletted textures, just like other games based on the Quake 2 engine. From the brief testing that I did, it looks like these are only used for improving performance, and don't affect the visuals in Daikatana.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 980Ti / X-Fi Titanium

Reply 645 of 645, by marxveix

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2025-11-17, 16:51:

I was testing Daikatana for some unrelated things, and saw this when I opened the console:

The attachment Daikatana_Voodoo3.jpg is no longer available

Notice the EXT_paletted_texture and EXT_shared_texture_palette lines? Yeah, Daikatana can use paletted textures, just like other games based on the Quake 2 engine. From the brief testing that I did, it looks like these are only used for improving performance, and don't affect the visuals in Daikatana.

RagePro / XL has better chances with paletted textures @ OldGL
MiniGL 1005 up to 1036 and OpenGL 1045 shows some promise.
I use GL Direct 3.00 if i want RagePro OpenGL paletted texture. 😀

Re: ATi RagePro OpenGL files

Older OpenGL files may work better with older drivers, even Rage3 DX6 drivers like OpenGL from 1068 up to 1107 and not very old (1005 up to 1065).

Best ATi Rage3 drivers for 3DCIF / Direct3D / OpenGL / DVD : ATi RagePro drivers and software
30+MiniGL / OpenGL Win 9x dll files for all ATi Rage3 cards : Re: ATi RagePro OpenGL files