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First post, by nezwick

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EDIT: SOLVED! The mouse was not a serial mouse at all.

I bought this Microsoft "grey eyes" serial mouse for my NEC 286 but the mouse doesn't seem to work. I was hoping to get some advice on how to troubleshoot it.

First thing I noticed was the connector has the wrong gender, so I bought this little adapter for it. It plugs into the only serial port (COM1) on the back of the 286, and I installed the Microsoft Mouse Driver for DOS (8.20a), but it just says "Driver not installed -- Microsoft Mouse not found"

So I tried connecting the mouse to two different (newer) PCs - one with Windows 95 and the other Windows XP - but the mouse doesn't work there either. I have verified the the serial ports on all of these PCs are enabled in their BIOS.

Do I have the wrong gender adapter, do I need some sort of proprietary interface card, or what else could I be missing here? I chose this mouse specifically for this project because it was the mouse we had with my original 286 back in the day. The sticker from the bottom of the mouse is missing, so I don't know its exact model number.

I opened up the mouse to check for physical/water damage, but everything inside look clean and intact. In terms of chips/logic, there really isn't much inside this mouse to go bad anyway. How does one go about testing a serial mouse?

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Last edited by nezwick on 2025-12-08, 00:12. Edited 2 times in total.

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Reply 1 of 13, by Jo22

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https://minuszerodegrees.net/msmouse/Microsoft%20mouse.htm

Could be that Microsoft Bus Mouse - 1 or Microsoft Bus Mouse - 2.

The "InPort" bus mice are a separate thing, also. They use a round plug and a different protocol.

Edit: Some 286 PCs had a "MOUSE" port on the rear side of the chassis.
It looked physically same as a DE-9 port, except for the description.

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Reply 2 of 13, by DaveDDS

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I've had many MSmice over the years from back when they first made them - and I don't recognize that one!

Also, a PC serial mouse should have a connector that fits a PC serial -= the std PC port is male(pins), hence a PC mouse should be female.

Which leads to the question - is this actually a PC mouse? I don't immediately recall MS making other mice. but I do know they made some things for other systems.
- So it's possible the serial protocol is not compatible -

If it does turn out to be compatible, then your problem is most likely the adapter - serial ports are DTE (Data Terminal Equipment) or DCE (Date Communication Equipment)
The difference is the ordering of the signals on the DB connector.

Both ends can't be the same - one must be DTE and one must be DCE.

Quite possible, your adapter in changing gender also changes DTE<>DCE.

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Reply 3 of 13, by DaveDDS

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All the Bus mice I've seen have a different connector (but you can never know what MS does/did).

Should be easy enough with a multimeter to see if it's driving the right signals - but you'd have to come up with another way to power the mouse.
You might be able to figure it out by taking it apart and tracing the signal wires.

Alse, IIRC bus mice ran in 5v while serial drew from the 12v signals lines, and signals wouldn't be in the same pins - fortunately the serial current output is low,so it may not damaged a bus mouse - but again you never know.

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Reply 4 of 13, by DaveDDS

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DaveDDS wrote on 2025-11-16, 15:44:

All the Bus mice I've seen have a different connector (but you can never know what MS does/did).

Which got me thinking - IIRC some early Macs used a DB9 connector for the mouse - Did MS ever make a Mac mouse?

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Reply 5 of 13, by weedeewee

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nezwick wrote on 2025-11-16, 15:23:

Could you post photos of the inside of the mouse ?

Looking for more markings and chip identification.

Please stop using the gender changer for this mouse.
As others have mentioned, if it truly is a serial mouse it would have the proper connector.

edit: Microsoft bus mouse - 9 pin, what interface card and where to get it ? relevant ?
edit2: the pinout in that post is for pc98 mouse, not microsoft bus mouse.
edit3: https://www.minuszerodegrees.net/msmouse/MS%2 … bus%20-%202.png
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Reply 6 of 13, by nezwick

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Here's a pic of the inside. It says "BUS MOUSE" clearly, but when I first opened this I didn't even notice.

Of course I ended up with some kind of odd ball thing that isn't compatible.

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2K: AXP 1700+ @ 1900+ / 1GB DDR / 120GB IDE / X800XL / Audigy 2ZS
98SE: Duron 900 / 512MB SDR / 20GB IDE / Voodoo3 3000 / Vortex2
95: P200 MMX / 128MB SDR / 6GB IDE
DOS: NEC PowerMate 1 / 286 / 640k

Reply 7 of 13, by nezwick

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Thanks for the replies. It looks like a Bus Mouse ISA card with this specific 9 pin interface is basically unobtanium. I guess I'll try to find the true SERIAL version of this "grey eyes" mouse.

XP: A64 3000+ S754 / 2GB DDR / 500GB SATA / Audigy1
2K: AXP 1700+ @ 1900+ / 1GB DDR / 120GB IDE / X800XL / Audigy 2ZS
98SE: Duron 900 / 512MB SDR / 20GB IDE / Voodoo3 3000 / Vortex2
95: P200 MMX / 128MB SDR / 6GB IDE
DOS: NEC PowerMate 1 / 286 / 640k

Reply 8 of 13, by weedeewee

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nezwick wrote on 2025-11-16, 15:58:

Here's a pic of the inside. It says "BUS MOUSE" clearly, but when I first opened this I didn't even notice.

Of course I ended up with some kind of odd ball thing that isn't compatible.

Thanks
& indeed. It is a microsoft bus mouse

Out of curiosity, is there a chip on the underside of the mouse pcb ?
funny to already see the option for a middle mouse button.

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Reply 9 of 13, by nezwick

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I just checked and there is NO chip on the underside of the PCB.

So this is something I could buy instead, and should theoretically work with a normal serial port?

It is the same mouse but an actual serial version.

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2K: AXP 1700+ @ 1900+ / 1GB DDR / 120GB IDE / X800XL / Audigy 2ZS
98SE: Duron 900 / 512MB SDR / 20GB IDE / Voodoo3 3000 / Vortex2
95: P200 MMX / 128MB SDR / 6GB IDE
DOS: NEC PowerMate 1 / 286 / 640k

Reply 10 of 13, by nezwick

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Thanks for everyone's quick responses. I think this answers my question and it was just a dumb mistake on my part. I went ahead and ordered that mouse I posted above, and this should finally allow me to start mousing on my 286!

I'll just get rid of the bus mouse version, though now I'll have to disclose that I connected it to a serial port and may have cooked it!!

I marked the thread as "solved" and maybe it will help someone in the future.

XP: A64 3000+ S754 / 2GB DDR / 500GB SATA / Audigy1
2K: AXP 1700+ @ 1900+ / 1GB DDR / 120GB IDE / X800XL / Audigy 2ZS
98SE: Duron 900 / 512MB SDR / 20GB IDE / Voodoo3 3000 / Vortex2
95: P200 MMX / 128MB SDR / 6GB IDE
DOS: NEC PowerMate 1 / 286 / 640k

Reply 11 of 13, by weedeewee

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Yes, that mouse looks serial.
The IBM adapter cable from 25 to 9 will work though it looks a bit heavy duty for just a mouse. 😀

Since there's no chip, I guess the only thing that could be cooked are the leds & sensors for the X & Y axis.
Though given the low current of a serial port, I'd think it's all still good.

edit: my googlefu doesn't seem to give me any results on the pinout of the DE9 microsoft bus mouse connector. 🙁

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Reply 12 of 13, by nezwick

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Cool! Much appreciated.

XP: A64 3000+ S754 / 2GB DDR / 500GB SATA / Audigy1
2K: AXP 1700+ @ 1900+ / 1GB DDR / 120GB IDE / X800XL / Audigy 2ZS
98SE: Duron 900 / 512MB SDR / 20GB IDE / Voodoo3 3000 / Vortex2
95: P200 MMX / 128MB SDR / 6GB IDE
DOS: NEC PowerMate 1 / 286 / 640k

Reply 13 of 13, by maxtherabbit

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Yeah I agree the bus mouse is extremely unlikely to have been damaged by connection to a serial port