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First post, by tduncan212

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Hello. I'm not sure if this is the correct area to post this.
I am interested in purchasing a pc that has windows xp from ebay. I want to be able to install actual cd roms and use old programs for fun. I'm looking to play old educational type software and games that would run up to 2005 era. I'm not really an expert on this.
Is it possible to find a legit seller that has not just installed a pirated version of xp?
And what brand of pc would be best?
Thank you for all of the help. I look forward to hearing back.

Reply 1 of 18, by SScorpio

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There's plenty of system on eBay. Just look around and you'll even find some that have their XP license stickers that have the product code.

That said it's very possible you'll want to reinstall Windows. Microsoft doesn't have the XP activation server around. But you can just do the activate by phone and there's a website you can easily find by searching that will give you the response to the code it gives you activate. You'll need to do this even if you bought a new in box copy of Windows which Microsoft no longer sells. You can get official CDs off ebay for a few bucks if you really must have one.

Reply 2 of 18, by DudeFace

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tduncan212 wrote on 2025-11-29, 21:50:
Hello. I'm not sure if this is the correct area to post this. I am interested in purchasing a pc that has windows xp from ebay. […]
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Hello. I'm not sure if this is the correct area to post this.
I am interested in purchasing a pc that has windows xp from ebay. I want to be able to install actual cd roms and use old programs for fun. I'm looking to play old educational type software and games that would run up to 2005 era. I'm not really an expert on this.
Is it possible to find a legit seller that has not just installed a pirated version of xp?
And what brand of pc would be best?
Thank you for all of the help. I look forward to hearing back.

most branded pcs will often come with a windows license key label on the case, the problem is activating windows xp, as the online activation was shut down years ago, the only way to hassle free activate is with non legitimate cracks, most newly installed versions of xp are likely to be pirated in that sense despite actually using a genuine license key.
so i wouldnt worry about it. as for hardware you mention educational software so i assume you'll want compatibility not just for xp software but also win9x, to give best compatibilty i would go for a 478 socket pentium 4 2.4ghz-2.8ghz. these were common in pc's from Dell, Hewlett packard, Packard Bell from around 2003-2005, i would avoid Hewlet Packard, your best bet is probably a Dell, any 478 board with either an intel/SiS/VIA chipset will cover you for win9x, for educational software onboard video will probably be fine, as for audio any onboard AC97 will be 98/xp compatible.

Reply 3 of 18, by Greywolf1

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Try Facebook market place many are practically giving them away and you usually get everything with it some even leave the hdd in it

Reply 4 of 18, by tduncan212

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Thank you for the help. I will check ebay and marketplace.
Is it possible to install cd roms from back in the day and play them on the newer versions of windows? Or is buying a retro pc the only way?

Reply 5 of 18, by Greywolf1

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If your era is xp you shouldn’t have many problems playing the games you want with a good 32bit win xp machine it will play many earlier ones too with some tweaking and figuring out.
I opted for vintage machines as it was cheaper than buying a machine strong enough to emulate the systems without lagging and since I don’t need a machine newer than win 7 era as I would be playing 30ish year old games on a super fast computer 🤣.

Make sure which ever pc you get is compatible with win xp 32bit and try to avoid small form factors as graphics cards are difficult to get for them and watch out for dells they are tweaked from factory to be as minimised as possible.

A nice machine I managed to get in a palette grab was a hp compaq 8300 sff with i7-3770 processor it’ll more than powerful enough to do anything xp related and even win 7.

Happy hunting .

Reply 7 of 18, by chinny22

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What would you say is your most demanding game?

Most educational games are not demanding at all so some mass produced OEM computer from Dell, HP, etc will probably be enough.
As mentioned above, Windows Activation is broken leaving us with 2 options. Installing a Volume Licence edition of Windows that has no activation to begin with or the work arounds to "activate" listed above.
Neither are strictly legal but if you did get a PC with a OEM sticker at least in theory you have a licence.

Finally, a lot of games will work on newer versions of windows although some may require a fan made patch to fix incompatibilities. Google is your friend for this, eg "play xxx in Windows 11"

Out of your list
The HP PC is really a "thin client" A low power cut down computer used in corporate networks.
They can make for good retro computers but have almost no upgradability, typically slow CPU's and can be tricky to work with.
It would be ok for WIn98 era games but with 1Ghz CPU I don't think this is right for you.

The OptiPlex 3020 I like a lot, It's the most flexible been a full tower allowing you to upgrade to a full height graphics card if needed.

The Dimension 2100 is more a fast Win98 era PC IMHO, It's also comes from the Capacitor Plague era. This affected everyone but Dell faired worse then most.
Given its the same price as the OptiPlex 3020 I'd go with the 3020

The Optiplex GX780 is pretty good, Onboard graphics may not be fast enough but can be upgraded with low profile PCIE card.
I cant see it's price.

Reply 8 of 18, by tduncan212

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chinny22 wrote on 2025-12-01, 05:03:
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What would you say is your most demanding game?

Most educational games are not demanding at all so some mass produced OEM computer from Dell, HP, etc will probably be enough.
As mentioned above, Windows Activation is broken leaving us with 2 options. Installing a Volume Licence edition of Windows that has no activation to begin with or the work arounds to "activate" listed above.
Neither are strictly legal but if you did get a PC with a OEM sticker at least in theory you have a licence.

Finally, a lot of games will work on newer versions of windows although some may require a fan made patch to fix incompatibilities. Google is your friend for this, eg "play xxx in Windows 11"

Out of your list
The HP PC is really a "thin client" A low power cut down computer used in corporate networks.
They can make for good retro computers but have almost no upgradability, typically slow CPU's and can be tricky to work with.
It would be ok for WIn98 era games but with 1Ghz CPU I don't think this is right for you.

The OptiPlex 3020 I like a lot, It's the most flexible been a full tower allowing you to upgrade to a full height graphics card if needed.

The Dimension 2100 is more a fast Win98 era PC IMHO, It's also comes from the Capacitor Plague era. This affected everyone but Dell faired worse then most.
Given its the same price as the OptiPlex 3020 I'd go with the 3020

The Optiplex GX780 is pretty good, Onboard graphics may not be fast enough but can be upgraded with low profile PCIE card.
I cant see it's price.

Thank you. The last one is $159.00 and comes with a monitor.
I honestly don't know what games exactly. I'd like something that's could run games but I'm not looking for crysis type graphics. I think just old retro games. Maybe like Stonghold:Crusader or sim city, 1st person adventure puzzle games like myst.
I'd like a pc that has the ability to play the high graphic type games but not real concerned with the best.

Reply 9 of 18, by momaka

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Wow, the above Ebay links... or rather the prices in them, makes me want to sell all of my retro PCs right now. 😁

Seriously, anything over $50 for any of those PCs is too much. Probably only the Optiplex 3020 is a bit more reasonable, given it comes with a 240 GB SSD. But even then, you can grab similar-specced machines, sans the HDD/SSD and possibly the RAM, for usually... $20-30 locally. FWIW, I bought two Optiplex 3010 SFF machines this summer, each at $15 a pop. No RAM or HDD inside, but if I had bought the other 2 the seller had (for $60 total) the seller said he would have included RAM for them too. Now that I think about it, I probably should have grabbed them all. They each came with an i5-3570, which itself is worth close to $10 anywhere online (with the shipping included / factored in.) But that's OK, because there was another Craigslister near me selling DDR3 RAM for approx. $1.25/GB (4x 2 GB for $10 or 2x 4 GB modules for $10 again.) And then there was another one selling HDDs for $6 for a 320 GB mechanical. So for about $25, I got a pretty good Windows XP/7 era machine. Add $12 for something like a low-profile (was needed in my case due to the case being SFF) Radeon HD7570... and BOOM - a decently-powerful XP gaming PC.

So if you're not afraid of doing a bit of DIY in terms of adding an HDD, RAM, and doing the OS install yourself, your money can go a lot further.

In regards to the specific machines in the above ebay links... I pretty much fully agree with what chinny22 said about them.

- The 1st one (the HP thin client) will have absolutely no upgreadability. Seeing it uses DDR3, I suppose it's new enough to have a decent enough IGP for early-era Windows XP games (e.g. up to year 2002-2003, maybe.) Older Valve Source engine games is probably going to be about the cut-off point of what it can handle somewhat reasonably... and even then, who knows with those thin clients if it uses something like an Intel Atom CPU, which are not that great for gaming.

The Optiplex 3020... not bad... not bad at all! I actually saw a similar Optiplex tower the other day at the local flee market (can't remember if it was a 3020 or a 3010), but it came with 4 GB DDR3 an a 3rd gen (I think) i3 (3220?) CPU. The reason I even looked at it is because it came to my attention that these also used a standard ATX PSU (unlike my Precision T1700, which while very similar, uses a Dell proprietary pinout PSU.) Seller wanted $22 for it... which is all-in-all not a bad price for here either. But I already have enough similar Dell machines from that era, so I had to pass.

Next, the Dimension 2100.
I don't know what to say about this one, other than: run away!
Granted it's probably a socket 370 Celeron (because I don't recall P4 Celeron with such low frequencies), meaning it's a Tualatin-based Celeron. This is both good and not good. Well, the CPU part is fine. However, this means the motherboard is likely based on the Intel i810 or 815 chipset. The later would be nice, since it would give you an AGP port to use. But seeing the back of the machine already has onboard video, I'm almost certain this machine comes with an i810 chipset (and please excuse me if I'm wrong on this, as I haven't bothered to look at the Dimension 2100 specs yet.) Intel i810 = pretty poor choice for a gaming machine. For one, it means no AGP slot. So your only options for better GPUs would be PCI-based.... and those are both more expensive and poor performers usually. But that whole discussion is probably irrelevant here, since for an XP-era PC, you -will- certainly want something better than a 1.1 GHz Celeron, at least for gaming. Even early XP era games won't run that great on it. I'd say the cut-off point for this CPU would be year 2000 or maybe 2001 at absolute best. Anything newer after this will get choppy really fast.
And yeah, that listing might include a monitor... but seriously, those are like $10-20 tops even in the most boutique thrift shops. And it's a crappy 15" LCD with terrible response time. I mean, no offense to the seller of that Ebay listing... but I just don't see such system worth that much.

Lastly, the Optiplex GX780: it's another small form factor machine, and with a Pentium 4 CPU. In fewer words, it will run hot and cook itself. I used to service/refurb many such machines back in the day for reuse in a local nonprofit I volunteered at. More than 3/4 of them suffered from bad caps. So just write this one off completely, unless you want to embark on a completely new side quest here with hunting for new caps, a proper soldering iron (you -will- need it for these), and doing all the work to get that board recapped.

Now that I've opened up Ebay, let me see if I can find anything better for you. It's been a while for me.
I presume shipping will be in the US to you? And if so, mind if I ask if that would be for the East Coast, Central/South, or West Coast? I used to live on the East Coast, so I'm more fond of what shipping prices used to be there.

Reply 10 of 18, by momaka

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OK, here's a few PCs I found that have pretty decent price+shipping for East Coast USA.

Dell Inspiron 580 with an i3-550 (basically like a Core 2 Duo E8600, but with HT and a little faster), 4 GB of RAM, and 500 GB HDD with Win 10 Home... for ~$55
https://www.ebay.com/itm/236394645962

Optiplex 3020 like yours, but cheaper (a little under $60) and running Windows 10 (or so it appears):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/365945664667

Dell Optiplex 390 SFF with i3-3220, 4GB of RAM, and 500 GB HDD with Windows 10 for just under $65:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/306469078333

I suppose the only caveat about the above systems is that you would need to format and install Windows XP by yourself. On the plus side, you could keep the HDD they came with and put XP on another HDD to have as a dual-booting machine.

And that's all I could find on a very quick search. Haven't looked at more listings, as that would mean going through pages and pages to find something that's not a Dell or an HP or other big OEM. Seems like older custom PCs are hard to find on Ebay, especially in the USA (and Canada??) So maybe check your local Craigslist too. Might be better deals there... or not. I've never done FBMP (Facebook Marketplace), so can't comment on that.

Reply 11 of 18, by tduncan212

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momaka wrote on 2025-12-01, 22:27:
OK, here's a few PCs I found that have pretty decent price+shipping for East Coast USA. […]
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OK, here's a few PCs I found that have pretty decent price+shipping for East Coast USA.

Dell Inspiron 580 with an i3-550 (basically like a Core 2 Duo E8600, but with HT and a little faster), 4 GB of RAM, and 500 GB HDD with Win 10 Home... for ~$55
https://www.ebay.com/itm/236394645962

Optiplex 3020 like yours, but cheaper (a little under $60) and running Windows 10 (or so it appears):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/365945664667

Dell Optiplex 390 SFF with i3-3220, 4GB of RAM, and 500 GB HDD with Windows 10 for just under $65:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/306469078333

I suppose the only caveat about the above systems is that you would need to format and install Windows XP by yourself. On the plus side, you could keep the HDD they came with and put XP on another HDD to have as a dual-booting machine.

And that's all I could find on a very quick search. Haven't looked at more listings, as that would mean going through pages and pages to find something that's not a Dell or an HP or other big OEM. Seems like older custom PCs are hard to find on Ebay, especially in the USA (and Canada??) So maybe check your local Craigslist too. Might be better deals there... or not. I've never done FBMP (Facebook Marketplace), so can't comment on that.

Thank you. I will check these out. Is it possible to play older cd roms from 95/98 or xp on windows 10 at all?
Would be east coast.

Reply 12 of 18, by momaka

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tduncan212 wrote on 2025-12-01, 23:31:

Is it possible to play older cd roms from 95/98 or xp on windows 10 at all?

Sometimes.
Depends on each game/software itself.
I had no problems installing Half-Life (GOTY) from CD-ROM on a family friend's laptop... or at least I don't recall having to go to any 3rd party patches.
Don't remember what else we installed. I do recall we did run into a few old games that couldn't be installed (easily.)

You can gut the Windows 10 install on these machines... or simply get another HDD/SSD and install XP on that while still preserving the Win10 install if you want to play with that later on some day. It should be pretty easy to do on these machines, as even Dell BIOSes allow you to turn On/Off certain SATA devices pretty easily.

Reply 13 of 18, by The Serpent Rider

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Opliplex 780 is Core 2 Duo with DDR2.

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Reply 14 of 18, by tduncan212

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I wanted to play old educational software from 95/98 era and some xp era games. It would be nice to be able to just play on modern windows instead of having to find a specific pc that are older.

Reply 15 of 18, by chinny22

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tduncan212 wrote on 2025-12-02, 02:54:

I wanted to play old educational software from 95/98 era and some xp era games. It would be nice to be able to just play on modern windows instead of having to find a specific pc that are older.

It's definitely worth trying the software on a modern system first.
Alot of software will work just fine, the ones that don't quite often have an unofficial patch to make them work.
Running a virtual XP machine on your modern PC is another good way to avoid old hardware.

out of your list of programs it may be only a few that really need a real computer to work, and then you can decide if its worth the hassle or not.

Reply 16 of 18, by tduncan212

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chinny22 wrote on 2025-12-02, 04:02:
It's definitely worth trying the software on a modern system first. Alot of software will work just fine, the ones that don't q […]
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tduncan212 wrote on 2025-12-02, 02:54:

I wanted to play old educational software from 95/98 era and some xp era games. It would be nice to be able to just play on modern windows instead of having to find a specific pc that are older.

It's definitely worth trying the software on a modern system first.
Alot of software will work just fine, the ones that don't quite often have an unofficial patch to make them work.
Running a virtual XP machine on your modern PC is another good way to avoid old hardware.

out of your list of programs it may be only a few that really need a real computer to work, and then you can decide if its worth the hassle or not.

Thank you. And sorry for all the posts. Not sure if I'm supposed to just keep posting here. If I were to get a newer pc is it possible to run those games via the actual cd rom without having to use a vm with xp?

Reply 17 of 18, by The Serpent Rider

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tduncan212 wrote on 2025-12-02, 02:54:

I wanted to play old educational software from 95/98 era and some xp era games. It would be nice to be able to just play on modern windows instead of having to find a specific pc that are older.

Might as well just do a separate install of a popular user-friendly Linux distro on a spare SSD. Wine + Proton has better compatibility with old stuff than modern Windows.

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Reply 18 of 18, by chinny22

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tduncan212 wrote on 2025-12-02, 17:09:
chinny22 wrote on 2025-12-02, 04:02:
It's definitely worth trying the software on a modern system first. Alot of software will work just fine, the ones that don't q […]
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tduncan212 wrote on 2025-12-02, 02:54:

I wanted to play old educational software from 95/98 era and some xp era games. It would be nice to be able to just play on modern windows instead of having to find a specific pc that are older.

It's definitely worth trying the software on a modern system first.
Alot of software will work just fine, the ones that don't quite often have an unofficial patch to make them work.
Running a virtual XP machine on your modern PC is another good way to avoid old hardware.

out of your list of programs it may be only a few that really need a real computer to work, and then you can decide if its worth the hassle or not.

Thank you. And sorry for all the posts. Not sure if I'm supposed to just keep posting here. If I were to get a newer pc is it possible to run those games via the actual cd rom without having to use a vm with xp?

No need to apologise, definitely better to keep posting here and have all the topic information in 1 post!
Some software will work with modern windows with an actual CD, some wont. You can either ask google if a program will work in Windows 11, or try with an iso file first and see how it goes