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First post, by KIng Mustard

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I have found the following system on Facebook Marketplace for £90 (around $120):

  • Intel Pentium MMX 166 (overclocked to 225 MHz)
  • 256 MB RAM
  • 4 GB HDD
  • ALi Aladdin V motherboard (Super Socket 7 platform) (AGP) (EDO or SDRAM)
  • NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440
  • Creative sound card
  • Ethernet card
  • 8x CD-ROM
  • Modem
  • Windows 98SE
  • Mouse
  • Keyboard

I do not know the specifics of the RAM, sound card etc. as I am due to collect it tomorrow.

Would you say that is a good price? Or should I cancel the purchase?

Reply 2 of 15, by chinny22

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That GeForce is total waste, It's a good compatible card for dos/Win9x but no way can a Pentium make use of it.
But it's good for you, £90 seems like a good price and you can use the GF4 in a more powerful system if you have one

Reply 3 of 15, by douglar

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Yes it's a good deal.

And while an NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 has performance headroom that a super 7 motherboard can't use:

  • £ for £, it's a great choice.
  • Sure a £200 3dfx voodoo card can play GLIDE games and is more "Period-Correct", but £200
  • The MX440 has a wide range of stable drivers with good image quality
  • The MX440 has T&L support which might stretch you into early direct X 7 games
  • The down side is that it might be a little slower in DOS games compared to a Rage 128 or a Riva TNT

Here was my testing on a similar platform:
download/file.php?id=229021&mode=view

Reply 4 of 15, by Jasin Natael

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Sounds like a pretty decent deal. It's a bit unbalanced as a system.
If it were mine I'd probably upgrade the CPU to a K6-2/3+ if supported, or downgrade the video card and relegate it to DOS gaming.
Depending on what games you are looking to play?

Reply 5 of 15, by RetroPCCupboard

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That sounds like a bargain to me. I spent more than that for a super-socket 7 motherboard alone.

Reply 6 of 15, by FullYes

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Good deal. I paid a similar amount recently for a non-super socket 7 system with a Pentium 233 mmx and a TX Pro motherboard.

That system would really benefit from a k6-2/3/+

GF4 is a good retro card

Reply 7 of 15, by nali

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I just wonder how a 166 would use 256 Mo ram 😀
Even Unreal with a 233MMX doesn't need more than 96 Mo.
But since prices are crazy, it seems like a good deal for me too.

On my K6-2 550, a TNT2 M64 works better than a MX440 or a Ati 8500.
So even if the card here may be very good for the CPU, strange things happens sometime.

Reply 8 of 15, by douglar

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nali wrote on 2025-12-03, 21:22:
I just wonder how a 166 would use 256 Mo ram :) Even Unreal with a 233MMX doesn't need more than 96 Mo. But since prices are cr […]
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I just wonder how a 166 would use 256 Mo ram 😀
Even Unreal with a 233MMX doesn't need more than 96 Mo.
But since prices are crazy, it seems like a good deal for me too.

On my K6-2 550, a TNT2 M64 works better than a MX440 or a Ati 8500.
So even if the card here may be very good for the CPU, strange things happens sometime.

Too much ram can be a problem. I got 256MB in my MVP3 motherboard. I think it may make the motherboard unstable when the external cache is enabled becuase I don’t have enough tag ram. But that all depends on the motherboard chipset. And I have a K6-3, so the external cache isn’t as important. I had enough trouble making the system stable that I dont feel the need to mess with it any more.

Is a TNT2 M64 better than an GF4 MX 440? Depends what you are doing. Dos games probably favor the TNT2. Direct X and Open GL games are probably CPU limited, but you can probably go for a little more color depth or resolution if you have the GF4 MX. Regardless, I wouldn’t feel compelled to replace the GF4MX unless you need it somewhere else.

Reply 9 of 15, by Lutsoad

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That's like a $30 build where I live but prices in the UK/US area of influence are known to be insane for obvious reasons.

Reply 10 of 15, by dionb

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nali wrote on 2025-12-03, 21:22:

I just wonder how a 166 would use 256 Mo ram 😀
Even Unreal with a 233MMX doesn't need more than 96 Mo.
But since prices are crazy, it seems like a good deal for me too.

For games 256MB is pointless, but for doing stuff like running Win2k and applications it might make sense. We don't know what the previous owner did with it.

That said, Aladdin V and >64MB can be a double edged sword. Only the last (G or later) revisions of the chipset can cache that extra memory. If you have that late revision chipset, the more the merrier. If however you have the far more common older ones, performance will be worse with 192MB of 256MB uncached unless you are actually using>64MB, because uncached RAM is still faster than thrashing to HDD. So check that chipset version and downgrade to 64MB if it's <G and you just want to play games that will never use more.

Reply 11 of 15, by ediflorianUS

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Man-o-man how prices have jumped(I remember when they trowed-them-away)... however if you get a CRT , kb ,mouse and some speakers , it's not bad.

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Reply 12 of 15, by Shponglefan

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ediflorianUS wrote on 2025-12-04, 16:11:

however if you get a CRT , kb ,mouse and some speakers , it's not bad.

Depending on locale, a CRT in decent condition would command a lot higher price that what the OP posted.

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486 DX4-100 with 6 sound cards
486 DX-33 with 5 sound cards

Reply 13 of 15, by KIng Mustard

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Shponglefan wrote on 2025-12-04, 16:18:
ediflorianUS wrote on 2025-12-04, 16:11:

however if you get a CRT , kb ,mouse and some speakers , it's not bad.

Depending on locale, a CRT in decent condition would command a lot higher price that what the OP posted.

I purchased one of these in the end:

Lenovo ThinkVision LT1713P

2013 model, 1280×1024 (5:4), VGA / DVI, 72 Hz.

Will do the job.

Reply 14 of 15, by KIng Mustard

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I am in the process of detailing the system.

This is what I have so far:

Matsonic MS6260 or Jetway J-542B/C(S) motherboard (cannot determine)
-- ALi Aladdin V M1542 chipset (Super Socket 7), M1543C Southbridge
--- BIOS v4.51PG V.542C/542CS D06 (25 Oct 2000)

Intel Pentium MMX 166 (OC to 225 MHz)
Mitsubishi MF355F-3250MG internal 3.5" floppy disk drive (Sep 1997)
Matsushita CR-583-J 8x CD-ROM (PATA, IDE, UDMA, EIDE) (Nov 1996)
Seasonic SSG-230G 230W power supply
Leadtek WinFast A170 DDR (NVIDIA GeF​orce4 MX 4​40) (64MB) (AGP 4X @ 2X) (OEM)
Creative Labs CT5803 (Ensoniq AudioPCI rebranded as Sound Blaster PCI 128) (1998)
256 MB PC133 SDRAM 32MX64G-133
HP NetServer D5013-60001 (Intel 82557-based) PCI Ethernet 10/100

Reply 15 of 15, by Jasin Natael

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That Leadtek might be a 64-bit card, probably won't matter much with the Pentium MMX, but something to be aware of.
It also might not be.