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Reply 20 of 31, by rasteri

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myne wrote on 2025-12-06, 01:46:

Btw, in theory, an adapter can be made for s775 cpus. The main signals are all the same, and some early p4 laptop mobos had a 4:1234 clock divider for one of the cpu/chipset to allow p3 and p4 chips on board variants.

Yep, in theory a core 2 could function on a bx at 1/4 of its speed.

That would be hilarious. I bet there are all kinds of BIOS issues to worry about though.

Reply 21 of 31, by myne

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If I was a board layout pro with 300 hours and an extra head of hair spare I'd try it.

But I realised it's easier to find a compatible later model board.

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Reply 22 of 31, by liverygone

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shevalier wrote on 2025-12-06, 06:00:
There is a 2.5V power input for Pentium 2, which is not used on Pentium 3 Coppermine/Tualatin (1.5V= Vtt). It's just a jumper or […]
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myne wrote on 2025-12-06, 01:46:
H3nrik V! wrote on 2025-12-05, 09:01:

Don't some of them have voltage clamps on agtl voltages?

Some signals definitely changed from 2or 3v to 1.5 iirc and they definitely have to be reduced, but the main bus is fine at 1.5.

There is a 2.5V power input for Pentium 2, which is not used on Pentium 3 Coppermine/Tualatin (1.5V= Vtt).
It's just a jumper or processor PCB routing.
There is no need to shift anything in terms of level or limit anything.
Otherwise, there would be no first revision Celeron Coppermine 533A, which ran on unmodified Mendocino-only boards.

liverygone wrote on 2025-12-04, 17:14:

an ABIT BE6 (non-II) motherboard

As far as I remember, some early revisions of these motherboards, despite supporting voltages starting at 1.25V, have problems starting up.
Most likely, there are nuances with the CPU VID`s overdrive circuits.
There are two logic chips near the monitoring IC that do this.

If you figure them out, then most likely the entire modification of the board for starting Tualatin will boil down to cutting the wire, soldering the wire,

hello! thank you everyone for offering the help! and apologies i haven't replied, i have been researching and have found many 'o things! It seems like the best direction for this project is to go with a reverse‑engineered custom pcb. Thanks again to paradigital, myne, and everyone else who jumped in, I’ve mostly been theorizing so far and trying to understand how all the pieces fit together, but things are finally starting to make sense.

I ended up buying an ABIT BE6 off eBay https://share.google/UQWXh5zbXHw8CBvko, and since the board is already going to need some attention ie. recapping, checking the VRMs, and replacing a few tired MOSFETs, I figured this would be a good chance to build a proper custom setup around it. My idea at the moment is a simple, clean slotket style pcb that handles the basic pin rerouting for Tualatin compatibility, keeps the voltage lines safe, and avoids having to modify the CPU itself.

I’m also planning a custom bracket so I can mount a modern cooling solution. I really want to run a big AIO on this build (specifically the Arctic Liquid Freezer III Pro 420mm) since I’d like to experiment with higher overclocks once everything is dialed in (maybe even take a shot at some records). For now, though, I’m aiming at much safer clocks like ~1.7 GHz while I learn. I’m also on the hunt for 2×512 MB PC133 OCZ RAM that should handle the higher FSB speeds.

The author of the topic will tell us about this when he finishes reading the datasheet to the right place. :-) The 5th harmonic […]
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The author of the topic will tell us about this when he finishes reading the datasheet to the right place. 😀
The 5th harmonic of 133 (150 for OC) MHz is already half a gigahertz, which is impressive.
Here, impedance matching and line length matching are already needed.
So he will still have to read the datasheets.

I'm not Shure what datasheet you are referencing would you kindly clarify?

Still very much learning as I go, and I’m sure I’ll need to refine the plan as I dig deeper, but that’s where I’m currently at. Any feedback or corrections are definitely welcome!

Reply 23 of 31, by shevalier

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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 03:35:

I'm not Shure what datasheet you are referencing would you kindly clarify?

Still very much learning as I go, and I’m sure I’ll need to refine the plan as I dig deeper, but that’s where I’m currently at. Any feedback or corrections are definitely welcome!

Start with this.
https://theretroweb.com/misc/documentation/24 … 32220221359.pdf
https://theretroweb.com/misc/documentation/24 … de769755306.pdf
https://download.intel.com/design/intarch/app … ts/27329605.pdf

liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 03:35:

I’m also on the hunt for 2×512 MB PC133 OCZ RAM that should handle the higher FSB speeds.

Unfortunately, the 440BX doesn't even support single-sided 256MB modules.

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Reply 24 of 31, by liverygone

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shevalier wrote on 2025-12-08, 05:28:
Start with this. https://theretroweb.com/misc/documentation/24 … 32220221359.pdf https://theretroweb.com/misc/documentation/24 … […]
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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 03:35:

I'm not Shure what datasheet you are referencing would you kindly clarify?

Still very much learning as I go, and I’m sure I’ll need to refine the plan as I dig deeper, but that’s where I’m currently at. Any feedback or corrections are definitely welcome!

Start with this.
https://theretroweb.com/misc/documentation/24 … 32220221359.pdf
https://theretroweb.com/misc/documentation/24 … de769755306.pdf
https://download.intel.com/design/intarch/app … ts/27329605.pdf

liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 03:35:
I’m also on the hunt for 2×512 MB PC133 OCZ RAM that should handle the higher FSB speeds. […]
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I’m also on the hunt for 2×512 MB PC133 OCZ RAM that should handle the higher FSB speeds.

Unfortunately, the 440BX doesn't even support single-sided 256MB modules.

doesnt it support the low density kind? also i heard somewhere that there was a custom (something (either some patch or replacement bios chip) that fixed the issue)
if not then its ok!, ill just go with the stock max of 715(?)

Reply 25 of 31, by shevalier

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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 07:20:

doesnt it support the low density kind? also i heard somewhere that there was a custom (something (either some patch or replacement bios chip) that fixed the issue)
if not then its ok!, ill just go with the stock max of 715(?)

I'm afraid no BIOS patch will restore the A13 output in the memory bus.
In the best case, half of the high-density RAM will be visible, on average - a quarter.
In the worst case - none at all.
Only 256MB low density (16 chips), PC133, preferably CL2.

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Reply 26 of 31, by liverygone

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shevalier wrote on 2025-12-08, 07:54:
I'm afraid no BIOS patch will restore the A13 output in the memory bus. In the best case, half of the high-density RAM will be v […]
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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 07:20:

doesnt it support the low density kind? also i heard somewhere that there was a custom (something (either some patch or replacement bios chip) that fixed the issue)
if not then its ok!, ill just go with the stock max of 715(?)

I'm afraid no BIOS patch will restore the A13 output in the memory bus.
In the best case, half of the high-density RAM will be visible, on average - a quarter.
In the worst case - none at all.
Only 256MB low density (16 chips), PC133, preferably CL2.

i see, looks like i will be going with 3 256mb sticks then for a total of 768, but i thought cl2 wasn't common at the time? also i am still searching for really any ocz pc113 ram, wonder if anyone here has any...

Reply 27 of 31, by liverygone

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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 15:24:
shevalier wrote on 2025-12-08, 07:54:
I'm afraid no BIOS patch will restore the A13 output in the memory bus. In the best case, half of the high-density RAM will be v […]
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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 07:20:

doesnt it support the low density kind? also i heard somewhere that there was a custom (something (either some patch or replacement bios chip) that fixed the issue)
if not then its ok!, ill just go with the stock max of 715(?)

I'm afraid no BIOS patch will restore the A13 output in the memory bus.
In the best case, half of the high-density RAM will be visible, on average - a quarter.
In the worst case - none at all.
Only 256MB low density (16 chips), PC133, preferably CL2.

i see, looks like i will be going with 3 256mb sticks then for a total of 768, but i thought cl2 wasn't common at the time? also i am still searching for really any ocz pc113 ram, wonder if anyone here has any...

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and the only reason im looking for ocz is because i was told they are among the best for overclocking, also any soundcard recommendations? headphones to go with that would also be nice.

Reply 28 of 31, by liverygone

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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 15:24:
shevalier wrote on 2025-12-08, 07:54:
I'm afraid no BIOS patch will restore the A13 output in the memory bus. In the best case, half of the high-density RAM will be v […]
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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 07:20:

doesnt it support the low density kind? also i heard somewhere that there was a custom (something (either some patch or replacement bios chip) that fixed the issue)
if not then its ok!, ill just go with the stock max of 715(?)

I'm afraid no BIOS patch will restore the A13 output in the memory bus.
In the best case, half of the high-density RAM will be visible, on average - a quarter.
In the worst case - none at all.
Only 256MB low density (16 chips), PC133, preferably CL2.

i see, looks like i will be going with 3 256mb sticks then for a total of 768, but i thought cl2 wasn't common at the time? also i am still searching for really any ocz pc113 ram, wonder if anyone here has any...

and the only reason im looking for ocz is because i was told they are among the best for overclocking, also any soundcard recommendations? headphones to go with that would also be nice.

Reply 29 of 31, by shevalier

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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 15:24:
shevalier wrote on 2025-12-08, 07:54:
I'm afraid no BIOS patch will restore the A13 output in the memory bus. In the best case, half of the high-density RAM will be v […]
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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 07:20:

doesnt it support the low density kind? also i heard somewhere that there was a custom (something (either some patch or replacement bios chip) that fixed the issue)
if not then its ok!, ill just go with the stock max of 715(?)

I'm afraid no BIOS patch will restore the A13 output in the memory bus.
In the best case, half of the high-density RAM will be visible, on average - a quarter.
In the worst case - none at all.
Only 256MB low density (16 chips), PC133, preferably CL2.

i see, looks like i will be going with 3 256mb sticks then for a total of 768, but i thought cl2 wasn't common at the time? also i am still searching for really any ocz pc113 ram, wonder if anyone here has any...

Re: Tualatin on GA-BX2000+ / SlotT
CL2 is a more or less guaranteed option for getting 1 GB on 4 strips.
For 3 strips, I would still recommend CL2, although very decent CL3 should also work at 133 MHz, but with much less probability.
If you want to get 150 MHz FSB with 3 RAM sticks, then CL2 is the only option.

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Reply 30 of 31, by liverygone

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shevalier wrote on 2025-12-08, 15:38:
Re: Tualatin on GA-BX2000+ / SlotT CL2 is a more or less guaranteed option for getting 1 GB on 4 strips. For 3 strips, I would s […]
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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 15:24:
shevalier wrote on 2025-12-08, 07:54:
I'm afraid no BIOS patch will restore the A13 output in the memory bus. In the best case, half of the high-density RAM will be v […]
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I'm afraid no BIOS patch will restore the A13 output in the memory bus.
In the best case, half of the high-density RAM will be visible, on average - a quarter.
In the worst case - none at all.
Only 256MB low density (16 chips), PC133, preferably CL2.

i see, looks like i will be going with 3 256mb sticks then for a total of 768, but i thought cl2 wasn't common at the time? also i am still searching for really any ocz pc113 ram, wonder if anyone here has any...

Re: Tualatin on GA-BX2000+ / SlotT
CL2 is a more or less guaranteed option for getting 1 GB on 4 strips.
For 3 strips, I would still recommend CL2, although very decent CL3 should also work at 133 MHz, but with much less probability.
If you want to get 150 MHz FSB with 3 RAM sticks, then CL2 is the only option.

just for the ime being and testing how do i do the pin re route for the Coppermine adapters?

Reply 31 of 31, by shevalier

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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-09, 22:44:
shevalier wrote on 2025-12-08, 15:38:
Re: Tualatin on GA-BX2000+ / SlotT CL2 is a more or less guaranteed option for getting 1 GB on 4 strips. For 3 strips, I would s […]
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liverygone wrote on 2025-12-08, 15:24:

i see, looks like i will be going with 3 256mb sticks then for a total of 768, but i thought cl2 wasn't common at the time? also i am still searching for really any ocz pc113 ram, wonder if anyone here has any...

Re: Tualatin on GA-BX2000+ / SlotT
CL2 is a more or less guaranteed option for getting 1 GB on 4 strips.
For 3 strips, I would still recommend CL2, although very decent CL3 should also work at 133 MHz, but with much less probability.
If you want to get 150 MHz FSB with 3 RAM sticks, then CL2 is the only option.

just for the ime being and testing how do i do the pin re route for the Coppermine adapters?

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Aopen MX3S, PIII-S Tualatin 1133, Radeon 9800Pro@XT BIOS, Audigy 4 SB0610
JetWay K8T8AS, Athlon DH-E6 3000+, Radeon HD2600Pro AGP, Audigy 2 Value SB0400
Gigabyte Ga-k8n51gmf, Turion64 ML-30@2.2GHz , Radeon X800GTO PL16, Diamond monster sound MX300