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First post, by TheMobRules

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I've had a DTK PTM-1630 286 motherboard for a while, and I decided to set up a build with it. As expected, the original barrel battery had leaked so I had to do some trace repair in the area when I got the board, everything went well and now I'm working on connecting an external battery for the RTC and CMOS settings.

The manual calls for a 6V external battery, but when I tried one today (4xAA alkaline cells), but when measuring the current used by the RTC circuit it was around 330uA, which according to my calculations means the battery would be drained in around 6 months... it seems too much. Next, I tried a non-rechargeable 3.6V lithium battery (LS14250, 1/2AA cell) and with that one I got a more reasonable 100uA, but it still seems a lot considering the circuit is based on a Motorola MC146818A which according to the datasheet should use up to 50uA. And I'm not sure why using a 6V pack causes it to more than triple the amount of current used. Could there be current leakage somewhere in the circuit?

The rest of the circuit is pretty much the usual stuff: a 4069 inverter used to generate the oscillator input (with a 32.768kHz crystal) and STBY/CS pins on the RTC chip, a pair of NPN/PNP transistors to handle the switching between PSU and battery power, and a bunch of passives. None of that would seem hungry enough for that much current right?

I am attaching a diagram of the RTC + battery backup circuit I did to help me understand better while repairing traces, as far as I can tell all the components are working properly.

Reply 1 of 7, by majestyk

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It wouldn´t hurt to replace C16 in case it´s leakage current has gone up.

If your 6V battery pack discharges and the voltage drops over time, the current will also drop more and more. So 6 months is probably a bit pessimistic.

Reply 2 of 7, by Disruptor

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It seems to be much, compared to a Dallas chip which also includes the CMOS RAM:
Conserving Dallas RTC chips
mkarcher is talking about 100 nA when the RTC is stopped and 500 nA with a running RTC.

As far as I know Dallas chips were used in Pentium and late 486 chipsets, so your system may be much more inefficient.

Reply 3 of 7, by TheMobRules

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majestyk wrote on 2026-03-01, 05:45:

It wouldn´t hurt to replace C16 in case it´s leakage current has gone up.

If your 6V battery pack discharges and the voltage drops over time, the current will also drop more and more. So 6 months is probably a bit pessimistic.

Thanks, I think I have some new 10uF/25V tantalums to replace C16. You're right about the battery pack probably lasting more than that, but it still seems to be consuming an abnormal amount of current.

Disruptor wrote on 2026-03-01, 07:24:
It seems to be much, compared to a Dallas chip which also includes the CMOS RAM: Conserving Dallas RTC chips mkarcher is talking […]
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It seems to be much, compared to a Dallas chip which also includes the CMOS RAM:
Conserving Dallas RTC chips
mkarcher is talking about 100 nA when the RTC is stopped and 500 nA with a running RTC.

As far as I know Dallas chips were used in Pentium and late 486 chipsets, so your system may be much more inefficient.

Yes, my board uses the original Motorola MC146818 RTC on which all the later chips are based on, so I expect it to be more inefficient. But still it seems too much since the datasheet claims a maximum 50uA current when using a 32.768kHz frequency for the oscillator.

Reply 4 of 7, by jmarsh

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TheMobRules wrote on 2026-03-01, 07:54:

But still it seems too much since the datasheet claims a maximum 50uA current when using a 32.768kHz frequency for the oscillator.

The datasheet for the MC146818? It probably doesn't include a 4069 being used as an oscillator...

Reply 5 of 7, by TheMobRules

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jmarsh wrote on 2026-03-01, 08:09:

The datasheet for the MC146818? It probably doesn't include a 4069 being used as an oscillator...

No, but supply current for the TC4069UBP @5V/25C is listed at 0.25uA. It's almost negligible when compared to the RTC chip.

Reply 6 of 7, by weedeewee

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TheMobRules wrote on 2026-03-01, 09:01:
jmarsh wrote on 2026-03-01, 08:09:

The datasheet for the MC146818? It probably doesn't include a 4069 being used as an oscillator...

No, but supply current for the TC4069UBP @5V/25C is listed at 0.25uA. It's almost negligible when compared to the RTC chip.

That number "Quiescent supply current" is when the chip is completely idle.
In your case it is not idle but switching at a rate of 32kHz

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Reply 7 of 7, by rasz_pl

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You can try pulling Q2 just for a test. I saw a situation where a diode that was supposed to bring 5V was leaky in reverse

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