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Reply 58560 of 58580, by MattRocks

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andrea wrote on 2026-03-21, 17:37:
MattRocks wrote on 2026-03-21, 15:57:

Here's a monster 24Mb variant fleeting on eBay and already in someone's basket. I assume the 2nd processor is doing the geometry setup that cheap OEM i740s offload to the CPU. Not spam - just fact checked!

The R3D-400 chip is pretending to be an AGP Host.

Or, the R3D chip is pretending to be a Northbridge?

The PCI version can be faster than the AGP version because it pulls textures over the R3D chip from an extra 16Mb of dedicated local VRAM clocked ~100MHz, while cheap AGP versions in 1998 were pulling textures over a Northbridge from shared system RAM clocked at 66MHz. When system RAM exceeded 100MHz, or when DirectX 6 shipped, the i740 was obsolete and no longer advertised.

From the retro review linked below, "Starfighter PCI is 15% slower than its AGP counterpart," but that was comparing onboard ~100MHz VRAM against ~100MHz system RAM on a later Pentium II - interesting but that's not a historically true test. That reviewer concludes, "all the bad press AGP cards got does not seem so justified, at least on my systems," and that underscores that the retro review is not mirroring actual reviews of the era. My view is that a test should be framed as: Should I upgrade the VGA card, or buy a new PC?

The Starfighter PCI was a retail standalone upgrade in 1998, so that fits a 1997 Pentium MMX with 66MHz TX chipset.
The Starfighter AGP belongs to an OEM system integrator's 1998 base build, so that's a Pentium II on 66MHz LX chipset.

When paired to an Intel i430TX with EDO RAM the Starfighter PCI is era accurate and solid, but expensive and rare.

https://vintage3d.org/i740.php

Reply 58561 of 58580, by Antieon

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Went to go pickup a Radeon 9250 128MB PCI for $15.... guy asks me "You do a lot with old computer stuff.... step inside..."

Takes me to his basement (not sketchy at all...) and it is loaded to the brim with old tech, pulls out a few boxes and starts pulling out AGP and PCI graphics cards.

Voodoo 3 2000 PCI
Quadro FX1000 128MB
Rage 128 Pro 16MB
Cirrus Logic 5440 PCI
and a few AOpen CMEDIA Sound Cards.

$70.

All working, just a bit dirty.

Any day you go hunting for old tech and walk out with a 3DFX card for cheap is a good day.

Reply 58562 of 58580, by Ozzuneoj

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Antieon wrote on Yesterday, 02:41:
Went to go pickup a Radeon 9250 128MB PCI for $15.... guy asks me "You do a lot with old computer stuff.... step inside..." […]
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Went to go pickup a Radeon 9250 128MB PCI for $15.... guy asks me "You do a lot with old computer stuff.... step inside..."

Takes me to his basement (not sketchy at all...) and it is loaded to the brim with old tech, pulls out a few boxes and starts pulling out AGP and PCI graphics cards.

Voodoo 3 2000 PCI
Quadro FX1000 128MB
Rage 128 Pro 16MB
Cirrus Logic 5440 PCI
and a few AOpen CMEDIA Sound Cards.

$70.

All working, just a bit dirty.

Any day you go hunting for old tech and walk out with a 3DFX card for cheap is a good day.

That is a nice haul! You have good video cards for several builds there. The Quadro FX1000 is basically a much lower clocked Geforce FX 5800, so is a solid card for Pre-DX9 games.

Also, that is actually a Voodoo3 3000 PCI. Definitely a great find. 😀

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 58563 of 58580, by MattRocks

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Antieon wrote on Yesterday, 02:41:
Went to go pickup a Radeon 9250 128MB PCI for $15.... guy asks me "You do a lot with old computer stuff.... step inside..." […]
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Went to go pickup a Radeon 9250 128MB PCI for $15.... guy asks me "You do a lot with old computer stuff.... step inside..."

Takes me to his basement (not sketchy at all...) and it is loaded to the brim with old tech, pulls out a few boxes and starts pulling out AGP and PCI graphics cards.

Voodoo 3 2000 PCI
Quadro FX1000 128MB
Rage 128 Pro 16MB
Cirrus Logic 5440 PCI
and a few AOpen CMEDIA Sound Cards.

$70.

All working, just a bit dirty.

Any day you go hunting for old tech and walk out with a 3DFX card for cheap is a good day.

Sweet! I've not encountered anyone like that where I live, or we are all too shy to confess? 😉

But I have been watching someone sell off their haul and "won" a GeForce2 Ti - all being well, that will be my "new" fastest DirectX 7 card. I wanted their Pro but fat fingered my bid.

Reply 58564 of 58580, by tehsiggi

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Just got myself another Radeon 9800 Pro from ebay with an Arctic Silencer that is supposed to be artifacting.

I looked at the blurry pictures on ebay and could already tell there is a part missing for CKE of one memory channel. If that's only it, it'll be a very quick fix. For anything else the bracket + silencer is already nice enough. We'll see once it arrives.

AGP Card Real Power Consumption
AGP Power monitor - diagnostic hardware tool
Graphics card repair collection

Reply 58565 of 58580, by Shader_BiH

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Today, I got myself this beautiful All-In-Wonder X800 VE card. It's cooler art is a variation of classic X800 minotaur and I/O shields are in gold color.

As I figured so far, It's like X800 SE card (8 pipes), but with 256-bit DDR3 memory. I assume it's performance is somewhere around 9800XT. (correct me if I'm wrong)

I am curious about that custom ATI IO connector... It seems imposible to find a cable for it. Does anyone know where I might find something like that or what is that connector even called officialy?

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Reply 58566 of 58580, by pixecs

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I bought this today at the flea market:
DELL Optiplex GX150 motherboard with Intel Pentium III SL52R: ~3 EUR
And the following for ~5 EUR (all):
Nvidia TNT2 M64 32MB video card
Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SB0570
Creative Sound Blaster Live! SB0100
ATrust SC-5100
Compaq NC3121 network card

Reply 58567 of 58580, by MattRocks

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Shader_BiH wrote on Yesterday, 13:56:

I am curious about that custom ATI IO connector... It seems imposible to find a cable for it. Does anyone know where I might find something like that or what is that connector even called officialy?

It's a later version of the ATI port for breakout cables, and it's an extra compact square to leave space for DVI and VGA ports. It is also the only ATI breakout cable that has a SCART connector for European audio-video devices. I'd suggest setting up an eBay alert for 'SCART ATI breakout cable' or similar.

Photo attached shows the cable feeds VGA, S-Video, 3.5mm jack, and the great big SCART.

Beautiful card btw.

Reply 58568 of 58580, by Shader_BiH

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MattRocks wrote on Yesterday, 21:07:
It's a later version of the ATI port for breakout cables, and it's an extra compact square to leave space for DVI and VGA ports. […]
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Shader_BiH wrote on Yesterday, 13:56:

I am curious about that custom ATI IO connector... It seems imposible to find a cable for it. Does anyone know where I might find something like that or what is that connector even called officialy?

It's a later version of the ATI port for breakout cables, and it's an extra compact square to leave space for DVI and VGA ports. It is also the only ATI breakout cable that has a SCART connector for European audio-video devices. I'd suggest setting up an eBay alert for 'SCART ATI breakout cable' or similar.

Photo attached shows the cable feeds VGA, S-Video, 3.5mm jack, and the great big SCART.

Beautiful card btw.

Thank you very much for the info. I did found out that there are different versions of this cable, X600 AIW for example has same connector but different pin-out and feeds as well. There are probably differences between NTSC and PAL regions, since decoders are different. I will keep my attention on e-bay then. Thanks again 😁

Reply 58569 of 58580, by giantenemycat

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So I've only gone and bought another mystery box with no specs listed. I really wasn't going to, but then the seller immediately sent out an offer for 5% off. I countered with 20%...and they accepted.

Last time people here seemed to enjoy guessing what hardware will be inside. Bets on this one?

Reply 58570 of 58580, by appiah4

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Am486Dx2-66 with CL-GD5428 graphics card, 8mb RAM running Windows 95. There will be an obligatory Modem.

Reply 58571 of 58580, by andrea

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giantenemycat wrote on Today, 12:04:

Bets on this one?

It has a USB card and the vga port is "upside down"... so it must have PCI
I'd say a P133 possibly overclocked on a FX board and maxed out ram (if it has usb then it must have been in use for quite a bit)

Reply 58572 of 58580, by zapbuzz

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giantenemycat wrote on Today, 12:04:

So I've only gone and bought another mystery box with no specs listed. I really wasn't going to, but then the seller immediately sent out an offer for 5% off. I countered with 20%...and they accepted.

Last time people here seemed to enjoy guessing what hardware will be inside. Bets on this one?

386 or 486 CPU

Reply 58573 of 58580, by Shader_BiH

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giantenemycat wrote on Today, 12:04:

So I've only gone and bought another mystery box with no specs listed. I really wasn't going to, but then the seller immediately sent out an offer for 5% off. I countered with 20%...and they accepted.

Last time people here seemed to enjoy guessing what hardware will be inside. Bets on this one?

I believe this is some early Pentium 1 system.

Reply 58575 of 58580, by giantenemycat

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andrea wrote on Today, 13:28:

It has a USB card and the vga port is "upside down"... so it must have PCI
I'd say a P133 possibly overclocked on a FX board and maxed out ram (if it has usb then it must have been in use for quite a bit)

I never thought about identifying from the VGA port orientation, good catch. The USB add-in card also gives away it's very unlikely to be older than a Pentium, as they would only be in the form of PCI or breakout "form cards" that attached to board headers starting with 430TX. In theory could be a late era 486 with PCI, but there's so many reasons adding USB to such a system would be a bad idea, so I can't see anyone doing that. It only having a single serial port is interesting though - if you filter boards on retroweb to 1x Serial and 1x AT keyboard, it only returns 5 pages of results.

I would guess it could be anything from 430FX to 430TX. I already have TX and VX systems, so FX or HX would be welcome.

Reply 58576 of 58580, by Ozzuneoj

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giantenemycat wrote on Today, 12:04:

So I've only gone and bought another mystery box with no specs listed. I really wasn't going to, but then the seller immediately sent out an offer for 5% off. I countered with 20%...and they accepted.

Last time people here seemed to enjoy guessing what hardware will be inside. Bets on this one?

I agree with some others here. Low-ish to mid range build from late 1996 to early 1997 using an assortment of decent but not high end parts that were available at the time, with a minor memory\USB upgrade at some point in late 1997-1999.

Since it has a PS/2 port on a bracket I am guessing it is a Pentium somewhere in the 133-166Mhz range. I'd say 32MB-64MB of RAM, with signs of being upgraded at some point when the USB card was added.

I can't see the bottom ISA slot, so I don't know if it has a sound card. If it has a sound card it is probably a Vibra16, and the video card is probably a Cirrus Logic GD5440 or GD5446.

The old 8X CD-ROM tells me it wasn't something that was totally overhauled\upgraded at any point, so most of the parts should be from 1997 or earlier.

It has a lot of mismatched slot covers in the back. It may have had some cards pulled or swapped out over the years, but with the old CD-ROM left in place it doubt it is going to have anything fancy or gaming focused.

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 58577 of 58580, by devius

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giantenemycat wrote on Today, 12:04:

Last time people here seemed to enjoy guessing what hardware will be inside. Bets on this one?

I'm going to say:

- Pentium 166MMX
- Some sort of Intel 430VX motherboard
- 24MB of RAM
- Cirrus Logic CL-GD5446 with 2MB
- 8X CD-ROM drive 😆

Reply 58578 of 58580, by Ozzuneoj

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Yes!!!

I cannot believe I finally found one of these. I purchased a bunch of processors as-is, untested. I was 98% sure that one of them was a Pentium III 1.1Ghz SL5QW , which is the fastest 100Mhz FSB Coppermine CPU you can get.

They arrived today and not only was it in fact an SL5QW, it was intact! Amazingly, the pins didn't even need straightened and it dropped right into the socket.

I have put it into a slotket in my W6BXA 440BX test system and the BIOS startup message reports it as ;01Mhz, but it seems to be working perfectly!

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Given the rarity and value of this chip it seems a bit sketchy to use it for this purpose, but I have really wanted one of these for my Windows 98SE test system to allow GPUs to stretch their legs a bit more in testing. Prior to this, the fastest 100Mhz FSB PIII I have found to use in this system was an 850Mhz, so this should offer a pretty sizeable performance increase. I also have a Powerleap Tualatin adapter which I haven't tested yet, but I like the idea of keeping this setup as simple as possible to eliminate variables when testing.

Also, I'm happy to report that it seems like the SL5QW runs cool enough to be happy with the small cooler I am using with the fan connected to 5v for silent operation. I was concerned that the higher wattage would require more cooling, but it seems okay for now.

EDIT: Oh, and part of why I am so happy to have found one of these intact is that I saw at least one, possibly two or three or more of them in a huge scrap lot recently. The lot was combined with tons of ram ($), old 486\Pentium processors ($$) and misc bits of gold plated stuff ($$$) which would put it way way out of my price range for what might end up being all broken CPUs. Just out of principle I messaged the seller and told him there were some desirable processors that people would use in the lot and that his buyer should consider looking through them or just relisting the Pentium III chips before processing them as scrap. I got no reply, so I assume that they all met a sad fate unless the buyer was some collector with deeper pockets.

I am happy to have been able to save one this time at least. 😀

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Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 58579 of 58580, by PD2JK

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Congrats on that unicorn. Always great to read stories like these. 👍🙂

i386 16 ⇒ i486 DX4 100 ⇒ Pentium MMX 200 ⇒ Athlon Pluto 700 ⇒ AthlonXP 1700+ ⇒ Opteron 165 ⇒ Dual Opteron 856