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Reply 300 of 319, by Trashbytes

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LSS10999 wrote on 2026-03-30, 11:39:
I just checked the list of nVidia video cards and found something... actually, most current workstation video cards top out at 3 […]
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Trashbytes wrote on 2026-03-30, 06:35:
They all have and the cards work just fine with 3x8 or even 4x8 the issue with the new connectors isn't the size of the connecto […]
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LSS10999 wrote on 2026-03-30, 05:15:

Personally I don't have any video card of the generations that introduced the 12VHPWR and 12V-2x6 connectors, and I don't think I'll need one. My latest nVidia card is RTX A4000 which still works well with the last few Windows versions (Server 2012 for example), but apparently the latest driver for those OSes, 474.44, is broken, as it would crash when using Vulkan (OpenGL is okay, though). I'm currently using driver 463.15 with which Vulkan is working okay.

From what I saw online those new connectors are a bit smaller than the older 8-pin connector yet rated for much more power... something very unusual considering Joule's law where one would want a larger connector surface (lower resistance) in the face of higher amperes of current to keep heat generation within limits.

I'm afraid that a few years later these generations of video cards will become total e-wastes with little reusable/resellable value as they keep frying and rendered nonfunctional. I wonder if any nVidia card vendor has experimented with designing current video cards around older 8-pin connectors?

They all have and the cards work just fine with 3x8 or even 4x8 the issue with the new connectors isn't the size of the connector its load spreading across the pins, the 5090 typically draws between 500 - 600 watts across one connector but can pull 1000watts if allowed with two HPWR connectors They have found that if even one of the pins has a slightly bad connection the card will draw an unbalanced load and put extra load on the pins with a better connection which as you can imagine causes extra heat on an already stressed pin.

They are now putting active load monitoring and balancing in PSUs for the connector, if the PSU detects even an unbalanced load where one pin is beyond its rating it will force the GPU into a 70watt limp mode and alert the user.

That said ... the 8pin connector was .. perfect and the only reason nVidia went with the new one was forced obsolescence, they knew full well that a connector like that wont last long and that they cant change it at will. This naturally makes their GPUs much harder to use once the connector gets changed for a new format that wont work with the older cards.\

But its not hard to adapt the 8pin connectors to fit the new ones so ...whats the point of having new connectors really.

I just checked the list of nVidia video cards and found something... actually, most current workstation video cards top out at 300W TDP, even the highest end ones. The only one known with above 300W TDP is the RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell (600W), though it also has a Max-Q edition that's clocked much lower and also rated 300W, while otherwise identical.

Perhaps 300W is considered a relatively safe threshold for the new connectors, that nVidia wouldn't dare pushing workstation models beyond it, considering they are extremely expensive. Those cards come with much more RAM than their respective consumer counterparts, and most likely use more reliable components.

So for consumer cards, maybe it's better off designing performance profiles that would keep those high-end cards' power consumption at 300W or less while minimizing performance losses. It's quite possible the connectors were designed to handle 300W rather than 600W, that rating it for 600W is likely to incentivize vendors to clock them much higher for better price and sale than competitors.

here is the thing with the Workstation cards, they are built for reliability not performance so there is no need for them to draw 500 watts. The other thing Workstation cards have is the ability to chain 2 or more of them together in the same machine if they need extra performance or VRAM.

The new connectors are rated for 600 watts max, the cards shouldn't exceed this but . .transient spikes happen and consumers will run their GPU at max for hours on end overheating the socket.

Gaming GPUS on the other hand are like drag cars, they are designed to pull as much wattage as the design will allow (not always safely) in return they sacrifice reliability and gain huge gaming performance. You can lock them to 300 watts if you want but at that point there is little need to buy a 5080/5090 you may as well just buy a 5070Ti.

Reply 301 of 319, by zapbuzz

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now that google compress memory for AI there might just be a price crash observe: https://x.com/hardwarecanucks/status/2038684903626215898

This just might be equal to the game console crash that happened long long time ago stock up heaps for demand that ceases.

Reply 302 of 319, by Shponglefan

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zapbuzz wrote on 2026-03-30, 21:53:

It was reported back in October that OpenAI had signed letters of intent. It is insane how the market reacted to this, though.

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Reply 303 of 319, by Shponglefan

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Just checked local RAM prices again. A few days ago I'd spec'd out prices for my PC upgrade I had performed last September. The price of the 64GB DDR5 RAM kit was $1170 CAD.

Today that price is $1385 CAD. That's a $215 price increase in just a few days and the highest price for this RAM I've seen yet.

It's almost 300% more expensive than when I bought it back in Sept 2025. 😮

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Reply 304 of 319, by tomcattech

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Shponglefan wrote on 2026-04-01, 16:42:

Just checked local RAM prices again. A few days ago I'd spec'd out prices for my PC upgrade I had performed last September. The price of the 64GB DDR5 RAM kit was $1170 CAD.

Today that price is $1385 CAD. That's a $215 price increase in just a few days and the highest price for this RAM I've seen yet.

It's almost 300% more expensive than when I bought it back in Sept 2025. 😮

Insane....

Normal people just don't have the cash to game on PCs or consoles anymore (as their prices are going up as well).

At these prices you would think rare earth mines and chip fabs would be popping up across the world.

At that price point you can't tell me that there aren't other players that can come in and make a huge profit.

Almost makes me want to put my tin foil hat on...

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Reply 305 of 319, by johnvosh

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At Memoryexpress here in Edmonton, the cheapest in stock 32GB DDR5 6000 kit is currently $499.99 and the most expensive of the same is $889.99
If you want a 64GB kit at 6000 MHz it would be between $999.99 to $1,734.99
And it's not just RAM prices, if you want an actual HDD, they are basically all "while supplies last" 1TB WD Blue is $104.99; 2TB Seagate is $129.99, 4TB WD Blue is $154.99, 8TB is $279.99, 10TB is $324.99 to $374.99
The cheapest 2TB NVMe drive is $449.98 all the way up to a 2TB for $924.99. You can get a couple 256GB SSD drive for $85. A 4TB Samsung 870 Evo is $1849.98

I was going to upgraded my gaming rig this year, but that ain't happening now.

Reply 306 of 319, by Errius

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The future is cloud computing anyway. Home computers are obsolete. It's better for the environment, safer for children, harder for criminals to operate, etc. One unintended consequence of these high prices is to speed this trend along.

10+ years from now, the only private citizens operating home computers will be pirates, hackers, fraudsters, drug dealers, and similar kinds of unsavory people.

Is this too much voodoo?

Reply 307 of 319, by gerry

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Errius wrote on Yesterday, 08:35:

The future is cloud computing anyway. Home computers are obsolete. It's better for the environment, safer for children, harder for criminals to operate, etc. One unintended consequence of these high prices is to speed this trend along.

10+ years from now, the only private citizens operating home computers will be pirates, hackers, fraudsters, drug dealers, and similar kinds of unsavory people.

a lot of people actually agree, in a rather mild disinterested way, and most are just walking into that world either with mild embracing (choice for convenience) or just going along because they think its normal (after all their washing machine needs to go online...)

then we can looking forward to us being "All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace" ...

Reply 308 of 319, by Trashbytes

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Errius wrote on Yesterday, 08:35:

The future is cloud computing anyway. Home computers are obsolete. It's better for the environment, safer for children, harder for criminals to operate, etc. One unintended consequence of these high prices is to speed this trend along.

10+ years from now, the only private citizens operating home computers will be pirates, hackers, fraudsters, drug dealers, and similar kinds of unsavory people.

Assuming this isn't an April 1st joke.

No thanks, you can keep your big brother is watching yet another subscription dystopian cloud computing.

Id rather remove all tech from my life and go live off grid than suffer the future you propose.

Reply 309 of 319, by Stesch

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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 10:28:
Assuming this isn't an April 1st joke. […]
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Errius wrote on Yesterday, 08:35:

The future is cloud computing anyway. Home computers are obsolete. It's better for the environment, safer for children, harder for criminals to operate, etc. One unintended consequence of these high prices is to speed this trend along.

10+ years from now, the only private citizens operating home computers will be pirates, hackers, fraudsters, drug dealers, and similar kinds of unsavory people.

Assuming this isn't an April 1st joke.

No thanks, you can keep your big brother is watching yet another subscription dystopian cloud computing.

Id rather remove all tech from my life and go live off grid than suffer the future you propose.

Same for me, I just hate subscription based services in general and cloud computing will be exactly this...

But luckily, most of us here on vogons have more than enough physical computing hardware,and as long as there is electricity, there will be computing outside of the cloud.

And know, if you will excuse me, I have some more tinfoil hats to fold 🤪

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Reply 310 of 319, by Trashbytes

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Stesch wrote on Yesterday, 10:57:
Same for me, I just hate subscription based services in general and cloud computing will be exactly this... […]
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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 10:28:
Assuming this isn't an April 1st joke. […]
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Errius wrote on Yesterday, 08:35:

The future is cloud computing anyway. Home computers are obsolete. It's better for the environment, safer for children, harder for criminals to operate, etc. One unintended consequence of these high prices is to speed this trend along.

10+ years from now, the only private citizens operating home computers will be pirates, hackers, fraudsters, drug dealers, and similar kinds of unsavory people.

Assuming this isn't an April 1st joke.

No thanks, you can keep your big brother is watching yet another subscription dystopian cloud computing.

Id rather remove all tech from my life and go live off grid than suffer the future you propose.

Same for me, I just hate subscription based services in general and cloud computing will be exactly this...

But luckily, most of us here on vogons have more than enough physical computing hardware,and as long as there is electricity, there will be computing outside of the cloud.

And know, if you will excuse me, I have some more tinfoil hats to fold 🤪

Them tin foil hats block radiation too I hope . .might need that if the war in Iran keeps escalating the way it is.

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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 10:59:
Stesch wrote on Yesterday, 10:57:
Same for me, I just hate subscription based services in general and cloud computing will be exactly this... […]
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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 10:28:

Assuming this isn't an April 1st joke.

No thanks, you can keep your big brother is watching yet another subscription dystopian cloud computing.

Id rather remove all tech from my life and go live off grid than suffer the future you propose.

Same for me, I just hate subscription based services in general and cloud computing will be exactly this...

But luckily, most of us here on vogons have more than enough physical computing hardware,and as long as there is electricity, there will be computing outside of the cloud.

And know, if you will excuse me, I have some more tinfoil hats to fold 🤪

Them tin foil hats block radiation too I hope . .might need that if the war in Iran keeps escalating the way it is.

Just add a few layers more and use high quality tinfoil, it will help for sure

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Reply 312 of 319, by tomcattech

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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 10:28:

No thanks, you can keep your big brother is watching yet another subscription dystopian cloud computing.

Id rather remove all tech from my life and go live off grid than suffer the future you propose.

^^THIS^^

I have several styles\types of tin foil hats myself designed for different frequencies:
Aliens
New World Order
The Second Coming
Alternate Timeline Convergence
AI Takeover
Covid

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Reply 313 of 319, by wierd_w

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Careful friends, some mit kids did experiments on those.

Turns out they amplify the frequencies the govt uses!

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/20 … houghts/262998/

Silliness aside,

NO, STRIDENTLY NO, NO SaaS-ONLY FUTURES.

Gasping 'wont someone think of the children!?' even MOAR loudly Wont make the likes of Meta and Google suddenly become ethical or trustworthy in this, or any other respect.

(Note, not conspiracy theory indulgence.)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/jury-find … iction-lawsuits

If anything, the death-grasp and worm-tongue whispering they've been up to to push that agenda only underscores the *need* for private computing, communication, and data storage.

(Note, *STILL* not conspiracy theory indulgence)
https://gizmodo.com/group-pushing-age-verific … enai-2000741069

Reply 314 of 319, by Big Pink

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Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 10:28:

No thanks, you can keep your big brother is watching yet another subscription dystopian cloud computing.

People used to freak out about the government putting an electronic chip in their brains, but I can tell you from spending several days amidst the common man that people are ardently in favour of private entities sticking electronic chips in their palms. The future is Silicon Valley meets East Germany.

I thought IBM was born with the world

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Errius wrote on Yesterday, 08:35:

The future is cloud computing anyway. Home computers are obsolete. It's better for the environment, safer for children, harder for criminals to operate, etc. One unintended consequence of these high prices is to speed this trend along.

10+ years from now, the only private citizens operating home computers will be pirates, hackers, fraudsters, drug dealers, and similar kinds of unsavory people.

I strongly disagree. I, and millions of others, do not want "cloud computing". That means putting your data up on someone else's (for-profit) data server and compromising your security along with it. I want to have my data stored locally on my own computer(s). This has worked well for 45 years now. The rocking the boat, into a lifelong subscription-based model won't do.

True, hackers, pirates and other "unsavory" people will always want local PCs, but these very same people may end up being our salvation against the rapacious, weaned, "bleed for life" future subscription-based PCs. They will unlock / jailbreak them, make YOUR data your data once again, and hopefully send a hard message to these preying, outrageously greedy "Big 6" companies by the trickle-down economics of freeing Everyman from the shackles of Big Corp Profit.

In which world except theirs is $1000 for a 4tb SSD or $1200 for 64-GB of RAM a good one? Especially, when such components were selling for 1/4th of that a mere 6-8 months ago?!

Reply 316 of 319, by zyzzle

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zapbuzz wrote on 2026-03-30, 21:53:

now that google compress memory for AI there might just be a price crash observe: https://x.com/hardwarecanucks/status/2038684903626215898

What's old will become new again. Remember those slow, kludgy "memory doubling" softwares from 30 years ago? And hard-drive "doublers" like Stacker?

With such prices and a quadrupling in prices, such software will become in vogue again. With advances in processing power, SMP, and so on, a simple LZSS-based compression scheme should be barely noticeable on modern PCs, and it will almost literally "double" memory / storage. The problem of course is data reliability. One bit is wrongly compressed and / or power shuts off unexpectedly, and POOF! -- there goes your hard drive.

Reply 318 of 319, by LSS10999

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zyzzle wrote on Yesterday, 22:58:
I strongly disagree. I, and millions of others, do not want "cloud computing". That means putting your data up on someone else's […]
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Errius wrote on Yesterday, 08:35:

The future is cloud computing anyway. Home computers are obsolete. It's better for the environment, safer for children, harder for criminals to operate, etc. One unintended consequence of these high prices is to speed this trend along.

10+ years from now, the only private citizens operating home computers will be pirates, hackers, fraudsters, drug dealers, and similar kinds of unsavory people.

I strongly disagree. I, and millions of others, do not want "cloud computing". That means putting your data up on someone else's (for-profit) data server and compromising your security along with it. I want to have my data stored locally on my own computer(s). This has worked well for 45 years now. The rocking the boat, into a lifelong subscription-based model won't do.

True, hackers, pirates and other "unsavory" people will always want local PCs, but these very same people may end up being our salvation against the rapacious, weaned, "bleed for life" future subscription-based PCs. They will unlock / jailbreak them, make YOUR data your data once again, and hopefully send a hard message to these preying, outrageously greedy "Big 6" companies by the trickle-down economics of freeing Everyman from the shackles of Big Corp Profit.

In which world except theirs is $1000 for a 4tb SSD or $1200 for 64-GB of RAM a good one? Especially, when such components were selling for 1/4th of that a mere 6-8 months ago?!

At the moment, nothing stops us from using a PC with a dated architecture designed for a dated Windows version, that are not bound to the Cloud.

Many dated yet well-received CPU architectures are still in plenty supply but who knows how things will become a decade or two from now.

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zapbuzz wrote on 2026-03-30, 21:53:

now that google compress memory for AI there might just be a price crash observe: https://x.com/hardwarecanucks/status/2038684903626215898

What's old will become new again. Remember those slow, kludgy "memory doubling" softwares from 30 years ago? And hard-drive "doublers" like Stacker?

With such prices and a quadrupling in prices, such software will become in vogue again. With advances in processing power, SMP, and so on, a simple LZSS-based compression scheme should be barely noticeable on modern PCs, and it will almost literally "double" memory / storage. The problem of course is data reliability. One bit is wrongly compressed and / or power shuts off unexpectedly, and POOF! -- there goes your hard drive.

Back in Win7 and with old mechanical HDDs I used NTFS compression extensively on data disks, and it turned out to be a disaster when I tried reopening some old files I had a few years later... the archives report the files being corrupted, and they show a bunch of "DF" bytes at the end when opened with a hex editor. At first I thought it was virus infection, but eventually I figured out the issue might be the few disk defragment runs I did during these years... Most likely some clusters were not correctly handled by the defragmentation process and if NTFS was unable to decompress them they appear as "DF"...

Fearing the issues might bite me even more I disabled NTFS compression and eventually uncompressed those files. The "corrupted" "DF" bytes then became "00".

Since then I never touched NTFS compression until I could get some large enough SSDs to replace those mechanical HDDs, as SSDs don't need defragmentation and the performance impact from compression is less noticeable there.

And as for memory compression... I think things like zRAM were already available on Linux particularly with Android devices where RAM were scarce back then. Not sure if there's any good to use FLOSS option for modern-day Windows.

Reply 319 of 319, by wierd_w

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zyzzle wrote on Yesterday, 23:19:
zapbuzz wrote on 2026-03-30, 21:53:

now that google compress memory for AI there might just be a price crash observe: https://x.com/hardwarecanucks/status/2038684903626215898

What's old will become new again. Remember those slow, kludgy "memory doubling" softwares from 30 years ago? And hard-drive "doublers" like Stacker?

With such prices and a quadrupling in prices, such software will become in vogue again. With advances in processing power, SMP, and so on, a simple LZSS-based compression scheme should be barely noticeable on modern PCs, and it will almost literally "double" memory / storage. The problem of course is data reliability. One bit is wrongly compressed and / or power shuts off unexpectedly, and POOF! -- there goes your hard drive.

Oh, you mean ZRAM with zstd compression, and BTRFS with zstd compression and block level deduplication?

I get pretty nifty economy with both.

[note, BTRFS compression combined with block level deduplication is 'difficult' to show the proper economy of. Compsize is about the best you are gonna get, but takes some sideways looks to understand. Here, you can see that I gained about 100gb back from compression, but then got ANOTHER 400gb back from deduplication of the compressed data.]

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