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Reply 20 of 32, by Grzyb

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99% it's Duron, rather than Athlon.
So, part of the reward goes to:

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-03-31, 00:34:

Socket A Duron

In 2003, I voted in favour of joining the European Union. However, due to recent developments - especially the restrictions on cash usage - I'm hereby withdrawing my support. DOWN WITH THE EU!

Reply 21 of 32, by Ozzuneoj

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giantenemycat wrote on 2026-04-01, 17:16:

It arrived today just before I went out, only had a few minutes to open it up and have a very quick look. Let's see if anyone can id the board before I get back :^)

Ah! Nice! Definitely looks close to what I was thinking:

Socket A (still guessing it will be a Duron... I'll say 600Mhz - 700Mhz)
Budget board (PCChips, though I didn't expect it to have an AGP slot!)
AMR slot modem
Generic 300W PSU that is restricting the CPU cooling at least a bit (thankfully it isn't covering it completely)
And, despite the budget board, the caps don't look swollen. This just seems to be how these ultra low budget boards from the early 2000s are a lot of times. 😊

Definitely check the caps in the PSU though. I bet at least a few are bloated and leaking.

Pave99 wrote on 2026-04-01, 17:30:

Yep, that is definitely it!

Based on the BIOS file dates, this one is most likely from 2001-2002, but giantenemycat can confirm that when he powers it on.

I like this game. 😁

EDIT: Oh! And I still think its 128MB of RAM. It doesn't look like it was upgraded.

Also, the hard drive is one of those goofy old Seagates with the rubber jacket on it. I had guessed 20GB and I'm sticking with that guess, so it should be something like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/267604808200
(Date code is late 2001)
I guess 40GB is also a possibility, but that would have been quite a bit more expensive at the time, so I doubt it.

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 22 of 32, by momaka

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Alright, subscribe me to this game as well. At least for "newer" systems like this, I can have a better chance at guessing.

I saw this thread a few days ago, and I too immediatelly thought this would be an early and extremely budget socket A system from 2001-2002... except, my intuition was more along the lines of a cheap ECS motherboard, like the K7SEM with a soldered-on Duron CPU, and in the range of 600-750 MHz. And like Ozzuneoj above, I too am surprised the motherboard here actually has an AGP slot, given the "Modem-for-AGP-graphics" card in that upper slot. So that's a nice surprise - means this can actually make a decent Win98 system with a better GPU. Even with a lowly low Duron 600, it should still handle most late 90's games quite alright.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-04-01, 20:19:

And, despite the budget board, the caps don't look swollen. This just seems to be how these ultra low budget boards from the early 2000s are a lot of times. 😊

Or he just got lucky. I see OST RLP for the CPU VRM output/low side, which are miles better than the equivalent G-Luxon caps that were often used on these and ECS motherboards at the time. Then again, the caps could be bad but just not showing it yet, which is something I find quite often with OST's.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-04-01, 20:19:

Generic 300W PSU that is restricting the CPU cooling at least a bit (thankfully it isn't covering it completely)

Yeah, that's how these cases with "side PSUs" regularly are. Mine originally came with a Pentium II, which was fine, given it's a slot CPU and took airflow from the side. But then in the early 2000's, I upgraded to a socket A Duron with a much taller-than-necessary heatsink, and it was terribly suffocated by the PSU. Dropping the plastic adapter on that heatsink alone lowered the temperatures by close to 10C. And since there are no exhaust fans, that too made my system run hot. So I ran it with the sides removed, which dropped another 3-5C. Total went from mid-high 50's to low 40's under max load.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-04-01, 20:19:

Definitely check the caps in the PSU though. I bet at least a few are bloated and leaking.

Or just outright replace it as it's probably not worth keeping - at least not without some cap upgrades and possibly filling out the missing input AC filtering components.

Speaking of the cheap PSU, here's one area where I'm good at and can comfortably say this "generic" PSU is actually made by Linkworld.
These are pretty budget PSUs, but not terrible once upgraded with some proper parts inside (for anyone who likes to do this kind of "fuckery" like I do 🤣 ).
I'm fairly familiar with their LPJ/2 platform, but this one might be an older design of that. In any case, it should be your standard half-bridge design with lots of undersized parts and standard 2-transistor 5VSB circuit that's probably on the virge of overheating and killing itself. So caps in the PSU should definitely be changed before powering up the motherboard with this PSU.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-04-01, 20:19:
Also, the hard drive is one of those goofy old Seagates with the rubber jacket on it. I had guessed 20GB and I'm sticking with t […]
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Also, the hard drive is one of those goofy old Seagates with the rubber jacket on it. I had guessed 20GB and I'm sticking with that guess, so it should be something like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/267604808200
(Date code is late 2001)
I guess 40GB is also a possibility, but that would have been quite a bit more expensive at the time, so I doubt it.

I don't think those "goofy" rubber jacketed Seagates went that high. IIRC, they go up to about 20 GB tops. I have an 18 GB model in one of my Pentium 3 rigs, and it's been quite a reliable HDD.
Recently, I also got another one (or was it two now?? I don't remember) in the range of 8 to 10 GB.

In any case, my guess would be this one is probably more than 10 GB, but less than 18 GB. And that it still works! 😀
Note: if it clicks, DO NOT POWER IT OFF! Let it click for a bit and it should "straighten" itself out. These old Seagates have amazing recalibrating capabilities. I got an ATA IV not too long ago as well, and after about 30 seconds of clicking as it tried to startup, eventually it did. And now it works fine.

*EDIT*
No wonder this board seemed so familiar. I actually have the same thing... or a nearly identical version of it. See picture below.

One peculiarity I've ran into this board is that it does NOT want to work with NTFS-formatted OSs. I tried With XP first and then 2000, and both failed about midway through the file copying process, saying some system file (insert random name) was corrupt. Once I switched to FAT32 for my Windows 2000 install, everything went through just fine. Of course, I wanted something more retro, so I tried Windows 98SE, as seen on the picture below. I think that was my first time back on Win98 is nearly 20 or so years.

The onboard graphics aren't actually too bad for most Win95/98 games. And the onboard audio was picked up by Windows, IIRC. So not a bad little motherboard.

Reply 23 of 32, by tomcattech

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momaka wrote on 2026-04-01, 21:16:

(for anyone who likes to do this kind of "fuckery" like I do 🤣 )

I now have a new term for when the wife asks me what I'm doing with 30 year old tech parts in the office....

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I either fix it or break it permanently... there is no try.

Reply 24 of 32, by giantenemycat

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It is indeed a PCChips M810LR!

1GHz Duron 😉
256MB PC133 (not working, replaced with another)
SEAGATE ST340810A 40GB(!) HDD

I hadn't noticed these stickers underneath all the dust at first.

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Windows XP SP1

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Curiously, it doesn't seem like it was really used at all. The only software installed is SiSoft Sandra 2004...that's it.

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Everest report for anyone who wants to dig through.

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Reply 25 of 32, by pete8475

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CharlieFoxtrot wrote on 2026-04-01, 18:20:
tomcattech wrote on 2026-04-01, 17:57:
pete8475 wrote on 2026-03-31, 04:37:

I think that's going to be a PC Chips motherboard with a Celeron processor.

If confirmed... Half Right, Half Nostradamus, Half a cookie?

True. Dude’s avatar should be changed to pete4237,5 just to get things corrected somewhat.

Maybe he is just toying with us, not revealing all his crystal ball cards immediately.

🤣

I'll see if I can change my username on here.

EDIT - closest thing I can find is the signature so I've put "aka pete4237.5" in there.

aka pete4237.5

Reply 26 of 32, by Ozzuneoj

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giantenemycat wrote on 2026-04-01, 23:13:
It is indeed a PCChips M810LR! […]
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It is indeed a PCChips M810LR!

1GHz Duron 😉
256MB PC133 (not working, replaced with another)
SEAGATE ST340810A 40GB(!) HDD

I hadn't noticed these stickers underneath all the dust at first.

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Windows XP SP1

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Curiously, it doesn't seem like it was really used at all. The only software installed is SiSoft Sandra 2004...that's it.

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Everest report for anyone who wants to dig through.

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Ah! Nice!

So, it is a mid 2002 machine then! That makes sense with the higher clocked Duron, 256MB of RAM and 40GB hard drive. Honestly, it is probably a good running system for the time, even with the low budget board. A 1Ghz Duron with that much RAM and a decent 40GB hard drive would have been pretty respectable in 2002.

Also, I knew those hard drives went to at least 40GB because I had a couple and might even still have one somewhere. If I remember correctly, they often came in the Dell Dimension systems that opened like a book. There are some on ebay now:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/227185401520

I would say that this system is a good step up from being ultra budget. Also, the fact that it has that much dust in it but only has Sandra installed on the hard drive tells me that it was probably picked up by a computer shop or something and was wiped, OS reinstalled and Sandra was used for some basic testing to see if it was decent enough to sell. If you check file dates and install dates on programs (assuming the date was set correctly) I bet they are from much later than 2002. Since it wasn't resold I would bet at least 2006, or later.

EDIT: Oh! I just noticed the Event Viewer screen shots. 2005-2007 it is. That is why they didn't bother cleaning it out and it was never sold or used by anyone after they tested it with Sandra. 🙂 Also, in that case, the hard drive very well could have been a later addition to the system just to get it running after the original owner ditched it. I would have placed a 40GB drive like that in 2003 or so anyway, and I have only ever seen them come out of OEM systems like Dells (notice the OEM-only note on the one linked above). Hard to say if it is original to the system as it was built in 2002, but I am thinking it isn't... though the date code on the drive might tell us.

I'm thinking that they turned the system on after many years and the time\date was incorrect since event viewer shows the system running at ~10 minutes after midnight on 4-15-2002, and then the date jumps to 10AM on 5-5-2005 (possibly because they set the date at that point).

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Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 27 of 32, by CharlieFoxtrot

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pete8475 wrote on 2026-04-01, 23:28:
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CharlieFoxtrot wrote on 2026-04-01, 18:20:
tomcattech wrote on 2026-04-01, 17:57:

If confirmed... Half Right, Half Nostradamus, Half a cookie?

True. Dude’s avatar should be changed to pete4237,5 just to get things corrected somewhat.

Maybe he is just toying with us, not revealing all his crystal ball cards immediately.

🤣

I'll see if I can change my username on here.

EDIT - closest thing I can find is the signature so I've put "aka pete4237.5" in there.

Now were talking!

Now keep on going with nostradaming or whatever nostradamuses do, this is just getting interesting. Very few hobbyist forums in the internet are privileged to have a memeber who can see inside a closed sheet metal box without opening it.

Reply 28 of 32, by st31276a

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That “goofy” seagate is a U series, came before Barracuda series.

I got two Barracuda ATA IV’s (ST340016A) in Jan 2002. That disk is older than that.

Reply 29 of 32, by Ozzuneoj

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st31276a wrote on 2026-04-02, 15:41:

That “goofy” seagate is a U series, came before Barracuda series.

I got two Barracuda ATA IV’s (ST340016A) in Jan 2002. That disk is older than that.

The 40GB U-Series drive in the ebay link I posted above was manufactured in December of 2001. Other U-Series drives pictured online have date codes well into 2003, like this 10GB on TRW or this 40GB on ebay.

I called these goofy, because they just are 😅. Whether it was for protection, vibration dampening, absorbing noise or all of the above... when only one company wraps one line of hard drives in a rubber bikini for a couple years of production (out of 40+ years), and no one ever does it again, I think that makes it a pretty goofy design choice.

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 30 of 32, by NeoG_

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I've got a 20GB version of that drive in my 98 machine, it seems pretty solid

98/DOS Rig: BabyAT AladdinV, K6-2+/550, V3 2000, 128MB PC100, 20GB HDD, 128GB SD2IDE, SB Live!, SB16-SCSI, PicoGUS, WP32 McCake, iNFRA CD, ZIP100
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Reply 31 of 32, by giantenemycat

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NeoG_ wrote on 2026-04-02, 21:47:

I've got a 20GB version of that drive in my 98 machine, it seems pretty solid

I've amassed quite the collection of the "rubber bikinis" purely from buying all these PCs. Two 10GB, two 20GB, one 8.4GB and now one 40GB. Only one of them doesn't work.

Reply 32 of 32, by st31276a

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They certainly are great drives.

I got my st38410a in 99 to replace the wd ac23200l that failed in my Klamath-300.

Still works, but some difficult sectors might have started to form unfortunately.

Also dug out a 20GB model somewhere sometime since.