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First post, by Wilius

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Hi everyone!

Last week I bought a "untested" Toshiba Libretto 110CT at a very low price.
Unfortunately, it turned out that this Libretto does in fact NOT work.
I'm well aware that "untested" doesn't always mean it actually is, but the seller is super chill and we're currently in contact.
This is why I won't push any blame on him.
It's old hardware. These things happen.

The laptop does power on, but shows no signs of life otherwise.
The screen remains dark and displays no image, even when shining a bright flashlight at it.
So for now we can rule out the LCD backlight as the source of the problem.
The hard drive spins up, but there is no further activity.
The HDD LED only flickers briefly upon turning it on and then stays off.
There are also no POST beeps.

When I try to shut it down, it doesn't respond immediately to the power button.
It usually takes about 7 seconds of holding down the button to power it off, and even that doesn’t always work reliably.

I read that these laptops may refuse to boot with a faulty hard drive, so I installed a known working drive, but this didn’t change anything.
I also read that leaking batteries are a common issue.
However, after removing the keyboard, I discovered that the previous owner had already removed it, and there are no signs of corrosion or leakage.

I then completely disassembled the device to inspect the motherboard for visible defects, but couldn’t find any obvious damage.
Before reassembling, I made sure that all connectors (including the LCD cable) were properly seated.

I should mention that my Libretto was shipped without a AC adapter or docking station, so I am currently relying solely on the included PA2502U battery.
In case you are wondering: I charge the battery using my Toshiba Libretto 50CT, and I can confirm that it still holds a charge and lasts long enough to boot that system into Windows 95.

As far as I can tell, the machine is in original condition.
Although the previous owner clearly opened it at some point, there are no visible hardware modifications.
However, this doesn't completely rule out the possibility that the previous owner may have tampered with the device in some other way.

At the moment, I see three main causes:

- defective onboard RAM
- corrupted BIOS
- power/voltage issues (voltage regulators, capacitors, power management IC, etc.)

To me it looks like my Libretto doesn’t even initialize the POST sequence or tries to execute any code.

I'm running out of ideas and am not sure what to try next.
As a last resort, I could attempt to fully recap the board or try to reflash the BIOS with an external programmer.
But before going down that route, I'd like to ask if any of you might have other suggestions on how I could get my Libretto working again.
What do you think?
Is my 110CT beyond repair, or is there still hope for a fix?

Thank you in advance for your help!

Reply 1 of 9, by sangokushi

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Have you tried plugged-in the 50CT PCMCIA floppy drive to 110CT, to see if it tried to boot from the floppy?

Reply 2 of 9, by Thermalwrong

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Have you got the port expander or dock? Further diagnostics will require a parallel port POST code reader and to use that you'll need the port expander to have a parallel port.

What hard drive have you fitted? Double check that the hard drive is installed correctly, because the system won't POST if the hard drive can't be detected - just tested that on my 100CT. It sticks on 0Dh / 19h - see the "l100mm.pdf" for the codes, though I thought it would freeze on 7Bh which is the actual HDD detection code
The Libretto 100CT can fit 9.5mm drives it looks like.

If you have it apart, check the area around where the RTC battery plugs in, my first 100CT had terrible corrosion there and would also not POST.

Reply 3 of 9, by Wilius

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sangokushi wrote on Today, 03:22:

Have you tried plugged-in the 50CT PCMCIA floppy drive to 110CT, to see if it tried to boot from the floppy?

Yeah, I did that, and unfortunately (and as expected) it made no difference. My 50CT, on the other hand, boots immediately from my Windows 98 boot disk.

Reply 4 of 9, by Wilius

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Thermalwrong wrote on Today, 11:33:

Have you got the port expander or dock? Further diagnostics will require a parallel port POST code reader and to use that you'll need the port expander to have a parallel port.

I don't yet own a port replicator.
However, the seller is willing to lend me his.
As soon as I have the port replicator, I'll try your suggestion and get back to you as soon as I have any results.
But I'll be honest, so far everything points to a hardware defect (or a corrupted BIOS).

Thermalwrong wrote on Today, 11:33:

What hard drive have you fitted? Double check that the hard drive is installed correctly, because the system won't POST if the hard drive can't be detected - just tested that on my 100CT. It sticks on 0Dh / 19h - see the "l100mm.pdf" for the codes, though I thought it would freeze on 7Bh which is the actual HDD detection code
The Libretto 100CT can fit 9.5mm drives it looks like.

My hard drive is a Toshiba MK0803MAT, and I've made sure it's seated correctly.
It only has 815 MB, but it works perfectly with my 50CT.
So why shouldn't it work with my 110CT?

Thermalwrong wrote on Today, 11:33:

If you have it apart, check the area around where the RTC battery plugs in, my first 100CT had terrible corrosion there and would also not POST.

I checked this in advance and there are no signs of corrosion whatsoever.

Reply 5 of 9, by Thermalwrong

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Yeah it's weird that it's not working if there's no evidence of corrosion.
Try removing / reseating the memory expansion module if it has one fitted or try without it.
I do recall that my 100CT has scared me a couple of times with not POSTing but reseating the memory card or hard drive fixed it each time.

Reply 6 of 9, by Wilius

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Thermalwrong wrote on Today, 18:14:

Yeah it's weird that it's not working if there's no evidence of corrosion.
Try removing / reseating the memory expansion module if it has one fitted or try without it.
I do recall that my 100CT has scared me a couple of times with not POSTing but reseating the memory card or hard drive fixed it each time.

Unfortunately my 110CT does not have the memory expansion module.
If it did, it would've totally been my first step too, to check if it's seated properly.
So if it's actually a problem with the onboard RAM, I'm cooked.

Reply 7 of 9, by Wilius

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The seller of my Libretto suggested, that I should carefully clean the motherboard with 99.9% isopropyl alcohol or a pcb friendly cleaner.
What do you think? Should I try it, or is it a waste of time?

Reply 8 of 9, by onethirdxcubed

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My Libretto 110ct occasionally refuses to boot without the docking station and an external monitor connected. You may need to get a replacement CMOS battery. Also try holding ESC on power up.

Reply 9 of 9, by Wilius

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onethirdxcubed wrote on Today, 19:10:

My Libretto 110ct occasionally refuses to boot without the docking station and an external monitor connected. You may need to get a replacement CMOS battery. Also try holding ESC on power up.

I really hope you're right.
I would be more than just happy, if this magically brought my Libretto back to life.
But, as I mentioned, I don't have the docking station yet.
As soon as I do, I'll definitely put your suggestion to the test and get back to you.
And if that doesn't work, I'll get myself a replacement CMOS battery.
I need one anyway, since I definitely want to get another 100CT/110CT in the future if I can't get this one working.
I don't have much experience with the 100CT/110CT, so can someone please tell me what CMOS battery I need to order?