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Reply 781 of 787, by pete8475

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kameshazam wrote on 2026-04-07, 17:34:
pete8475 wrote on 2026-04-04, 19:30:
leileilol wrote on 2026-04-04, 01:08:

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Reflex Arena
(beware it's promode poisoned though)

What does "promode poisoned" mean?

My guess? pay to win.

Thanks.

I googled the term and got 0 results.

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Reply 783 of 787, by kolderman

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Reply 785 of 787, by leileilol

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pete8475 wrote on 2026-04-07, 22:18:

I googled the term and got 0 results.

i can't even

ok quick brief history lesson. in 2000 there was a screed about quake3 being too much designed for casuals (unbelievable right?) and they wanted a 'pro version' that wasn't fun, and thus promode was established. and then that screed's scope gained into cheat territory (brightskins, keels only, no shadows, absolutely no texture detail) and such killed q3's scene. That's 'promode poisoning'. Quake Live pandered for them and couldn't sustain having new blood. Reflex was aimed to tap into these promode people but wasn't commercially successful either. Quake Champions gets a lot of complaints about being too graphically rich (therefore resisting the poisoning) so it still has (some) players.

Anyway Reflex Arena was a paid game that just got free.

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Reply 786 of 787, by kolderman

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Interesting. But what was the "and they wanted a 'pro version' that wasn't fun, and thus promode was established.". Was it a new release or a mod or what?

Reply 787 of 787, by pete8475

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leileilol wrote on Today, 02:37:
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pete8475 wrote on 2026-04-07, 22:18:

I googled the term and got 0 results.

i can't even

ok quick brief history lesson. in 2000 there was a screed about quake3 being too much designed for casuals (unbelievable right?) and they wanted a 'pro version' that wasn't fun, and thus promode was established. and then that screed's scope gained into cheat territory (brightskins, keels only, no shadows, absolutely no texture detail) and such killed q3's scene. That's 'promode poisoning'. Quake Live pandered for them and couldn't sustain having new blood. Reflex was aimed to tap into these promode people but wasn't commercially successful either. Quake Champions gets a lot of complaints about being too graphically rich (therefore resisting the poisoning) so it still has (some) players.

Anyway Reflex Arena was a paid game that just got free.

Thanks!

What does "keels only" mean though?

I googled "keels only quake" and there is a character named Keel in Quake 3 and Quake Champions, so was that a mode where everyone used that model or something along those lines?

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