I've never heard of the game running anything higher than 640x480

NeoG_ wrote on Yesterday, 23:33:

I've never heard of the game running anything higher than 640x480

stupid google AI

He gaves me advice for 30 minutes to get it working at 800 x 600

He told me only the windows installation can offer 800 x600 not the dos installation and only the se version of the first nfs

Google AI gets stuff wrong all the time. This is the problem with current AI, they're confidently wrong.

Shponglefan wrote on Yesterday, 23:40:

Google AI gets stuff wrong all the time. This is the problem with current AI, they're confidently wrong.

yeah i see it now. Even after 15min, i doubt it, i ask him again , are you sure about the 800 x600 ? he told me yes, nfs1 se can have 800 x600 and nfs2 se top at 640 x 480. !!!! i just told him that he made a error and 800 x 600 doesnt exist because i got the confirmation from vogons forum. he answered me i'm sorry i got confused with the wrapper and some patch.

Thanks a lot for your help and answers guys !!!

For completeness, I belive NFS 3 was the first entry into the franchise that supported resolutions higher than 640x480 natively. NFS II SE has a high resolution patch by Verok but I believe it's for use with glide wrappers on modern systems, not period hardware.

Yet people that should know better still continue to feed the AI. I don’t and won’t use them at all.

I dread the day that normal search engines are phased out for AI bots.

renejr902 wrote on Yesterday, 23:12:

The AI google told me that game can work in 800 x600 if the windows version is installed. I tried 3 different pc configuration a […]
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The AI google told me that game can work in 800 x600 if the windows version is installed.
I tried 3 different pc configuration and no one in win95 or win98 show a 800 x 600 resolution option in graphics option

Does this game really support 800 x 600 if windows vrrsion is installed ? or AI google made a stupid error and i lost 2h triing that 🤣

Thanks for answer or help to get ut working in 800 x 600.

( i use real hardware not dos box , i have the cd version of nfs se , the first need for speed. )

Expecting Google AI to be correct is like expecting Wikipedia to be correct 100% of the time.

Always fact check the output AI gives you with as many sources as you can.

Yeah, kinda scary how some people are promoting that we should trust AI to hand off work to. Like auto-responding to your emails, messing with your calendar, giving access to your files.

I am a software developer by profession. I use AI all day, as a tool. But I verify everything that I ask it to do, as it has quite often hallucinated. It very commonly will come up with a solution that's more complex than needed.

It writes code that usually works but, honestly, what it writes can quickly become unmaintainable if you let it.

But, on the other hand, it does spot mistakes that I make. So, human and AI as a team is the winning combo. Never blindly trust it.

nfs2se is hardcoded for 640x480. I dont think the hud and menus will look right in any other resolution.

It runs on a P1, but is a slideshow in software mode.

It pulls smooth on a PII-300 with AGP Virge in software mode.

Spending two hours on this was unnecessary. Here's advice from AI to you:

Do:
- Ask for evidence
- Ask for explicit uncertainty
- Ask for a verification checklist (which game files, sources, etc. to examine yourself)
- Cross-check

Avoid:
- Troubleshooting before verification
- Leading prompts

Use AI more so you learn to spot the pattern and break out of it.

Uh oh, someone said "AI" three times and summoned vvbeetlejuice!

vvbee wrote on Today, 14:03:

Do: - Ask for evidence - Ask for explicit uncertainty - Ask for a verification checklist (which game files, sources, etc. to exa […]
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Do:
- Ask for evidence
- Ask for explicit uncertainty
- Ask for a verification checklist (which game files, sources, etc. to examine yourself)
- Cross-check

You don't need AI to do any of this.

It's a complete waste of time to ask AI for advice, if one has to validate everything it tells you in the first place.

Better to just go to the underlying sources of information from the get-go. And we already have tools for doing that.

The whole point of NFS:SE was that unlike the "just like your PS1" 320 resolution of regular NFS, SE actually could run on a more PC worthy 640 resolution. It's incredible that AI could hallucinate 800 for SE as its 640 resolution is so well documented. It's almost as bad as saying the Smart Forfour has 6 seats.

Proud owner of the NFS:SE big box, bought new back in the day.

Shponglefan wrote on Today, 14:50:

You don't need AI to do any of this. […]
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vvbee wrote on Today, 14:03:

Do: - Ask for evidence - Ask for explicit uncertainty - Ask for a verification checklist (which game files, sources, etc. to exa […]
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Do:
- Ask for evidence
- Ask for explicit uncertainty
- Ask for a verification checklist (which game files, sources, etc. to examine yourself)
- Cross-check

You don't need AI to do any of this.

It's a complete waste of time to ask AI for advice, if one has to validate everything it tells you in the first place.

Better to just go to the underlying sources of information from the get-go. And we already have tools for doing that.

The part you quoted is valid for evaluating any source of information, you're barking up the wrong tree on that one. As for OP's question, it's not the best use of AI, but also not something that would rabbithole you if you had experience in using AI.

vvbee wrote on Today, 15:27:

The part you quoted is valid for evaluating any source of information, you're barking up the wrong tree on that one.

I'm suggesting using a reliable source from the get-go, rather than using a secondary source that one then has to validate.

LLM is not "he".
LLMs dont have concept of ground truth thus there is no right or wrong. LLMs operate on probabilities.

There are patches to force higher res in NFS2 Need for Speed 2SE higher resolution? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJPCfaQ_vo "3840x2160 8x MSAA + 8x Super Sampling Transparency AA + FXAA + 16x AF all forced via GPU driver." https://www.wsgf.org/dr/need-speed-2-se

mobygames is pretty good for old game specs https://www.mobygames.com/game/654/the-need-f … -edition/specs/

google ai does indeed claim 800x600 because of https://sourceforge.net/p/dxwnd/discussion/ge … hread/c16c0fca/ and dxwnd ability to scale windows 🤣

Shponglefan wrote on Today, 14:50:

You don't need AI to do any of this.

It's a complete waste of time to ask AI for advice, if one has to validate everything it tells you in the first place.

Better to just go to the underlying sources of information from the get-go. And we already have tools for doing that.

I disagree. It is useful, as long as you bear in mind it's limitations.

I have actually been discussing retro hardware with Claude AI today. It did hallucinate on me. For example it suggested running Wing Commander on my NuXT that I was discussing building. It didn't admit that it didn’t know the full specs of the motherboard. Once I told it the full specs of the motherboard, it corrected itself, and suggested games like Sopwith, Alleycat etc.

I am not necessarily using it for concrete information. More to bounce ideas off and to get inspiration. I can look up it's suggestions to see if they are valid.

For more concrete advice I would, of course, come to VOGONS.

RetroPCCupboard wrote on Today, 15:55:

I am not necessarily using it for concrete information. More to bounce ideas off and to get inspiration.

I just use VOGONS for that as it is. That, plus I've got a backlog of retro projects and ideas that will already last me years.

The only use-case I've found AI useful for is as a way of searching Youtube videos, specifically for finding specific time-stamps in longer videos.

Shponglefan wrote on Today, 15:58:

I just use VOGONS for that as it is. That, plus I've got a backlog of retro projects and ideas that will already last me years.

The only use-case I've found AI useful for is as a way of searching Youtube videos, specifically for finding specific time-stamps in longer videos.

Fair enough. I do both. 😀 AI has made valid suggestions to me that compliment those given by the VOGONs community. For example in my 8 PCs in a cupboard project, it spotted mistakes I had made on some stated release dates of hardware. It also pointed out some gaps in my spacing, unusual pairings of hardware and excessive overlaps.