tehsiggi wrote on 2026-05-02, 17:01:

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Finally.

Can't wait to give her a try and figure out what's wrong with her.

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Nice card!

pete8475 wrote on 2026-05-01, 19:53:

pete8475 wrote on 2026-04-20, 05:05:

I bought a DFI brand socket 478 motherboard with ISA slots on ebay today, also a P4 2.8 533FSB processor.

I've wanted another P4 for a while and I specifically went with this board that has no AGP so I wouldn't be tempted to just slam in one of high end Geforce FX series cards I have yet again. This way I'll get some use out of the various PCI video cards I have and some ISA expansion cards too.

Hopefully it doesn't take months to get here, it's coming from Guangzhou, China.

So this stuff arrived today and they ended up sending the version of the board that has a fake AGP slot that only works with the DVI add-on card for the onboard video and the CF-card slot. No big deal to me but neither feature is of use to me, also they included a P4 2.8 with the board along with the seperate CPU I ordered so now I have 2 2.8GHZ P4 processors.

Anyway when I test this stuff out later today I'm going to do some benchmarking with the various PCI cards I have, I'll make a new thread about that later.

That is so dumb that they used an AGP slot for a DVI add-in board and not as an actual AGP slot. They should of used another connector so people wouldn't get confused! I know Dell did a similar thing, where it wasn't an actual AGP slot, just a memory upgrade for the onboard video.

johnvosh wrote on 2026-05-03, 20:08:

Bought an ATI Radeon 9200 128MB AGP in box. I know it is not a very desirable card, but I'm happy to have it in my collection. Hard to find these older video cards with boxes for a good price. The package with the driver CD and manual is still sealed and from looking at the connector on the card and the VGA connector, this card looks to be new or installed only once.

The Atari PC Catalog highlights a few games: RollerCoaster Tycoon 3, Sid Meier's Pirates, Axis & Allies, Chris Sawyer's Locomotion, Dragonshard, Act of War: Direct Action, Shadow Ops: Red Mercury, Demon Stone, Neverwinter Nights Platinum, Sid Meier's Civilization III Complete. At the end it shows the badges for the Radeon X800 Series, X600 Series, X300 Series.

Your box is in relatively good condition. Should we be doing something to preserve the boxes that are rarer than the cards inside them?

AaronS wrote on 2026-05-02, 00:24:

Oh thats sad then lol […]
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Oh thats sad then 🤣

Yeah I saw this page and its a little confusing, but good to know that only Actua Soccer isn't playable https://gona.mactar.hu/ATI3DCIF/

So would Rage XL be the "best" card for CIF?

EDIT: Oh I forgot ebay is flooded with these cards, can be had for really cheap, are they clones or just reused chips if I wanted to get an XL?

If you dont count Actua Soccer DOS game:
Get any Rage Pro PCI/AGP or Rage XL AGP (LASB22), right Rage XL AGP is 10 or more % faster. Rage XL AGP=99% good and Rage Pro 100%
For PCI get Rage Pro/Rage LT PRO/Rage Pro Turbo 4-8MB. NB! Later Rage XL/XC PCI (4752/4753) LASB41 dont work, non working CIF drv.
8MB cards are bit better cards than 4MB and AGP is faster than PCI cards, best is AGP and 8MB, there are 16MB Rage Pro cards (only mac).
There is no advantage to get Rage2 over Rage3 for Win9x,just avoid Rage XL PCI or Rage XC PCI cards and use My3DCIF drivers if you want.

For AGP and Rage XL (should be LASB22)
These are good ones, but odd shaped cards:
Rage XL AGP 8MB 2xAGP pn 109-66700-00
Rage XL AGP 8MB 2xAGP pn 109-66700-01
Rage XL AGP 8MB 2xAGP pn 109-66710-01

marxveix wrote on Yesterday, 08:13:

If you dont count Actua Soccer DOS game: Get any Rage Pro PCI/AGP or Rage XL AGP (LASB22), right Rage XL AGP is 10 or more % fas […]
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If you dont count Actua Soccer DOS game:
Get any Rage Pro PCI/AGP or Rage XL AGP (LASB22), right Rage XL AGP is 10 or more % faster. Rage XL AGP=99% good and Rage Pro 100%
For PCI get Rage Pro/Rage LT PRO/Rage Pro Turbo 4-8MB. NB! Later Rage XL/XC PCI (4752/4753) LASB41 dont work, non working CIF drv.
8MB cards are bit better cards than 4MB and AGP is faster than PCI cards, best is AGP and 8MB, there are 16MB Rage Pro cards (only mac).
There is no advantage to get Rage2 over Rage3 for Win9x,just avoid Rage XL PCI or Rage XC PCI cards and use My3DCIF drivers if you want.

For AGP and Rage XL (should be LASB22)
These are good ones, but odd shaped cards:
Rage XL AGP 8MB 2xAGP pn 109-66700-00
Rage XL AGP 8MB 2xAGP pn 109-66700-01
Rage XL AGP 8MB 2xAGP pn 109-66710-01

Thanks, for my main setup I only have PCI (AM3 board), so PCI Pro is what I'll look out for. There is currently a PCI Pro LT on ebay but a bit more than I would like to pay, I'll keep looking.

AaronS wrote on Yesterday, 12:46:

Thanks, for my main setup I only have PCI (AM3 board), so PCI Pro is what I'll look out for. There is currently a PCI Pro LT on ebay but a bit more than I would like to pay, I'll keep looking.

Your AM3 board supports Win9x? Rage3 with PCI costs more, except those Chinese LASB41 Rage XL PCI (4752) that you dont want for CIF.

marxveix wrote on Yesterday, 14:35:

AaronS wrote on Yesterday, 12:46:

Thanks, for my main setup I only have PCI (AM3 board), so PCI Pro is what I'll look out for. There is currently a PCI Pro LT on ebay but a bit more than I would like to pay, I'll keep looking.

Your AM3 board supports Win9x? Rage3 with PCI costs more, except those Chinese LASB41 Rage XL PCI (4752) that you dont want for CIF.

Not officially of course, but its absolutely rock solid stability. I mainly wanted to use it for DOS and games like Tomb Raider which look pretty awful without Glide or CIF, and Rage cards aren't anywhere near as expensive so, I'll take CIF 🤣

I picked up this mobile celeron (Mendocino) cpu with socket 370 interposer:

Karbist wrote on Yesterday, 19:49:

I picked up this mobile celeron (Mendocino) cpu with socket 370 interposer: […]
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I picked up this mobile celeron (Mendocino) cpu with socket 370 interposer:

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That's a neat purchase. I wonder how well these might overclock, it would be quite interesting to pit one against a typical celeron of the same socket and see which performs the best. Today I purchased the most exciting thing ever, a packet of 10 floppy disks, new and sealed in a really fetching lime green colour!
I've also just listed my P4 Extreme Edition for sale and am questioning what I've done. I'll need some 3dfx for therapy when it goes. Does anyone else feel bad for letting pieces of their stash go? My partner is of course thrilled and thinks it's the start of me clearing out my hoard. She'll never read this so I'll say it here - she'll be going before the rest of my retro does 😀

Hello

Recently i've been more selective with additions to my collection. I'd like to free up some space as well.

So i got a Sony Trinitron CRT (yeah not getting me closer to free space).

It had convergence problems and i learned a lot by adjusting the beams.

On computer stuff, the last main additions were an STG2000 (Nvidia NV1) with SEGA Saturn controllers and a sealed Matrox m3D (PoweVR PCX2)

I spent a lot of time testing the NV1 and finding a good system for it (something like a pentium 100. A faster CPU make the card slower than software rendering)
I will probably open the m3D box (😱) because i really want to try it.

UUUUUUU... its real ?
sealed m3d ?

acl wrote on Today, 08:06:

On computer stuff, the last main additions were an STG2000 (Nvidia NV1) with SEGA Saturn controllers...

Wow, Impressive!

acl wrote on Today, 08:06:

...and a sealed Matrox m3D (PoweVR PCX2)

WTF??? You rarely see these loose, let alone boxed! I don't think I've ever seen a sealed one, although I had a pre-built PC with one back in 1998.

I upgraded my RAM's! Scored a set of 5 IBM PC100 ECC 128mb memory sticks for my Compaq Deskpro. Three matched sticks in the machine, two spares. 😀

acl wrote on Today, 08:06:

Hello […]
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Hello

Recently i've been more selective with additions to my collection. I'd like to free up some space as well.

So i got a Sony Trinitron CRT (yeah not getting me closer to free space).

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It had convergence problems and i learned a lot by adjusting the beams.

On computer stuff, the last main additions were an STG2000 (Nvidia NV1) with SEGA Saturn controllers and a sealed Matrox m3D (PoweVR PCX2)

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I spent a lot of time testing the NV1 and finding a good system for it (something like a pentium 100. A faster CPU make the card slower than software rendering)
I will probably open the m3D box (😱) because i really want to try it.

You're my hero, congratulations!

It reminds me of a short mundane story. Around 30 years ago I was shopping around for best sum price on a bundle of items including a Voodoo, and one mail-order company was offering £30 Orchid Voodoo when 4Mb cards were discontinued excess stock. However, the mail-order company could not price match the other items on my shopping list so I assumed I'd need to split the order - but at the time the call I wasn't entirely sure what the optimal split would be, so I said I'll call back when I know what to bundle with the Orchid Voodoo. Call ends.

Later, at close of the day he called me! I apologised and explained that my whole bundle turned out cheapest if I bought a Guillemot Voodoo from one of his competitors, and the P&P on one item prevented it being cheaper than the one in the combined P&P. And, I'd already placed that other order. The guy was emotionally frustrated. He explained that he'd set the Orchid Voodoo aside especially for me, and asked me what he is supposed to do with it now?!

To which I suggested he sell it to someone else. And, that is how I discovered that one of the UK's most prominently advertised mail-order businesses was actually one chap working a zero stock business from his bedroom. I wonder if the set-aside Orchid Voodoo is the very same Orchid Voodoo now listed on eBay at >£1k? 😉

Now that I more clearly recall acquiring the Guillemot, I remember it had a box in the home from which (I am told) everything went into storage. That means there is a chance that the box for the Guillemot survived in the bundle of stuff that remains in storage with other missing items. Hmm.. must go back for another hunt.

As for current eBay listings, I am too scared to pay sealed box prices. What scares me about sealed boxes is... Sealed by who? What's inside? How can I solve that puzzle without making it an opened box?

nuno14272 wrote on Today, 08:30:

UUUUUUU... its real ?
sealed m3d ?

devius wrote on Today, 10:55:

acl wrote on Today, 08:06:

...and a sealed Matrox m3D (PoweVR PCX2)

WTF??? You rarely see these loose, let alone boxed! I don't think I've ever seen a sealed one, although I had a pre-built PC with one back in 1998.

I waited to get my hands on it before celebrating.

@devius how was the card in your 1998 setup ?

MattRocks wrote on Today, 13:38:

As for current eBay listings, I am too scared to pay sealed box prices. What scares me about sealed boxes is... Sealed by who? What's inside? How can I solve that puzzle without making it an opened box?

I was not actually looking for a sealed one. It's a bit of a burden because i like to use the parts and it's always a dilemma : open or not. Having an opened box or the part alone remove this burden.

The story is interesting because the seller had posted his listing on a local classifieds site but didn't want to ship. At all.
He had obviously received many offers in case he changed his mind.
He did indeed change his mind and contacted me again because I had been the most polite.
Which proves my parents were right to insist on that

The price was also really good, around 130€ incl shipping.
If the item had been at "eBay boxed item" prices, I would have passed.

@MattRocks
I have a friend who had doubts about a boxed Voodoo5 (which he had paid a lot for) and he was able to have it X-rayed by one of his acquaintances who worked in a dental prosthetics office.

@acl, I still don't think I'll be seeking sealed boxes but that is a good idea worth remembering.

Folks, please help me out - what do you think this sticker says? I'm fairly confident I can read, and I'm fairly confident the seller who supplied it thinks I cannot.

MattRocks wrote on Today, 15:43:

@acl, I still don't think I'll be seeking sealed boxes but that is a good idea worth remembering.

Folks, please help me out - what do you think this sticker says? I'm fairly confident I can read, and I'm fairly confident the seller who supplied it thinks I cannot.

I read Radeon 9500 128Mb

MattRocks wrote on Today, 13:38:

You're my hero, congratulations! […]
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acl wrote on Today, 08:06:

Hello […]
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Hello

Recently i've been more selective with additions to my collection. I'd like to free up some space as well.

So i got a Sony Trinitron CRT (yeah not getting me closer to free space).

The attachment TrinitronCRT.jpg is no longer available

It had convergence problems and i learned a lot by adjusting the beams.

On computer stuff, the last main additions were an STG2000 (Nvidia NV1) with SEGA Saturn controllers and a sealed Matrox m3D (PoweVR PCX2)

The attachment NV1-STG2000.jpg is no longer available

The attachment M3D.jpg is no longer available

I spent a lot of time testing the NV1 and finding a good system for it (something like a pentium 100. A faster CPU make the card slower than software rendering)
I will probably open the m3D box (😱) because i really want to try it.

You're my hero, congratulations!

It reminds me of a short mundane story. Around 30 years ago I was shopping around for best sum price on a bundle of items including a Voodoo, and one mail-order company was offering £30 Orchid Voodoo when 4Mb cards were discontinued excess stock. However, the mail-order company could not price match the other items on my shopping list so I assumed I'd need to split the order - but at the time the call I wasn't entirely sure what the optimal split would be, so I said I'll call back when I know what to bundle with the Orchid Voodoo. Call ends.

Later, at close of the day he called me! I apologised and explained that my whole bundle turned out cheapest if I bought a Guillemot Voodoo from one of his competitors, and the P&P on one item prevented it being cheaper than the one in the combined P&P. And, I'd already placed that other order. The guy was emotionally frustrated. He explained that he'd set the Orchid Voodoo aside especially for me, and asked me what he is supposed to do with it now?!

To which I suggested he sell it to someone else. And, that is how I discovered that one of the UK's most prominently advertised mail-order businesses was actually one chap working a zero stock business from his bedroom. I wonder if the set-aside Orchid Voodoo is the very same Orchid Voodoo now listed on eBay at >£1k? 😉

Now that I more clearly recall acquiring the Guillemot, I remember it had a box in the home from which (I am told) everything went into storage. That means there is a chance that the box for the Guillemot survived in the bundle of stuff that remains in storage with other missing items. Hmm.. must go back for another hunt.

As for current eBay listings, I am too scared to pay sealed box prices. What scares me about sealed boxes is... Sealed by who? What's inside? How can I solve that puzzle without making it an opened box?

Ya I dont care for sealed , especiallu from ebay. Not PC games or PC hardware. You might buy it and then leave it displayed , sealed for years and one day your kids opens it and you have a nice heavy rock in the box that you proudly displayed for years.

EduBat wrote on Today, 16:35:

MattRocks wrote on Today, 15:43:

@acl, I still don't think I'll be seeking sealed boxes but that is a good idea worth remembering.

Folks, please help me out - what do you think this sticker says? I'm fairly confident I can read, and I'm fairly confident the seller who supplied it thinks I cannot.

I read Radeon 9500 128Mb

Indeed.

The seller listed it as a 9700 Pro, and claimed to have tested it. They also packaged it poorly. Fortunately, there are remedies for situations like this.

MattRocks wrote on Today, 15:43:

@acl, I still don't think I'll be seeking sealed boxes but that is a good idea worth remembering.

Folks, please help me out - what do you think this sticker says? I'm fairly confident I can read, and I'm fairly confident the seller who supplied it thinks I cannot.

9500!