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First post, by TheMobRules

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A few years ago I got a Radeon 9800 Pro that appeared to be in good physical condition when it comes to the components, although it was completely covered in that disgusting tar so common on smoker's items. Also, the original heatsink was stuck and completely clogged with that crap, so I removed it, gave the card a good cleaning and tested it with a temp heatsink, luckily everything was working fine.

Fast forward some time and I got one of those Zalman VF700 coolers from the mid-2000's and when I was going to install it something caught my eye: all the chips and components, including the GPU itself, have date codes from mid-2008. I find that strange, what would be the reason to keep manufacturing a high-end card from 2003 five years later? Is that a common practice? I don't think this just a case of leftover GPU stock, since the GPU is from 2008 as well! Also, on the back there's a Dell P/N so that gives other clues about its origins... don't know much about Dell computers from that era, maybe someone familiar can identify what model it came from.

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At least it's an R360 instead of R350, which means I could probably increase the core clock to 9800XT speeds without much trouble right? What tool would be best for doing this?

Reply 1 of 7, by shevalier

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https://archive.techarp.com/showarticle0a06.h … artno=92&pgno=2

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Reply 2 of 7, by tehsiggi

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Yep, it's a Radeon 9800Pro reference layout (based off of the 9700Pros reference layout) with an R360. The core will likely do XT speeds just fine. Memory depends on what memory is installed, but in all honesty, I wouldn't stress that BGA memory any more than necessary, the 256 bit bus already shovels a lot of data for the GPU.

This card will not be able to give you information such as GPU or ambient temp, as the layout has no room for an LM63 (like the XT PCB has), but that's a gimmick anyway.

For testing XT speeds you can just use ATITool or ATITrayTools.

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Reply 3 of 7, by TheMobRules

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shevalier wrote on Today, 05:42:

Thanks! It has become harder to find those old articles as many of the sites have taken them down (or they are even completely gone), so the only hope is to find archived data.

tehsiggi wrote on Today, 07:12:

Yep, it's a Radeon 9800Pro reference layout (based off of the 9700Pros reference layout) with an R360. The core will likely do XT speeds just fine. Memory depends on what memory is installed, but in all honesty, I wouldn't stress that BGA memory any more than necessary, the 256 bit bus already shovels a lot of data for the GPU.

This card will not be able to give you information such as GPU or ambient temp, as the layout has no room for an LM63 (like the XT PCB has), but that's a gimmick anyway.

For testing XT speeds you can just use ATITool or ATITrayTools.

Yeah, I think I'll keep the RAM speed at Pro stock value, I've heard the number one cause of death for these cards is the BGA RAM...

Reply 4 of 7, by shevalier

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I don't think the Radeon 97/800 has any issues with the memory itself.
1. Poor cooling (except for models with a big turbine fan. The small fan is essentially a turbine, whereas the large one is a conventional fan.
The big turbine was introduced in the X800/X1900 models)
2. A poorly designed and awkwardly placed Molex connector. If it’s plugged in carelessly, the card bends significantly.
This is precisely why the memory chips come loose.
So memory with heatsinks won’t cause any problems.
At the same time, the XT BIOS offers some advantages on its own, unlocking additional core features.

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Reply 5 of 7, by tehsiggi

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shevalier wrote on Today, 10:11:
I don't think the Radeon 97/800 has any issues with the memory itself. 1. Poor cooling (except for models with a big turbine fan […]
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I don't think the Radeon 97/800 has any issues with the memory itself.
1. Poor cooling (except for models with a big turbine fan. The small fan is essentially a turbine, whereas the large one is a conventional fan.
The big turbine was introduced in the X800/X1900 models)
2. A poorly designed and awkwardly placed Molex connector. If it’s plugged in carelessly, the card bends significantly.
This is precisely why the memory chips come loose.
So memory with heatsinks won’t cause any problems.
At the same time, the XT BIOS offers some advantages on its own, unlocking additional core features.

I wouldn't leave it at that. I've had attempts at memory repairs which were only successful by replacing the whole chip. Reballing the existing chip did not work. So there it wasn't only a matter of lose connections between BGA and PCB.

I've also seen failures in 9600TX (Medion 9500Pro) with fast TSOP memory where the TSOP memory ICs died and needed to be replaced.

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Reply 6 of 7, by shevalier

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tehsiggi wrote on Today, 10:27:
shevalier wrote on Today, 10:11:
I don't think the Radeon 97/800 has any issues with the memory itself. 1. Poor cooling (except for models with a big turbine fan […]
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I don't think the Radeon 97/800 has any issues with the memory itself.
1. Poor cooling (except for models with a big turbine fan. The small fan is essentially a turbine, whereas the large one is a conventional fan.
The big turbine was introduced in the X800/X1900 models)
2. A poorly designed and awkwardly placed Molex connector. If it’s plugged in carelessly, the card bends significantly.
This is precisely why the memory chips come loose.
So memory with heatsinks won’t cause any problems.
At the same time, the XT BIOS offers some advantages on its own, unlocking additional core features.

I wouldn't leave it at that. I've had attempts at memory repairs which were only successful by replacing the whole chip. Reballing the existing chip did not work. So there it wasn't only a matter of lose connections between BGA and PCB.

I've also seen failures in 9600TX (Medion 9500Pro) with fast TSOP memory where the TSOP memory ICs died and needed to be replaced.

ATI has already realised that it’s time to cool the memory in the 9800XT model.
https://www.guru3d.com/miraserver/images/revi … xt/DSC03513.JPG

https://www.guru3d.com/miraserver/images/revi … xt/DSC03514.JPG

But @TheMobRules has already fitted the radiators as a precaution, so there won’t be any issues with overheating.
Besides, that doesn’t necessarily mean that his graphics card will be able to reach those VRAM frequencies..

Aopen MX3S, PIII-S Tualatin 1133, Radeon 9800Pro@XT BIOS, Audigy 4 SB0610
JetWay K8T8AS, Athlon DH-E6 3000+, Radeon HD2600Pro AGP, Audigy 2 Value SB0400
Gigabyte Ga-k8n51gmf, Turion64 ML-30@2.2GHz , Radeon X800GTO PL16, Diamond monster sound MX300

Reply 7 of 7, by tehsiggi

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shevalier wrote on Today, 10:51:
ATI has already realised that it’s time to cool the memory in the 9800XT model. https://www.guru3d.com/miraserver/images/revi … […]
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tehsiggi wrote on Today, 10:27:
shevalier wrote on Today, 10:11:
I don't think the Radeon 97/800 has any issues with the memory itself. 1. Poor cooling (except for models with a big turbine fan […]
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I don't think the Radeon 97/800 has any issues with the memory itself.
1. Poor cooling (except for models with a big turbine fan. The small fan is essentially a turbine, whereas the large one is a conventional fan.
The big turbine was introduced in the X800/X1900 models)
2. A poorly designed and awkwardly placed Molex connector. If it’s plugged in carelessly, the card bends significantly.
This is precisely why the memory chips come loose.
So memory with heatsinks won’t cause any problems.
At the same time, the XT BIOS offers some advantages on its own, unlocking additional core features.

I wouldn't leave it at that. I've had attempts at memory repairs which were only successful by replacing the whole chip. Reballing the existing chip did not work. So there it wasn't only a matter of lose connections between BGA and PCB.

I've also seen failures in 9600TX (Medion 9500Pro) with fast TSOP memory where the TSOP memory ICs died and needed to be replaced.

ATI has already realised that it’s time to cool the memory in the 9800XT model.
https://www.guru3d.com/miraserver/images/revi … xt/DSC03513.JPG

https://www.guru3d.com/miraserver/images/revi … xt/DSC03514.JPG

But @TheMobRules has already fitted the radiators as a precaution, so there won’t be any issues with overheating.
Besides, that doesn’t necessarily mean that his graphics card will be able to reach those VRAM frequencies..

Yes they realized, but it didn't save cards really. Had 9600XT, 9700Pro and 9800Pros with memory coolers from the factory that had memory failures. Gigabyte did it for the Maya series, Hercules did as well.

So I'd state there is no definitive answer.

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