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First post, by timdog

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Greetings,

I'm putting together my first retro 486 machine similar to one I owned about 30 years ago. I sourced all the parts on eBay and went to post for the first time yesterday to no success. I'm getting an error code of 8 beeps and from what I can see of AMIBIOS circa 1993 this means bad VRAM or missing video card. Nothing on the monitor either. I have a Diamond SpeedStar Pro VLB that seems in decent condition plus a Lucky Star UM8498/8496 Socket 3 motherboard that was tested and working when I purchased it. I've tried all 3 VLB slots and I've tried all possible VLB jumper settings on the motherboard regarding 0/1 wait state and VLB bus less than or equal to 33mhz (I have an AMD 486 DX4 100 CPU currently installed.). I've cleaned the connectors on the card as well even though they look pretty clean already. Does anybody have any suggestions? I'm at the point where I feel like I need to try another video card but I don't have access to one and don't really feel like spending $50 on ebay just as a tester.

Thanks for any help!

Reply 1 of 9, by Babasha

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1) There is something strange with xtal near thr main chip.
2) Try to reseat and clean the contacts of ROM chip

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Reply 2 of 9, by timdog

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Thanks for the tips.
You are right. It does look like something swiped the oscillator and marked the main chip. When looking on retro web for pictures you can see the difference. The mark on the main chip seems superficial to the touch. I don't feel any scratches there but maybe the oscillator got damaged? I will reseat the ROM as well.
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Babasha wrote on 2026-05-17, 16:37:

1) There is something strange with xtal near thr main chip.
2) Try to reseat and clean the contacts of ROM chip

Reply 3 of 9, by BitWrangler

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There's something going on, on the other side of the chip to the crystal, dented or solder blobbed pins, not quite enough detail to make it out.

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Reply 4 of 9, by Tiido

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That 14.31818MHz crystal looks to have been pushed hard enough that it has its pins rip out of its casing, and whatever caused it, left a skidmark on the Cirrus chip afterwards...

These crystals are mounted flush on all boards I have seen and there is no wiggle room to get such an orientation. My money is on the crystal being destroyed, rest of the card looks pretty good.

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Reply 5 of 9, by TheMobRules

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I have some cards where they put some kind of "spacer" between the crystal and the board, maybe to protect it from heat during wave soldering phase? This one appears to have been knocked though.

Reply 6 of 9, by timdog

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Tiido wrote on 2026-05-17, 20:23:

That 14.31818MHz crystal looks to have been pushed hard enough that it has its pins rip out of its casing, and whatever caused it, left a skidmark on the Cirrus chip afterwards...

These crystals are mounted flush on all boards I have seen and there is no wiggle room to get such an orientation. My money is on the crystal being destroyed, rest of the card looks pretty good.

It certainly seems damaged to me after looking close. I've found the crystal part online for less than a buck. Do you think it would be a straightforward solder job?

Reply 7 of 9, by jakethompson1

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It should be. I would personally use an "Engineer" hand pump solder sucker and a syringe of no-clean rosin flux to desolder it.

Reply 8 of 9, by Eep386

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Did you check pin 2 of the GD5428 chip to see if it's still firmly soldered (visual inspection is useless, use a thin needle or hobby knife blade to see if it moves)?
Pin 2 is /EROM, which enables the ROM socket. The scrape on the chip looks like it hovers perilously close to the pin, as well as pin 3 (D15) - might want to check that as well.

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Reply 9 of 9, by rasz_pl

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As Eep386 noticed already whatever swiped crystal also ripped pins off the pcb pads on main chip corner near crystal

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