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keenmaster486 wrote on Today, 04:34:

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It takes time for a new entertainment medium to be considered "art". It was the same with cinema in the early days.

Theater was prestigious. Film wasn't. Serious actors didn't do cinema work. It was beneath them, and would ruin their reputations. Or if you couldn't make it on the stage you made films instead.

It took about 20 years for films to go from a sideshow attraction to "serious" entertainment.

Yes, they are.

Play something like The Last of Us, or more recently, Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 and see for yourself. Both games have high quality storytelling, and are on pair with some cinema classics, at least in my view.

Yes, like all forms of entertainment it can be considered art - it sits alongside tv and films as a visual art and has a bonus of being interactive giving another medium of "doing art" 😀

This is a classic troll from Roger Ebert. No one ever actually reads what he wrote and instead just gives some baseline response, which cracks me up even more.

His basic point is that games can contain art or can become art, but a game and art are by definition different things. No one is arguing that chess should be considered art (that I know of...). A game exists to be played.

It's an interesting perspective. Ultimately this whole issue is a matter of definition, and people may disagree with his definition.

But the real kicker is what he says at the end: Why do gamers get so upset about this? Are they seeking validation because the general public has a negative image of games? That question to me is more interesting than the original.

I don't seek art from the games I play. I seek enjoyment.

I think it really depends on how you define "art".

For some it means "pleasing to look at", and in this case many video games do count IMHO - (and some people in certain professions might find simple lines - straight or squiggly - pleasing...)

For me, "art" is pretty much any expression of creativity - not just a pleasing painting or drawing ... It includes things like: a nice mechanical design, a good/functional computer program ... and in this case video games definitely apply.

So, to me video games register on both definitions - but "art" is so subjective I'm sure there are many who would disagree with me.