Mike_ wrote on 2026-05-21, 18:55:
So I started recapping this but in the middle of it I noticed that I had forgotten to buy 4.7µF caps. So is the exact value of that cap important here? Ie. do I need to put the old Teapo cap back, or can I use say, a 10µF cap instead? It appears to be in middle of a resistor divider.
It looks like the anode of that cap goes to a resistor which then goes to a potentiometer.
If I remember correctly, one of the pots was for adjusting the voltage level, while the other was for adjust the OPP level. However, I'm not sure which one this cap appears to be in circuit with. So to be on the safer side, it's probably better that you put back the original 4.7 uF Teapo cap... unless it is badly failed, of course.
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If you have spare 10 uF caps in stock, you can take two 10 uF caps and connect them in series like batteries ('-' on first cap to ground, '+' on first cap to '-' on 2nd cap, and '+' on 2nd cap to '+' on board.) For two 10 uF caps in series, you will get 5 uF, which is more than reasonably close.
PcBytes wrote on 2026-05-19, 23:44:
L&C go further lower with their lying transformers. I've had countless units with ERL-28 mains transformers marked as 35.
Yeah, I think I have one or two PSUs like that as well, and one was probably an L&C indeed. Though other (cheap) manufacturers did it too.
That said, the size of the transformer rarely worries me that much. It's just that it's an indication for the rest of the PSU will likely also be built with really cheap/undersized parts. Apart from that, though, you can still make a decent PSU even with an ERL-28 transformer. Sure, the power rating of the PSU will be much more limited (generally around 150W-180W max.) But honestly, even that should be enough for a single socket Pentium II/3 and lower-power Athlon systems.
The output filtering on the other hand, is one place that will matter the most.
- If it's a PSU that has only one output cap per rail and no free spots to add more (the missing) caps to those rails, then you can forget about turning such PSU into anything useful for powering a PC. (Now, if you want to power some DC motors with such PSU, by all means not a single one will care about the bad ripple 😉 ).
- If the PSU is missing the rod inductors between the caps (the "PI coils") and there is no space on the PCB to add them, then that will also further degrade the filtering (well, in most cases anyways - some PSUs and certain rails don't always have or need these... but that will depend on the design.)
So all in all, as long as the output filtering is OK, the rest of the PSU isn't that interesting/concerning... unless, of course, everything is so undersized that the PSU can't even do 100W of power.
shevalier wrote on 2026-05-20, 03:32:
It depends on where in the circuit it is.
The polymers work perfectly well with the +5V standby power supply.
Good call about the 5VSB circuit!
That is indeed just about always the exception when it comes to recapping, where any low to ultra-low ESR cap will do.
I also regularly do the 5VSB with ultra-low ESR caps - not because of any benefits, but because I still have a lingering (and aging) supply of 16V 1500 uF caps from various scrapped Xbox 360 motherboards. Most 5VSB circuits (but especially the 2-transistor self-oscillating ones) are usually more than happy with those. The ones with TNY or TOP switching ICs sometimes become a little louder in operation (the 5VSB will squeal / produce a high-pitched sound). They still work and regulate fine, of course.
shevalier wrote on 2026-05-20, 03:32:
For the powering PWM IC standby supply, I generally use a stack of 10 x 1μF 50V MLCC X7R capacitors.
Solder them in a vertical column 2*5 and fit a heat-shrink sleeve.
I just happened to have a bag of 100 of them in a drawer in my desk. 😀
Nice!
... but too "rich" for my taste... or rather, I'd probably find something else to do with those 50V 10 uF caps.
Though what I have done before is fit once such ceramic cap (25V 4.7 uF) in parallel with the existing 25V 47 uF "critical" cap on the 5VSB circuit of a 250W Deer PSU, just to see what would happen. Short answer: nothing unusual - the 5VSB worked fine.
shevalier wrote on 2026-05-19, 16:21:
Because in the original Delta (or DTK? Whoever made the first classic half-bridge AT, which everyone then started copying), protection was based on the base current of the transistors rather than a current transformer in the primary circuit of the main transformer.
Yes.
On the "better" half-bridge PSUs, there's a 4th small transformer that exists purely to relay primary-side current sensing to the secondary so that OPP works more accurately.
I see that done very rarely, though.
shevalier wrote on 2026-05-19, 16:21:
I may have got the number of turns spot on, but the voltages were within 3.3 ±0.15 V.
Which is terrible for SDRAM and the corresponding chipsets.
For newer systems, well, that’s problem of the voltage regulators on the motherboard. 😀
True.
Indeed only motherboards that don't generate their own 3.3V supply for the RAM can be adversely affected by this.
For most even remotely newer boards (typically starting with Pentium II era), most chips will have their own dedicated supply on the board, so the voltage of the 3.3V rail isn't so relevant anymore.