Yeah, sure, some people cared. I knew many.
But it didn't really matter that much.
Until the athlon practically nothing ever actually died from heat.
People did spend a lot of time and effort lapping chips to the copper, strapping absurd heatsinks and 9000rpm deltas.
In my experience the pay-off was negligible for the price.
A 300a that did 450 and not 504 wasn't going to get to 504 fully stable with lapping, a 2kg copper sink and a delta.
It sure would cost you though.

I got two things actually not long ago , one was a six button capcom fighting stick for my sharp x68000 and the other was the capcom adaptor that you need to hook it up.

Usually the x68000 runs games in two button mode but some adaptors let you use three.

This one however lets you use the 6 button official fighting stick with select games or a 6 button genesis controller via the extra port on the adaptor.

I've been using it with Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition and Super Street Fighter 2,
and it helps every bit considering playing a fighting game with only two buttons is a bit rough ,
but its taken a bit of getting used to since I haven't really played fighting games on the regular with a proper stick before.

myne wrote on 2026-05-24, 12:49:

Yeah, sure, some people cared. I knew many. But it didn't really matter that much. Until the athlon practically nothing ever ac […]
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Yeah, sure, some people cared. I knew many.
But it didn't really matter that much.
Until the athlon practically nothing ever actually died from heat.
People did spend a lot of time and effort lapping chips to the copper, strapping absurd heatsinks and 9000rpm deltas.
In my experience the pay-off was negligible for the price.
A 300a that did 450 and not 504 wasn't going to get to 504 fully stable with lapping, a 2kg copper sink and a delta.
It sure would cost you though.

There is always a threshold crossing the 30fps line or 100 fps line that might need only a marginal overlock.

Bought this MX400 32MiB for the K6-2 build.

AppleSauce wrote on 2026-05-24, 15:00:

I got two things actually not long ago , one was a six button capcom fighting stick for my sharp x68000 and the other was the ca […]
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I got two things actually not long ago , one was a six button capcom fighting stick for my sharp x68000 and the other was the capcom adaptor that you need to hook it up.

Usually the x68000 runs games in two button mode but some adaptors let you use three.

This one however lets you use the 6 button official fighting stick with select games or a 6 button genesis controller via the extra port on the adaptor.

I've been using it with Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition and Super Street Fighter 2,
and it helps every bit considering playing a fighting game with only two buttons is a bit rough ,
but its taken a bit of getting used to since I haven't really played fighting games on the regular with a proper stick before.

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Nice setup 🙂. So, are there any other devices which are compatible with this stick?

dominusprog wrote on 2026-05-24, 15:25:

AppleSauce wrote on 2026-05-24, 15:00:

I got two things actually not long ago , one was a six button capcom fighting stick for my sharp x68000 and the other was the ca […]
Show full quote

I got two things actually not long ago , one was a six button capcom fighting stick for my sharp x68000 and the other was the capcom adaptor that you need to hook it up.

Usually the x68000 runs games in two button mode but some adaptors let you use three.

This one however lets you use the 6 button official fighting stick with select games or a 6 button genesis controller via the extra port on the adaptor.

I've been using it with Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition and Super Street Fighter 2,
and it helps every bit considering playing a fighting game with only two buttons is a bit rough ,
but its taken a bit of getting used to since I haven't really played fighting games on the regular with a proper stick before.

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Nice setup 🙂. So, are there any other devices which are compatible with this stick?

Thanks ,
the fm towns i own should work with it im pretty sure , and someone got it working with a msx.

Actually I did come Japanese blog site where a guy made it it work with a whole bunch of different systems
So yeah its a supringly long list.

http://www.pipitan.com/cpsf.html

myne wrote on 2026-05-24, 12:49:

Yeah, sure, some people cared. I knew many. But it didn't really matter that much. Until the athlon practically nothing ever ac […]
Show full quote

Yeah, sure, some people cared. I knew many.
But it didn't really matter that much.
Until the athlon practically nothing ever actually died from heat.
People did spend a lot of time and effort lapping chips to the copper, strapping absurd heatsinks and 9000rpm deltas.
In my experience the pay-off was negligible for the price.
A 300a that did 450 and not 504 wasn't going to get to 504 fully stable with lapping, a 2kg copper sink and a delta.
It sure would cost you though.

I just remembered, peltier coolers were all the rage and you could absolutely kill a chip with one of those. Fun times 😉

I finally got Microsoft Fury³ in a big box. It just popped up on eBay. Didn't even know they had a bigbox European release for this.

99 Deutsche Mark is quite a steep price for a simple game like this. It's 83,16 € / 96,83 USD nowadays (adjusted for inflation).

MattRocks wrote on 2026-05-24, 10:36:

Hmm.. […]
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myne wrote on 2026-05-24, 09:21:

Cooling wasn't really a big concern back then.

Hmm..

The space between AGP and PCI was tiny. The active cooling on cases was not targeting the AGP/PCI slot. Those were real inherited issues and the GF2Ti was the hottest card of the time.

Enthusiasts were leaving side panels off and vacating PCI slots. That shows real concern.

It depends. Roughly until the end of the "original" Geforce nomenclature , the Geforce 4 around 2004, GPU cooling was rather trivial, "conventional" engineering, a matter of physics and dimensions. So, more or less creative solutions of aluminium heatsink and rather small, off-the-shelf fans.
But, it soon became a matter of noise, definitely.
I tended to unplug the fan of my Gf4-4600 for 2D use, since it was a bloody turbine.

Leving the adjacent PCI empty and replacing the slot bracket with a grid or nothing was definitely a thing.
There's also a reason why around that time, cases with side fan apertures became popular.

Nice examples are the Voodoo3 3000 that came with the passive heatsink, always considered somewhat critical, for sure. Back in, 1999, I think.

Or, the MSI 7600 GT "silent" from 2006 - nice example of a, for its time, very elaborate passive cooler with a heatpipe to the fins on the back of the card, since there was some space. Those models were only feasible because of a DIE shrink, IIRC.

Cuttoon wrote on 2026-05-25, 17:44:

It depends. Roughly until the end of the "original" Geforce nomenclature , the Geforce 4 around 2004, GPU cooling was rather tri […]
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MattRocks wrote on 2026-05-24, 10:36:

Hmm.. […]
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myne wrote on 2026-05-24, 09:21:

Cooling wasn't really a big concern back then.

Hmm..

The space between AGP and PCI was tiny. The active cooling on cases was not targeting the AGP/PCI slot. Those were real inherited issues and the GF2Ti was the hottest card of the time.

Enthusiasts were leaving side panels off and vacating PCI slots. That shows real concern.

It depends. Roughly until the end of the "original" Geforce nomenclature , the Geforce 4 around 2004, GPU cooling was rather trivial, "conventional" engineering, a matter of physics and dimensions. So, more or less creative solutions of aluminium heatsink and rather small, off-the-shelf fans.
But, it soon became a matter of noise, definitely.
I tended to unplug the fan of my Gf4-4600 for 2D use, since it was a bloody turbine.

Leving the adjacent PCI empty and replacing the slot bracket with a grid or nothing was definitely a thing.
There's also a reason why around that time, cases with side fan apertures became popular.

Nice examples are the Voodoo3 3000 that came with the passive heatsink, always considered somewhat critical, for sure. Back in, 1999, I think.

Or, the MSI 7600 GT "silent" from 2006 - nice example of a, for its time, very elaborate passive cooler with a heatpipe to the fins on the back of the card, since there was some space. Those models were only feasible because of a DIE shrink, IIRC.

Its worth what people will pay.

Cuttoon wrote on 2026-05-25, 17:44:

It depends. Roughly until the end of the "original" Geforce nomenclature , the Geforce 4 around 2004, GPU cooling was rather tri […]
Show full quote

MattRocks wrote on 2026-05-24, 10:36:

Hmm.. […]
Show full quote

myne wrote on 2026-05-24, 09:21:

Cooling wasn't really a big concern back then.

Hmm..

The space between AGP and PCI was tiny. The active cooling on cases was not targeting the AGP/PCI slot. Those were real inherited issues and the GF2Ti was the hottest card of the time.

Enthusiasts were leaving side panels off and vacating PCI slots. That shows real concern.

It depends. Roughly until the end of the "original" Geforce nomenclature , the Geforce 4 around 2004, GPU cooling was rather trivial, "conventional" engineering, a matter of physics and dimensions. So, more or less creative solutions of aluminium heatsink and rather small, off-the-shelf fans.
But, it soon became a matter of noise, definitely.
I tended to unplug the fan of my Gf4-4600 for 2D use, since it was a bloody turbine.

Leving the adjacent PCI empty and replacing the slot bracket with a grid or nothing was definitely a thing.
There's also a reason why around that time, cases with side fan apertures became popular.

Nice examples are the Voodoo3 3000 that came with the passive heatsink, always considered somewhat critical, for sure. Back in, 1999, I think.

Or, the MSI 7600 GT "silent" from 2006 - nice example of a, for its time, very elaborate passive cooler with a heatpipe to the fins on the back of the card, since there was some space. Those models were only feasible because of a DIE shrink, IIRC.

Another way to look at is, a plastic fan weighs less than a metal heatsink. Fitting a fan could be seen as cutting corners, introducing risk (e.g. moving parts failure), reducing functionality (e.g. you can't put noisy fans into an audio monitoring workstation), etc.

Cuttoon wrote on 2026-05-25, 17:44:

It depends. Roughly until the end of the "original" Geforce nomenclature , the Geforce 4 around 2004, GPU cooling was rather tri […]
Show full quote

MattRocks wrote on 2026-05-24, 10:36:

Hmm.. […]
Show full quote

myne wrote on 2026-05-24, 09:21:

Cooling wasn't really a big concern back then.

Hmm..

The space between AGP and PCI was tiny. The active cooling on cases was not targeting the AGP/PCI slot. Those were real inherited issues and the GF2Ti was the hottest card of the time.

Enthusiasts were leaving side panels off and vacating PCI slots. That shows real concern.

It depends. Roughly until the end of the "original" Geforce nomenclature , the Geforce 4 around 2004, GPU cooling was rather trivial, "conventional" engineering, a matter of physics and dimensions. So, more or less creative solutions of aluminium heatsink and rather small, off-the-shelf fans.
But, it soon became a matter of noise, definitely.
I tended to unplug the fan of my Gf4-4600 for 2D use, since it was a bloody turbine.

Leving the adjacent PCI empty and replacing the slot bracket with a grid or nothing was definitely a thing.
There's also a reason why around that time, cases with side fan apertures became popular.

Nice examples are the Voodoo3 3000 that came with the passive heatsink, always considered somewhat critical, for sure. Back in, 1999, I think.

Or, the MSI 7600 GT "silent" from 2006 - nice example of a, for its time, very elaborate passive cooler with a heatpipe to the fins on the back of the card, since there was some space. Those models were only feasible because of a DIE shrink, IIRC.

I'll never understand how industry never course-corrected itself concerning wasting that much power on heat. While the cards were singleslot cooled it was still acceptable, and it gave some space for pretty art designs on the shrouds, but once Radeon X1000 and GeForce 7000 series went out of proportions with double slot solutions, they just started pumping more power into chips and making coolers bigger and bigger. Today, we even have three slot designs and most of them look completely generic with no artistic quality whatsoever... it's actually beyond ridiculous.

Shader_BiH wrote on 2026-05-26, 08:31:

Cuttoon wrote on 2026-05-25, 17:44:

It depends. Roughly until the end of the "original" Geforce nomenclature , the Geforce 4 around 2004, GPU cooling was rather tri […]
Show full quote

MattRocks wrote on 2026-05-24, 10:36:

Hmm..

The space between AGP and PCI was tiny. The active cooling on cases was not targeting the AGP/PCI slot. Those were real inherited issues and the GF2Ti was the hottest card of the time.

Enthusiasts were leaving side panels off and vacating PCI slots. That shows real concern.

It depends. Roughly until the end of the "original" Geforce nomenclature , the Geforce 4 around 2004, GPU cooling was rather trivial, "conventional" engineering, a matter of physics and dimensions. So, more or less creative solutions of aluminium heatsink and rather small, off-the-shelf fans.
But, it soon became a matter of noise, definitely.
I tended to unplug the fan of my Gf4-4600 for 2D use, since it was a bloody turbine.

Leving the adjacent PCI empty and replacing the slot bracket with a grid or nothing was definitely a thing.
There's also a reason why around that time, cases with side fan apertures became popular.

Nice examples are the Voodoo3 3000 that came with the passive heatsink, always considered somewhat critical, for sure. Back in, 1999, I think.

Or, the MSI 7600 GT "silent" from 2006 - nice example of a, for its time, very elaborate passive cooler with a heatpipe to the fins on the back of the card, since there was some space. Those models were only feasible because of a DIE shrink, IIRC.

I'll never understand how industry never course-corrected itself concerning wasting that much power on heat. While the cards were singleslot cooled it was still acceptable, and it gave some space for pretty art designs on the shrouds, but once Radeon X1000 and GeForce 7000 series went out of proportions with double slot solutions, they just started pumping more power into chips and making coolers bigger and bigger. Today, we even have three slot designs and most of them look completely generic with no artistic quality whatsoever... it's actually beyond ridiculous.

My view is GPUs are fighting for survival.

The monster GPUs today are not really graphics cards. They are instead independent programmable platforms that cover crypto, artificial intelligence, audio, etc. They are practically a whole computer within the computer.

And their existence contradicts the original IBM PC architecture, which was for an expandable reconfigurable machine - not a network of insulated competing computer platforms.

But if you look at the history (and ongoing patterns) then what you can see was Intel that started the process of consistently absorbing every capability in complete contradiction to IBM's original intent.

• Intel CPU consumed FPU co-processors
• Intel AC'97 consumed the discrete sound cards
• Intel iGPU consumed discrete VGA cards
• etc.

The only way for the GPU to survive was to resist Intel's consolidating roadmap, and that's what they are doing. If they hadn't tried to outcompete Intel on programmable processors with isolated memory then they wouldn't exist today - you'd just have an iGPU in a CPU and remember NVIDIA as historical. And we saw the pattern before with Voodoo5 where adding more onto an expansion card is a desperate survival act - the only real difference today is what modern GPUs are racing against.

And Internet expansion cards (e.g. TLS1.3) don't exist. We instead have an Internet-specific capability embedded into CPU instruction sets, which is another example of how Intel is architecturally anti-PC.

dominusprog wrote on 2026-05-24, 15:16:

Bought this MX400 32MiB for the K6-2 build.

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Nice, very nice, I'm not into mid/low-end hardware, but I do like videocards with tv tuners, and that one looks great...

MattRocks wrote on 2026-05-22, 14:43:

tehsiggi wrote on 2026-05-21, 19:51:

I just bought a TARGA notebook with an Athlon XP-M 2800 inside. Just for the CPU, but you can't get that CPU for 25€ alone 😁

Show off! 😉

Here it is.. Not a 2800 but a 2500. Still very nice and in great condition. I'll keep it as my small formfactor xp machine.

Uniwill N251C1. Had one as well branded Bekom, mine came with a XP-M 2400+.

Scored an Diamond Edge 3D 2120, "relatively" cheap. Should be working and will be tested as soon as possible.
Maybe something for in a curiosity build, just looking what range of cpu's would be a good match for it.

Bought 15 motherboards for 6€ each.
Many are PCChips but 12 come with cpu + ram. One is a SS7 + K6-2.
Not a bad bargain. Can't wait to have them delivered (seller is coming to my city). All pulls from working PCs at the time.
😀

RaverX wrote on 2026-05-26, 19:39:

dominusprog wrote on 2026-05-24, 15:16:

Bought this MX400 32MiB for the K6-2 build.

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Nice, very nice, I'm not into mid/low-end hardware, but I do like videocards with tv tuners, and that one looks great...

Well, their modern use can be old consoles and home computers.

RaverX wrote on 2026-05-26, 19:39:

dominusprog wrote on 2026-05-24, 15:16:

Bought this MX400 32MiB for the K6-2 build.

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Nice, very nice, I'm not into mid/low-end hardware, but I do like videocards with tv tuners, and that one looks great...

High-end cards do look more impressive... but I personally, have always been more drawn to these mid and low tier cards, probably because I used a bunch of them in the past. I was very young and didn't have a job back then... so I suffered with Radeon VE... or MX 200... even SIS 315 (with a whoping 64 MB of VRAM 🤣)

Anyway, I got my new purchase today... The original Radeon.

It's a DDR model with 64MB of VRAM. I suppose it probably isn't the 180ish MHz version, but it's still one of the faster models. Adding this card to the 3850 AGP, X1950 XTX, and 9700Pro pretty much completes my collection of those premium-priced cards.... now if I could only get my hands on a reasonably priced dual-chip Rage.... Their prices have been ridiculous lately, they even outmatch Voodoo 5s at the moment.