it is a little confusing. Reminds me to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlKDZh99wzQ

read, what he wrote 😉
your fridge is ok.

Tirtanium benchmark

Small fridges can't make ice, but small freezers can - and its the ambient temperature inside the freezer that counts, right? 😉

Yup so my score on the NF7 of 234 FSB is the final one, at least for that board. I must've drawn the unluckiest stick CPU wise:
- the CPU it shipped with, seems to be locked (despite bearing all the signs that point to it supposedly being a unlocked chip)
- the other 2500 I have will absolutely refuse any other multi - neither up, nor down. FSB OC only.
- the XP-M 2400+ also refuses to POST somewhere past 205-210FSB at the same multiplier set as The Sandman. I might try higher multis but not holding any hopes in getting it to the 2.8GHz range whatsoever.

I have a 7N400 Pro2 on the way and may try with that one too, as well as a FX5900. (I unfortunately had to sell the X850, and the 7800GS refuses to run on the NF7 so far, despite having disabled fast writes - P4B533-E is the only board I've seen it not spaz out in.)

MattRocks wrote on Today, 08:11:

supercordo wrote on 2026-04-24, 18:00:

*Cooling, No Sub Ambient. Ice used with water cooling is okay.

I considered entering a lower spec CPU as I can't risk my motherboard, but then the rules confused me. Sub-ambient disallowed, ice allowed. For most of us, our ice is sub-ambient, and our ice comes directly from using sub-ambient cooling technology.

So it's a rule for those who live in the antarctic?

Sub-ambient means a temperature or environment strictly lower than the surrounding, naturally occurring air (the ambient temperature). It is widely utilized in scientific laboratories, computing, and material engineering to achieve specific performance, testing, or preservation conditions.

Key Applications & Considerations
*Chemical & Material Sciences: Many reagents, catalysts, and reactions require strict sub-ambient conditions for stability or efficiency. Techniques include using recirculating chillers or flow chemistry reactors.

*PC & Hardware Overclocking: Enthusiasts push CPUs and GPUs below room temperature using thermoelectric coolers (TECs) or specialized liquid chillers to increase hardware performance and benchmarks.

*Passive Radiative Cooling: Modern engineering features sub-ambient radiative cooling coatings that reflect sunlight while releasing heat directly into the atmosphere, cooling building exteriors below the surrounding air temperature.

Primary Challenges
The main issue with sub-ambient cooling is condensation. As soon as a surface drops below the surrounding air's dew point, moisture from the air will form dew on the object. In electronics or high-precision mechanics, this can cause short-circuiting or material damage. Systems require specialized controllers (such as the Intel Cryo Controller) or airtight, moisture-controlled environments to safely operate

PcBytes wrote on Today, 11:05:

Yup so my score on the NF7 of 234 FSB is the final one, at least for that board. I must've drawn the unluckiest stick CPU wise: […]
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Yup so my score on the NF7 of 234 FSB is the final one, at least for that board. I must've drawn the unluckiest stick CPU wise:
- the CPU it shipped with, seems to be locked (despite bearing all the signs that point to it supposedly being a unlocked chip)
- the other 2500 I have will absolutely refuse any other multi - neither up, nor down. FSB OC only.
- the XP-M 2400+ also refuses to POST somewhere past 205-210FSB at the same multiplier set as The Sandman. I might try higher multis but not holding any hopes in getting it to the 2.8GHz range whatsoever.

I have a 7N400 Pro2 on the way and may try with that one too, as well as a FX5900. (I unfortunately had to sell the X850, and the 7800GS refuses to run on the NF7 so far, despite having disabled fast writes - P4B533-E is the only board I've seen it not spaz out in.)

My NF7-s was the same, have to use a modded bios to go higher. I use Digitalbath's ED55 bios. It can be found here. https://biosbude.de/%21%20BIOS%20VAULT/Abit/N … .0/digitalbath/

Also need to overclock that video card. You can do it automatically in Catalyst control Center with ATI overdrive.

Maybe you will get my insider that way:

"Why so such a high a score?"

''Cause I'm benchin on north pole peltier cooeld"

I had a version of this benchmark with the comment in the results

low ambient thingy and a bag of ice: be aware -> i dodged the bullet twice aka condesate water.

supercordo wrote on Today, 13:37:

PcBytes wrote on Today, 11:05:

Yup so my score on the NF7 of 234 FSB is the final one, at least for that board. I must've drawn the unluckiest stick CPU wise: […]
Show full quote

Yup so my score on the NF7 of 234 FSB is the final one, at least for that board. I must've drawn the unluckiest stick CPU wise:
- the CPU it shipped with, seems to be locked (despite bearing all the signs that point to it supposedly being a unlocked chip)
- the other 2500 I have will absolutely refuse any other multi - neither up, nor down. FSB OC only.
- the XP-M 2400+ also refuses to POST somewhere past 205-210FSB at the same multiplier set as The Sandman. I might try higher multis but not holding any hopes in getting it to the 2.8GHz range whatsoever.

I have a 7N400 Pro2 on the way and may try with that one too, as well as a FX5900. (I unfortunately had to sell the X850, and the 7800GS refuses to run on the NF7 so far, despite having disabled fast writes - P4B533-E is the only board I've seen it not spaz out in.)

My NF7-s was the same, have to use a modded bios to go higher. I use Digitalbath's ED55 bios. It can be found here. https://biosbude.de/%21%20BIOS%20VAULT/Abit/N … .0/digitalbath/

Also need to overclock that video card. You can do it automatically in Catalyst control Center with ATI overdrive.

GPU is not overclockable. Tested GPU OC from present settings to even 10MHz higher and it crashes 3DMark at 2nd or 3rd test. Happens across several boards including P4.

PcBytes wrote on Today, 14:48:

supercordo wrote on Today, 13:37:

PcBytes wrote on Today, 11:05:

Yup so my score on the NF7 of 234 FSB is the final one, at least for that board. I must've drawn the unluckiest stick CPU wise: […]
Show full quote

Yup so my score on the NF7 of 234 FSB is the final one, at least for that board. I must've drawn the unluckiest stick CPU wise:
- the CPU it shipped with, seems to be locked (despite bearing all the signs that point to it supposedly being a unlocked chip)
- the other 2500 I have will absolutely refuse any other multi - neither up, nor down. FSB OC only.
- the XP-M 2400+ also refuses to POST somewhere past 205-210FSB at the same multiplier set as The Sandman. I might try higher multis but not holding any hopes in getting it to the 2.8GHz range whatsoever.

I have a 7N400 Pro2 on the way and may try with that one too, as well as a FX5900. (I unfortunately had to sell the X850, and the 7800GS refuses to run on the NF7 so far, despite having disabled fast writes - P4B533-E is the only board I've seen it not spaz out in.)

My NF7-s was the same, have to use a modded bios to go higher. I use Digitalbath's ED55 bios. It can be found here. https://biosbude.de/%21%20BIOS%20VAULT/Abit/N … .0/digitalbath/

Also need to overclock that video card. You can do it automatically in Catalyst control Center with ATI overdrive.

GPU is not overclockable. Tested GPU OC from present settings to even 10MHz higher and it crashes 3DMark at 2nd or 3rd test.

Overclock gpu at stock cpu setting to eliminate any system instability. Then over clock the cpu and fsb.

supercordo wrote on Today, 14:52:

PcBytes wrote on Today, 14:48:

supercordo wrote on Today, 13:37:

My NF7-s was the same, have to use a modded bios to go higher. I use Digitalbath's ED55 bios. It can be found here. https://biosbude.de/%21%20BIOS%20VAULT/Abit/N … .0/digitalbath/

Also need to overclock that video card. You can do it automatically in Catalyst control Center with ATI overdrive.

GPU is not overclockable. Tested GPU OC from present settings to even 10MHz higher and it crashes 3DMark at 2nd or 3rd test.

Overclock gpu at stock cpu setting to eliminate any system instability. Then over clock the cpu and fsb.

Won't go any higher than its stock 520 core 540 mem. Anything else past those produces artifacting in ATiTool across 2 different platforms. (P4, Athlon 64). Both platforms outside of nForce 2 were run at stock clocks (P4 is a Prescott 3GHz HT that does not respond to FSB overclock at all, Athlon 64 also doesn't respond at OC at all)

PcBytes wrote on Today, 14:55:

supercordo wrote on Today, 14:52:

PcBytes wrote on Today, 14:48:

GPU is not overclockable. Tested GPU OC from present settings to even 10MHz higher and it crashes 3DMark at 2nd or 3rd test.

Overclock gpu at stock cpu setting to eliminate any system instability. Then over clock the cpu and fsb.

Won't go any higher than its stock 520 core 540 mem. Anything else past those produces artifacting in ATiTool across 2 different platforms. (P4, Athlon 64). Both platforms outside of nForce 2 were run at stock clocks (P4 is a Prescott 3GHz HT that does not respond to FSB overclock at all, Athlon 64 also doesn't respond at OC at all)

Have you tried cleaning and putting new thermal paste on? Seems very odd.

supercordo wrote on Today, 13:10:

Sub-ambient means a temperature or environment strictly lower than the surrounding, naturally occurring air (the ambient tempera […]
Show full quote

MattRocks wrote on Today, 08:11:

supercordo wrote on 2026-04-24, 18:00:

*Cooling, No Sub Ambient. Ice used with water cooling is okay.

I considered entering a lower spec CPU as I can't risk my motherboard, but then the rules confused me. Sub-ambient disallowed, ice allowed. For most of us, our ice is sub-ambient, and our ice comes directly from using sub-ambient cooling technology.

So it's a rule for those who live in the antarctic?

Sub-ambient means a temperature or environment strictly lower than the surrounding, naturally occurring air (the ambient temperature). It is widely utilized in scientific laboratories, computing, and material engineering to achieve specific performance, testing, or preservation conditions.

Key Applications & Considerations
*Chemical & Material Sciences: Many reagents, catalysts, and reactions require strict sub-ambient conditions for stability or efficiency. Techniques include using recirculating chillers or flow chemistry reactors.

*PC & Hardware Overclocking: Enthusiasts push CPUs and GPUs below room temperature using thermoelectric coolers (TECs) or specialized liquid chillers to increase hardware performance and benchmarks.

*Passive Radiative Cooling: Modern engineering features sub-ambient radiative cooling coatings that reflect sunlight while releasing heat directly into the atmosphere, cooling building exteriors below the surrounding air temperature.

Primary Challenges
The main issue with sub-ambient cooling is condensation. As soon as a surface drops below the surrounding air's dew point, moisture from the air will form dew on the object. In electronics or high-precision mechanics, this can cause short-circuiting or material damage. Systems require specialized controllers (such as the Intel Cryo Controller) or airtight, moisture-controlled environments to safely operate

So why is there an exception for ice? And, how do we make ice without using the banned technologies?

MattRocks wrote on Today, 15:28:

supercordo wrote on Today, 13:10:

Sub-ambient means a temperature or environment strictly lower than the surrounding, naturally occurring air (the ambient tempera […]
Show full quote

MattRocks wrote on Today, 08:11:

I considered entering a lower spec CPU as I can't risk my motherboard, but then the rules confused me. Sub-ambient disallowed, ice allowed. For most of us, our ice is sub-ambient, and our ice comes directly from using sub-ambient cooling technology.

So it's a rule for those who live in the antarctic?

Sub-ambient means a temperature or environment strictly lower than the surrounding, naturally occurring air (the ambient temperature). It is widely utilized in scientific laboratories, computing, and material engineering to achieve specific performance, testing, or preservation conditions.

Key Applications & Considerations
*Chemical & Material Sciences: Many reagents, catalysts, and reactions require strict sub-ambient conditions for stability or efficiency. Techniques include using recirculating chillers or flow chemistry reactors.

*PC & Hardware Overclocking: Enthusiasts push CPUs and GPUs below room temperature using thermoelectric coolers (TECs) or specialized liquid chillers to increase hardware performance and benchmarks.

*Passive Radiative Cooling: Modern engineering features sub-ambient radiative cooling coatings that reflect sunlight while releasing heat directly into the atmosphere, cooling building exteriors below the surrounding air temperature.

Primary Challenges
The main issue with sub-ambient cooling is condensation. As soon as a surface drops below the surrounding air's dew point, moisture from the air will form dew on the object. In electronics or high-precision mechanics, this can cause short-circuiting or material damage. Systems require specialized controllers (such as the Intel Cryo Controller) or airtight, moisture-controlled environments to safely operate

So why is there an exception for ice? And, how do we make ice without using the banned technologies?

Come on dude.... Clearly its refering to LN2 and single phase cooling. Its not avalible to everyone!!! Ice in a bucket of water is.

supercordo wrote on Today, 15:40:

MattRocks wrote on Today, 15:28:

supercordo wrote on Today, 13:10:

Sub-ambient means a temperature or environment strictly lower than the surrounding, naturally occurring air (the ambient tempera […]
Show full quote

Sub-ambient means a temperature or environment strictly lower than the surrounding, naturally occurring air (the ambient temperature). It is widely utilized in scientific laboratories, computing, and material engineering to achieve specific performance, testing, or preservation conditions.

Key Applications & Considerations
*Chemical & Material Sciences: Many reagents, catalysts, and reactions require strict sub-ambient conditions for stability or efficiency. Techniques include using recirculating chillers or flow chemistry reactors.

*PC & Hardware Overclocking: Enthusiasts push CPUs and GPUs below room temperature using thermoelectric coolers (TECs) or specialized liquid chillers to increase hardware performance and benchmarks.

*Passive Radiative Cooling: Modern engineering features sub-ambient radiative cooling coatings that reflect sunlight while releasing heat directly into the atmosphere, cooling building exteriors below the surrounding air temperature.

Primary Challenges
The main issue with sub-ambient cooling is condensation. As soon as a surface drops below the surrounding air's dew point, moisture from the air will form dew on the object. In electronics or high-precision mechanics, this can cause short-circuiting or material damage. Systems require specialized controllers (such as the Intel Cryo Controller) or airtight, moisture-controlled environments to safely operate

So why is there an exception for ice? And, how do we make ice without using the banned technologies?

Come on dude.... Clearly its refering to LN2 and single phase cooling. Its not avalible to everyone!!! Ice in a bucket of water is.

For me, a 12V molex powered Peltier is easier to get than a proper water-cooling loop, and a household freezer is still phase-change refrigeration used to make the ice.

Edit: Peltier with air cooling is also more era correct.

supercordo wrote on Today, 15:13:

PcBytes wrote on Today, 14:55:

supercordo wrote on Today, 14:52:

Overclock gpu at stock cpu setting to eliminate any system instability. Then over clock the cpu and fsb.

Won't go any higher than its stock 520 core 540 mem. Anything else past those produces artifacting in ATiTool across 2 different platforms. (P4, Athlon 64). Both platforms outside of nForce 2 were run at stock clocks (P4 is a Prescott 3GHz HT that does not respond to FSB overclock at all, Athlon 64 also doesn't respond at OC at all)

Have you tried cleaning and putting new thermal paste on? Seems very odd.

Already had been repasted ever since I bought it (a few months tops). Seller I got it from does the repaste to all cards he sells.

do this, do that or ban it from the comp 😉

I can respect what you have done there but I don't own any water cooling loops, and I don't have worktop capacity for water buckets. My setup is so classical it practically lives in the era when water and electronics did not mix. Dust, maybe. Water, banned! 😉

Plausible. And what exactly brought you here?

MattRocks wrote on Today, 16:33:

I can respect what you have done there but I don't own any water cooling loops, and I don't have worktop capacity for water buckets. My setup is so classical it practically lives in the era when water and electronics did not mix. Dust, maybe. Water, banned! 😉

Its clear you dont know what "Aiming for the stars" means.

supercordo wrote on Today, 16:51:

MattRocks wrote on Today, 16:33:

I can respect what you have done there but I don't own any water cooling loops, and I don't have worktop capacity for water buckets. My setup is so classical it practically lives in the era when water and electronics did not mix. Dust, maybe. Water, banned! 😉

Its clear you dont know what "Aiming for the stars" means.

Well, at least I know what sub-ambient means 😉

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70dORmNMsEU

Everything is all dressed up for the occasion. Had the Tt kits for about 7 years now waiting for their time to shine. Not sure when i got the Gelid Icy Vision gpu cooler. Its for Hd4800 or 9800xt and up but it fits on the HD 3850 agp perfectly.