For context I assume you mean the RTX Spark announcement?

https://www.theverge.com/tech/940589/nvidia-r … ai-release-date

This fall, Nvidia will officially become a consumer PC chipmaker like Intel, AMD, Apple, and Qualcomm, putting a complete computing chip — not just graphics — into the very heart of laptops and mini-PCs. After many months of leaks, it’s finally announcing the RTX Spark, the first in a family of chips that will meet or beat the most powerful thin-and-light Windows machines ever, it claims.

i read about desktop but mini-pc is not really a desktop so i guess we have nothing to worry about for now provided we like to pay twice for ram and Watts... and free noice included...

That's probably because Nvidia is phasing out the Personal part of Computing. We can still have the minis, for now, so the transition goes down smoother. I'm half-joking.

I would not buy a new pc until they completely redesign It It is 1980’s Obsolete technology.
The CPU gets to hot, GPUs are too big, Storage is old tech and limited.
It’s just become a mess….Frankenstein

Nvidia just said they are creating NEW computer powered by A.I.
Sounds like Alexa technology

nVidia reinvents MediaGX!

Garbage tier PCs for the late 2020s, yay.

I think they just want us all to use cloud computing. Anyone who has ever tried to use the online version of the office package knows this is not a very bright future.

It's just more cattle feed that you can simply not buy.

the way you're meant to be played

Garbage like this is yet another reason why we must hold onto our legacy systems, keep them in good order. This is why it'll be so important to NOT just throw away 10-year-old laptops, desktops, etc. So many are already lost, destroyed. Prices will rise just as quickly on today's "throwaway" PCs from that era because they still contain BIOS, run baremetal, have replaceable components, not locked down, etc.

Who said memory and watts now cost double? It's more like 4x the increase. Where I am power (watts) costs almost $1 per kwhr now, and memory is $1000+ for 64 gb. SSDs have more than quadrupled over 2024 prices. Even old spinning rust drives are 3-4x their old cost. I mean, a 10-year-old used 4tb 3.5" hard drive with 20k hours of use for $99? C'mon!

Welcome, welcome to the cloud. You have been chosen - or been chosen - to relocate here...

Just my opinion, but the 30 million people subscribed to Geforce Now are proving to Nvidia that there is a viable backup plan to keep Nvidia-powered datacenters relevant if\when the AI bubble bursts.

Don't get me wrong... I don't think there's any way that cloud gaming\computing can replace the absolutely ludicrous amounts of money moving around in the AI industry right now. BUT, if nvidia takes advantage of all of the money they are drowning in now to release home computing\gaming devices that seem like a "no brainer" purchase and they sell millions of them, they can always focus on providing everyone with a cloud-powered subscription service to do anything (from office work to AAA gaming) if the AI-related buzzwords stop making them money.

Here is one way I see this playing out:

They come up with devices that compete with Apple's recent M-powered devices in performance and efficiency, but they have the ability to run at least as much Windows software as a Snapdragon based system, with some surprising offline gaming performance and compatibility due to having nvidia graphics. And, then they price them ridiculously cheaply... like $200-$400 depending on configuration. They will be entirely proprietary and non-upgradeable though (except maybe storage... maybe).

And, oh, would you look at that... you can't really buy any decent (new) Windows computers for under $500 anymore because all of the RAM and storage is going into Nvidia powered datacenters, and even the mid range $600-$900 PCs can barely even run the latest games because requirements are so high.

But look, how convenient... you buy one of Nvidia's little boxes\notebooks and you get either a discount on or a long trial period for a Geforce Now subscription. So, you can get a $200-$300 system that has specs that make it totally viable as an offline PC for media or gaming or whatever else, and you can click a button to use Geforce Now to make it "feel" like a $2000 gaming PC when you want it.

As usual, after they have great success in selling scads of these, they slowly phase out the higher spec models which forces people to rely on Geforce Now for more and more games, while they continue to jack up the subscription price, especially for the higher performance tiers. Eventually, you're buying a $129 Nvidia-based Windows system with base level graphics, 4GB RAM, 64GB storage and paying $19.99 a month to get GTX 1650 level graphics performance streamed to you.

Meanwhile, the RTX 5000 series is the last full line of GPUs they actually release to the public other than a couple of ultra-halo-tier Titan products or something just to keep their name popping up periodically with the millionaire tech tubers.

... there, that's my bleak prediction. Half joking... but, half not... sadly.

Of course, this is all just happening in the background while they continue to try to make as much money as possible shifting AI-related "investments" around and getting involved with the military and surveillance industries*. Focusing on consumer products and services at this point would be an absolute last resort fall-back plan, but it is one where they control the entire pipeline: they work with developers of software\engines that need their hardware, they sell consumer devices that make a subscription enticing, and they supply the datacenters needed to power the subscription services.

It's nothing compared to "AI-money" but it's better than going back to... eughh... selling consumer\pro video cards at competitive prices. shudder

(* Which will totally, absolutely, definitely, probably, maybe not impact how they choose to use tens of millions of always-connected computing devices for that are in homes and businesses around the world.)

The centralise, decentralise, centralise, decentralise shenanigans is the IT circle of life since the 70s, basically a hardware pump and dump scam that's been played on end users half a dozen times already and is probably good for many more yet as long as the FUD and FOMO works.

Hi there! I know that Windows 11 has a bad reputation (hi DOS 4, Me, Vista!) but from what I can tell it's not that bad, actually.
At least when it comes to the ARM builds of 23h2 and 24h2.

I'm running the latter now in Parallels on a Mac Mini and it's "okay" after getting rid of the AI features and changing some settings.
I can run most games and utilities (IrfanView, WinAmp, Works 9 etc), including the Windows 98sE/XP and Windows 3.1 games.
The latter via WineVDM/OTVDM. WinG SDK runs, too!
I can now run 32-Bit (x86, ARM?), 64-Bit (x64, ARM64) and 16-Bit EXE files on same Windows! 😁

I don't mean to advertise Windows or Apple here, I just mean to say that it's not that depressing.
In some ways, it's the 90s again when RISC ports of OS/2 and Windows NT were made.
That being said, I don't upgrade to the latest Windows 11 in near future (have disabled auto upgrade for both MacOS and Win11).

PS: The idea of "shared memory" isn't that bad, necessarily.
If the system RAM is based on very fast graphics cards RAM, it might remove a PC bottleneck, even.

I just hope that these ARM mini PCs will have PCIe in some form or another.
Maybe Thunderbolt, also. Or a slot for a card.. What happened to ExpressCard, actually?
I remember it existed after PCMCIA/PC Card/Cardbus..

PS: I'm not that much of a gamer, though, of course. Not in the common sense.
More like in the direction of chess, adventures, RPGs and platform games.
Nowadays I also like playing indie games that are mostly 2D..
So I can't say how well common FPS and action games might run.
The Unigine Heaven benchmark and other benchmarks run just fine, though.
I even managed to install latest DirectX 9 updates and OpenAL.

Edit: I'm running Windows 11 as a runtime, basically. Not as the main OS.
Maybe it will be possible to install Linux or another OS on these ARM mini computers eventually. I hope so.
If these mini PCs will get some marketshare and will settle for a common firmware standard, it will be a positive thing, I think.
That would allow porting other OSses more easily in the future.

Edit: Speaking of the "end of PCs we know"..
I had thought about same thing when Intel UEFI officially had dropped support for CSM (BIOS compatibility layer) years ago.
Back then, to me, along with Secure Boot, this marked the end of open PC architecture and end of x86/x64.
Because, without BIOS there's no need for VGA+VBE BIOSes on graphics cards and no need to keep supporting 16-Bit Real-Mode instructions anymore.

Luckily, it didn't went that far yet and workarounds such as CSMWrapper (uses SeaBIOS and a VGA BIOS) had emerged and x64 architecture still has 8086 compatibility in silicon.
Because it's apparently still being used by VM hypervisors, to boot older OSes.
(Before Intel VT/AMD-V was common they had software emulation for RM code, too).
So the situation is not as worse as it could be. But still, I wonder if x86/x64 still keeps evolving like it used to.
That process was among the most fascinating side of the architecture, I think.
(I think it's still a bit sad that AMD deprecated 3DNow! years ago, though.
It was as interesting as MMX was and late 90s software could use it before SSE.)

I'm much less concerned about the shape and size of the modules computers are made from, than I am about the loss of modularity of design.

Universally intercompatible modularity is a staple for consumer-friendly and user-friendly computing experiences, and the reduction of e-waste.

The only people that really benefit from forcing people to completely throw away old computers every 3 to 5 years, are big corporations. I DO NOT AGREE THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE, and what "They" want, is irrelevant.

If the new modular format looks like little lego bricks, I dont care, as long as the lego bricks from maker A and the lego bricks from maker B, both fit on the socket, and work fine.

I hope as well that modularity will not go away.
On other hand, it seems as if professionalism in industry nolonger is what it used to be. 😟
We're currently living through the times of mobile devices and few people still do operate real PCs, some can hardly read anymore. Compared to previous times, I mean.

People in the office, developers, artists, musicians etc do still use PCs daily, of course.
But younger people and ordinary citizens may use a mobile device, rather.
Something proprietary, closed (glued!)..
The new models don't even have removable SD cards, removable rechargeable batteries or SIM cards anymore.

In that environment it comes to no surprise if new mainstream PCs perhaps nolonger can be opened and have no removable parts, anymore.
Because new users might not even realize what they miss.
The classic PCs may not disappear, but might mainly be found in other places instead (servers, CAD, automation, research etc).

Btw, I remember when "barebone PCs" (shuttle etc) were a thing in late 2000s.
They were getting more common in the Windows 7 era, I think. Still had drive bays and slots, though.
One model can be seen in that Japanese Windows 7 commercial here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBq-FFM5VhM
There also were nettops, based on netbook technology. I had one, it was very limited in expandibility.
It had space for one 2,5" SATA SSD and a 32-Bit UEFI that had to use CSM all time (no 32-Bit UEFI support in Win 7).

If things will go really horrible, we'll end up with overpriced thin clients. Everything bigger will be considered as a "workstation", with exorbitant price tag similar to Mac Pro. MSI, Gigabyte and other smaller individual parts manufacturers will probably leave this market completely and focus on laptops. Boutique RAM manufacturers will go completely extinct.

Essentially, we're going back to the era before IBM PC compatibles shook the market.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-06-02, 02:15:

Eventually, you're buying a $129 Nvidia-based Windows system with base level graphics, 4GB RAM, 64GB storage and paying $19.99 a month to get GTX 1650 level graphics performance streamed to you.

you have seen the future

people generally, the masses, will just go along with it because short term cost is lower than an upfront purchase of a device. Everything is going this way in so many areas of life, some more 'progressed' along this direction than others. streaming music and video media, car "extra features", saas, printers, books and more.

in very broad terms theres a spend pattern that can be applied to PCs and lots of devices too:

the past - money earned saved and spent only when saved, and the thing is yours
more recent decades - money spent (credit) and repaid, but the thing is yours*
the future - money spent as its earned, the thing is not yours

*you never had to buy on credit, but that's what increasingly became normal since the 70's, 80's

Jo22 wrote on 2026-06-02, 02:58:

Hi there! I know that Windows 11 has a bad reputation (hi DOS 4, Me, Vista!) but from what I can tell it's not that bad, actuall […]
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Hi there! I know that Windows 11 has a bad reputation (hi DOS 4, Me, Vista!) but from what I can tell it's not that bad, actually.
At least when it comes to the ARM builds of 23h2 and 24h2.

I'm running the latter now in Parallels on a Mac Mini and it's "okay" after getting rid of the AI features and changing some settings.
I can run most games and utilities (IrfanView, WinAmp, Works 9 etc), including the Windows 98sE/XP and Windows 3.1 games.
The latter via WineVDM/OTVDM. WinG SDK runs, too!
I can now run 32-Bit (x86, ARM?), 64-Bit (x64, ARM64) and 16-Bit EXE files on same Windows! 😁

I don't mean to advertise Windows or Apple here, I just mean to say that it's not that depressing.
In some ways, it's the 90s again when RISC ports of OS/2 and Windows NT were made.
That being said, I don't upgrade to the latest Windows 11 in near future (have disabled auto upgrade for both MacOS and Win11).

PS: The idea of "shared memory" isn't that bad, necessarily.
If the system RAM is based on very fast graphics cards RAM, it might remove a PC bottleneck, even.

I just hope that these ARM mini PCs will have PCIe in some form or another.
Maybe Thunderbolt, also. Or a slot for a card.. What happened to ExpressCard, actually?
I remember it existed after PCMCIA/PC Card/Cardbus..

PS: I'm not that much of a gamer, though, of course. Not in the common sense.
More like in the direction of chess, adventures, RPGs and platform games.
Nowadays I also like playing indie games that are mostly 2D..
So I can't say how well common FPS and action games might run.
The Unigine Heaven benchmark and other benchmarks run just fine, though.
I even managed to install latest DirectX 9 updates and OpenAL.

Edit: I'm running Windows 11 as a runtime, basically. Not as the main OS.
Maybe it will be possible to install Linux or another OS on these ARM mini computers eventually. I hope so.
If these mini PCs will get some marketshare and will settle for a common firmware standard, it will be a positive thing, I think.
That would allow porting other OSses more easily in the future.

Edit: Speaking of the "end of PCs we know"..
I had thought about same thing when Intel UEFI officially had dropped support for CSM (BIOS compatibility layer) years ago.
Back then, to me, along with Secure Boot, this marked the end of open PC architecture and end of x86/x64.
Because, without BIOS there's no need for VGA+VBE BIOSes on graphics cards and no need to keep supporting 16-Bit Real-Mode instructions anymore.

Luckily, it didn't went that far yet and workarounds such as CSMWrapper (uses SeaBIOS and a VGA BIOS) had emerged and x64 architecture still has 8086 compatibility in silicon.
Because it's apparently still being used by VM hypervisors, to boot older OSes.
(Before Intel VT/AMD-V was common they had software emulation for RM code, too).
So the situation is not as worse as it could be. But still, I wonder if x86/x64 still keeps evolving like it used to.
That process was among the most fascinating side of the architecture, I think.
(I think it's still a bit sad that AMD deprecated 3DNow! years ago, though.
It was as interesting as MMX was and late 90s software could use it before SSE.)

I think if your ARM hardware has proper UEFI implementation and is not locked in some way, you can probably get it to boot a generic UEFI image of Linux distros that offer such option. However, you may have a hard time getting every bit of hardware functionality working if they require drivers not in the mainline kernel tree.

I wonder how Win11 ARM performs in the context of ARM64EC. You mentioned WineVDM/OTVDM and AFAIK it only has x64 builds which means ARM64EC would be involved. I'm not sure how one could run 32-bit (x86) software there, as IIRC ARM64EC is only for unifying x64 (via emulation) and ARM64 (native) code.

I personally never used Win11 on my own systems. The only thing I looked forward to about Win11 is the WSA (Windows Subsystem for Android) which was unfortunately axed, taking away the only reason I might ever want to use Win11 for.

And well, nVidia has been in the ARM computing field for a long while with the Jetson family boards. I got myself a Jetson AGX Xavier (32GB) a long time ago. It only had Ubuntu reference images through Jetpack 5.x and it's no longer supported by newer Jetpack versions (6.0 and onwards).

nVidia did publish an experimental UEFI firmware for that board back then, and I did manage to install Fedora using it (need to install it on external NVMe SSD and cannot use the onboard 32GB storage for that). I only tested it briefly and eventually reverted, as many features including video acceleration did not work at that time.

On the other hand, with newer Jetpack 5.x the board now has an actual UEFI firmware, but I haven't really tried installing other Linux distros again. The board has been left unused and collecting dust until last year when DeepSeek R1 came out and I decided to give that a try. The board can handle the 1.5b model fairly well and can also run some larger ones (7b/32b) albeit significantly slower (taking some minutes to think and output answer). I'm still exploring ideas on what I could make use of those local LLM instances, though.

I will buy an Nvidia powered PC when, and ONLY when I have absolutely zero other option. I'm not a fan of their monopolistic anti competitive practices.
Not to mention outright false or misleading benchmarks and intimidation tactics.

I'm not saying that they are the only ones to do so, but they have nearly as checkered past with this as Intel, another company I avoid supporting if possible.