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Battle of the platforms: socket 754!

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Reply 820 of 830, by AlexZ

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Quake 4 benchmark

Previous benchmarks with Turion 64 at 2200Mhz:
Re: Battle of the platforms: socket 754!

Pentium III 900E,ECS P6BXT-A+,384MB,GeForce FX 5600, Voodoo 2,Yamaha SM718
Turion 64 MT-40@2.4Ghz,Gigabyte GA-K8NE,2GB,GeForce GTX 275,Audigy 2ZS
Phenom II X4 955,Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3,8GB,GeForce GTX 780
Vishera FX-8370,Asus 990FX,32GB,GeForce GTX 980 Ti

Reply 821 of 830, by AlexZ

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FEAR built-in benchmark. All details set to maximum except for soft shadows which nd22 disabled. FSAA 4x, Anisotropic 16x. Enabled HW audio mixing and EAX 2.0 since we have Audigy 2 ZS.

Previous benchmarks with Turion 64 at 2200Mhz:
Re: Battle of the platforms: socket 754!

We do not have screenshots as I do not know how to take them in FEAR.

  • 1024x768 - min 50, avg 123, max 319, 100% above 40 fps
  • 1280x1024 - min 48, avg 116, max 327, 100% above 40 fps
  • 1600x1200 - min 46, avg 107, max 281, 100% above 40 fps

If we enable soft shadows with FSAA 4x, we get:

  • 1600x1200 - min 39, avg 83, max 185, 96% above 40 fps

To enable SS, I used instructions from nd22 Re: Battle of the platforms: socket 754! . Simply enabling it in menu was not sufficient.

Last edited by AlexZ on 2026-05-03, 18:38. Edited 2 times in total.

Pentium III 900E,ECS P6BXT-A+,384MB,GeForce FX 5600, Voodoo 2,Yamaha SM718
Turion 64 MT-40@2.4Ghz,Gigabyte GA-K8NE,2GB,GeForce GTX 275,Audigy 2ZS
Phenom II X4 955,Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3,8GB,GeForce GTX 780
Vishera FX-8370,Asus 990FX,32GB,GeForce GTX 980 Ti

Reply 822 of 830, by AlexZ

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Crysis built-in 32bit benchmark. All details set to HIGH except for anti-aliasing quality which was set to 4x. First run is ignored (warmup), the remaining 3 are averaged.

  • 1600x1200 - min 9.8, avg 29.7, max 45.3

Pentium III 900E,ECS P6BXT-A+,384MB,GeForce FX 5600, Voodoo 2,Yamaha SM718
Turion 64 MT-40@2.4Ghz,Gigabyte GA-K8NE,2GB,GeForce GTX 275,Audigy 2ZS
Phenom II X4 955,Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3,8GB,GeForce GTX 780
Vishera FX-8370,Asus 990FX,32GB,GeForce GTX 980 Ti

Reply 823 of 830, by AlexZ

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Cinebench 2003 benchmark

Previous benchmarks with Turion 64 at 2200Mhz:
Re: Battle of the platforms: socket 754!

We got 8% boost over 2.2ghz in CPU benchmark

Pentium III 900E,ECS P6BXT-A+,384MB,GeForce FX 5600, Voodoo 2,Yamaha SM718
Turion 64 MT-40@2.4Ghz,Gigabyte GA-K8NE,2GB,GeForce GTX 275,Audigy 2ZS
Phenom II X4 955,Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3,8GB,GeForce GTX 780
Vishera FX-8370,Asus 990FX,32GB,GeForce GTX 980 Ti

Reply 824 of 830, by AlexZ

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Conclusion: at 2.4Ghz you get about 8-9% boost in CPU performance over 2.2Ghz. All tested Turion CPUs - ML-34, ML-37, MT-40 worked at 2.2Ghz and 2.4Ghz but stabilizing Command Rate 1T proved to be tricky. You can buy any of them, preferably ML-34 to gain the 9x CPU multiplier. You do not need to waste 200 EUR on Clawhammer 3700+.

2x Kingston HyperX 1GB memory sticks could only run CR2 at DDR400, but at decent timings 2-3-2-6.
1x Kingston HyperX 1GB + 1x OCZ Platinum 1GB could run CR1 at DDR400 at 2.4Ghz

I tried briefly also other sticks like Kingmax, Apacer but those were less stable than Kingston HyperX.

You will probably need 2xOCZ Platinum/Titanium or Corsair memory to run at CR1 or use just one stick.

Turion 64 unlocked DDR 500 support in BIOS of Gigabyte GA-K8NE, but I do not have such memory to test it. Most likely DDR-500 will be stable only with 1 memory stick.

Pentium III 900E,ECS P6BXT-A+,384MB,GeForce FX 5600, Voodoo 2,Yamaha SM718
Turion 64 MT-40@2.4Ghz,Gigabyte GA-K8NE,2GB,GeForce GTX 275,Audigy 2ZS
Phenom II X4 955,Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3,8GB,GeForce GTX 780
Vishera FX-8370,Asus 990FX,32GB,GeForce GTX 980 Ti

Reply 825 of 830, by nd22

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Nice results in FEAR. I am amazed that gtx 275 can not maintain a minimum of 40 FPS in FEAR with SS and AA despite being 3 generations ahead of the radeon I used!

Reply 826 of 830, by AlexZ

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s939 would probably do better, especially with a X2 CPU. We are already on the edge of s754 capabilities. Putting in a GTX 480/580 which I do have would be even more ridiculous. GTX 275 allows older nvidia drivers 1xx so they are a good fit for s754/s939.

I got hold of 2nd 1GB DDR400 stick of OCZP4001G and found out Turion 64 seems to have a big trouble with operating two of them. Memtest detects many errors at 18% (within about 5 minutes), regardless of command rate, timings (auto, manual), voltage. I inserted them multiple times. Individually, both OCZP4001G pass 15 minute memtest. It seems using a pair of these is only a good idea in s939 and can be very problematic in s754.

OCZ also produced a kit with part number OCZP4002GK, but those are just 2x OCZP4001G based on cpu-z.

Based on my observations I would recommend either 2x Kingston Hyperx DDR 400 (2x 1GB, with heatspreader) or mix 1x Kingston Hyperx DDR 400 with OCZ Platinum (OCZP4001G).

Pentium III 900E,ECS P6BXT-A+,384MB,GeForce FX 5600, Voodoo 2,Yamaha SM718
Turion 64 MT-40@2.4Ghz,Gigabyte GA-K8NE,2GB,GeForce GTX 275,Audigy 2ZS
Phenom II X4 955,Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3,8GB,GeForce GTX 780
Vishera FX-8370,Asus 990FX,32GB,GeForce GTX 980 Ti

Reply 827 of 830, by shevalier

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AlexZ wrote on 2026-05-18, 20:55:

s939 would probably do better, especially with a X2 CPU. We are already on the edge of s754 capabilities. Putting in a GTX 480/580 which I do have would be even more ridiculous.

When it comes to using AGP, yes, Socket 939 is a bit more interesting.
For PCI-E, dual-core processors and Windows XP, it’s easier to go for an AM3 Phenom II B-series.
There are fewer issues and the performance is better.

Aopen MX3S, PIII-S Tualatin 1133, Radeon 9800Pro@XT BIOS, Audigy 4 SB0610
JetWay K8T8AS, Athlon DH-E6 3000+, Radeon HD2600Pro AGP, Audigy 2 Value SB0400
Gigabyte Ga-k8n51gmf, Turion64 ML-30@2.2GHz , Radeon X800GTO PL16, Diamond monster sound MX300

Reply 828 of 830, by AlexZ

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When it comes to AGP, Socket A, s754 and s939 are all sufficient for Windows 98 / early Windows XP. It's more about personal platform preference, newer PSU, small performance boost.

With PCIe, AM2+, AM3 can do a really good job with Phenom II in Windows XP/Vista/7. s939/AM2 is Windows XP only and s754 more of a curiosity.

Pentium III 900E,ECS P6BXT-A+,384MB,GeForce FX 5600, Voodoo 2,Yamaha SM718
Turion 64 MT-40@2.4Ghz,Gigabyte GA-K8NE,2GB,GeForce GTX 275,Audigy 2ZS
Phenom II X4 955,Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3,8GB,GeForce GTX 780
Vishera FX-8370,Asus 990FX,32GB,GeForce GTX 980 Ti

Reply 829 of 830, by AlexZ

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List of games that work well with 2.2-2.4Ghz CPU, 2GB RAM and powerful PCIe GPU (GTX 260/275) in Windows XP, with maximum details in 1280x1024:

Racing Games

  • Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2 (2002) - still a classic NFS, great graphics for its time, better handling than NFS Hot Pursuit (1998) or High Stakes.
  • Need for Speed Underground 2 (2004) - you only realize how much is missing in Most Wanted if you play this. It has much more depth.
  • Need for Speed Most Wanted (2005) - well known for endless police chases and winning your car back. Later Carbon (2006) is too demanding for s754.
  • Colin McRae Rally 2005
  • TOCA Race Driver 3 (2006) - very realistic game, simulator

FPS

  • Far Cry (2004)
  • Quake 4 (2005) - all apps need to be turned off to save memory.
  • FEAR (2005) - works well including soft shadows.

Combat Flight Simulators

  • Falcon 4.0 Allied Force (2005) - most realistic flight sim you can run on s754
  • Lock on (2003) + Flaming Cliffs (2005) - 2nd best flight sim you can run on s754
  • Wings over Europe (2006) - easier to learn, but still great
  • IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 (2006) + v4.15m patch - all apps need to be turned off to save memory. Best ww2 sim.
  • Apache AH64: Air Assault (2003)

Strategy games

  • Rise of Nations (2003)
  • Age of Empires 3 (2005)
  • Europa Universalis 3 (2007)

Others

  • Silent Hunter 3 (2002) - probably the best sub sim if 3rd party mod is installed. Subsequent versions got too simplified.
  • Sims 2 (2004) including all add-ons - music cuts off while loading, but then works fine
  • Virtua Tennis 3 (2006)
  • FIFA 2007
  • NHL 2007

Basically racing and FPS games until 2005 and sports/strategy games until 2007. It covers most of Windows XP (2002-2006) period games. For 100% coverage of 2006 you would need s939 dual core. Single core s939 will not be sufficient unless OCed to high frequency.

Pentium III 900E,ECS P6BXT-A+,384MB,GeForce FX 5600, Voodoo 2,Yamaha SM718
Turion 64 MT-40@2.4Ghz,Gigabyte GA-K8NE,2GB,GeForce GTX 275,Audigy 2ZS
Phenom II X4 955,Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3,8GB,GeForce GTX 780
Vishera FX-8370,Asus 990FX,32GB,GeForce GTX 980 Ti

Reply 830 of 830, by nd22

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AlexZ wrote on 2026-05-03, 17:22:
We do not have screenshots as I do not know how to take them in FEAR. […]
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We do not have screenshots as I do not know how to take them in FEAR.

  • 1024x768 - min 50, avg 123, max 319, 100% above 40 fps
  • 1280x1024 - min 48, avg 116, max 327, 100% above 40 fps
  • 1600x1200 - min 46, avg 107, max 281, 100% above 40 fps

If we enable soft shadows with FSAA 4x, we get:

  • 1600x1200 - min 39, avg 83, max 185, 96% above 40 fps

To enable SS, I used instructions from nd22 Re: Battle of the platforms: socket 754! . Simply enabling it in menu was not sufficient.

There are many methods, here is what i do. I use Irfan view which is freeware.
1. open up Irfan;
2. press C;
3. select the capture area and the capture method
4. press control+F11 to capture as many screenshots as you like.