ElectroSoldier wrote on 2026-06-30, 09:12:

Why would you get two of them?

rmay635703 wrote on 2026-06-30, 15:21:

Yeah reverse modifying to a dual Xeon seems painful (unless there is a Chinese x99 that makes normal CPUs fit into dual mobo)

You overestimate my abilities and ambition. 😅

I got one for me to tinker with and one for a relative that is still basically happy with their Z97 system (currently equipped with an i7 4790 non-K). They play a variety of strategy\sim games and I'm curious how much of an effect the eDRAM cache will have on the ones that slow down a bit over time. Haven't had a chance to mess with either of them yet, but it's on the long list of projects.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-06-30, 16:28:

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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2026-06-30, 09:12:

Why would you get two of them?

rmay635703 wrote on 2026-06-30, 15:21:

Yeah reverse modifying to a dual Xeon seems painful (unless there is a Chinese x99 that makes normal CPUs fit into dual mobo)

You overestimate my abilities and ambition. 😅

I got one for me to tinker with and one for a relative that is still basically happy with their Z97 system (currently equipped with an i7 4790 non-K). They play a variety of strategy\sim games and I'm curious how much of an effect the eDRAM cache will have on the ones that slow down a bit over time. Haven't had a chance to mess with either of them yet, but it's on the long list of projects.

If the game/program can take advantage of the eDRAM cache itll be about an extra 10 - 15 percent, if its cache dumb then itll be no better or worse than the 4790, the 4790 has the clock advantage with cache dumb software.

My own experience with the 5775c is that its not a great overclocker due to the extra cache and its hit and miss with games and their ability to use the extra cache, I would personally look for a cheap 4790k overclock it to 4.5Ghz and use that instead.

The eDRAM cache needed a few more years of development from Intel, its not as good as it looks on paper.

Trashbytes wrote on 2026-06-30, 21:55:

If the game/program can take advantage of the eDRAM cache itll be about an extra 10 - 15 percent, if its cache dumb then itll be […]
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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-06-30, 16:28:

You overestimate my abilities and ambition. 😅 […]
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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2026-06-30, 09:12:

Why would you get two of them?

rmay635703 wrote on 2026-06-30, 15:21:

Yeah reverse modifying to a dual Xeon seems painful (unless there is a Chinese x99 that makes normal CPUs fit into dual mobo)

You overestimate my abilities and ambition. 😅

I got one for me to tinker with and one for a relative that is still basically happy with their Z97 system (currently equipped with an i7 4790 non-K). They play a variety of strategy\sim games and I'm curious how much of an effect the eDRAM cache will have on the ones that slow down a bit over time. Haven't had a chance to mess with either of them yet, but it's on the long list of projects.

If the game/program can take advantage of the eDRAM cache itll be about an extra 10 - 15 percent, if its cache dumb then itll be no better or worse than the 4790, the 4790 has the clock advantage with cache dumb software.

My own experience with the 5775c is that its not a great overclocker due to the extra cache and its hit and miss with games and their ability to use the extra cache, I would personally look for a cheap 4790k overclock it to 4.5Ghz and use that instead.

The eDRAM cache needed a few more years of development from Intel, its not as good as it looks on paper.

I got the chips specifically because of the eDRAM implementation and to see what impact it has in various scenarios. There is surprisingly little variety in the 5775C testing situations that people have recorded online. In some cases the performance difference can be massive (way more than 15%), but there is no way to know how it works in a specific situation without testing it. Memory speed can also be a factor, of course, since that can offset a lot of the gains that eDRAM would provide.

With regard to my relative (who does not live with me), I don't think an overclocked 4790K would make enough difference over the 4790 to be worth taking the time to mess with it, and to deal with the possible issues that could arise since the case and cooler may not be up to the task of keeping a 4790K happy at 4.5Ghz. It just isn't necessary for what he does with his machine. His GTX 1080 and 60Hz 1080P display aren't really used for anything too intensive outside of a handful of sims that are notorious for bringing all CPUs to their knees. A lot of those kinds of applications also benefit greatly from 3D V-cache, but no one has tested them on a 5775C. So, he and I are both curious as to whether a drop in CPU replacement could make a big difference for his specific needs.

What I told him was that I would like him to come over some time with his computer, I'll swap the chip and do a bunch of experimenting and benchmarking. If it makes an improvement in areas where he'd notice, then great! He can buy the chip off of me for what I paid (which was less than half of what they usually go for because I bought two!). If it doesn't make any difference, I'll take it back out and keep it for my own tinkering\collection. Either way, he gets his PC cleaned out and some fresh thermal paste at the very least. 🤣

I get to satisfy my curiosity and possibly extend the useful life of his computer.

I actually bought a pristine looking Z97 board recently that came in its box and was sold as "untested" but it was totally DOA with what seems like a bad\shorted PCH. So, my plans to tinker with one of these for myself have had to wait.

Anyway, enough about that...

Getting get back on the topic of RAM prices, I wonder how the law suit against the big memory manufacturers will go. My prediction is that it will take so long to be resolved (trial or not) that the consumer PC industry will be in shambles, or the bubble will have popped long ago and things will have already somewhat returned to normal (wishful thinking).

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-07-01, 03:02:

I got the chips specifically because of the eDRAM implementation and to see what impact it has in various scenarios. There is su […]
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Trashbytes wrote on 2026-06-30, 21:55:

If the game/program can take advantage of the eDRAM cache itll be about an extra 10 - 15 percent, if its cache dumb then itll be […]
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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-06-30, 16:28:

You overestimate my abilities and ambition. 😅

I got one for me to tinker with and one for a relative that is still basically happy with their Z97 system (currently equipped with an i7 4790 non-K). They play a variety of strategy\sim games and I'm curious how much of an effect the eDRAM cache will have on the ones that slow down a bit over time. Haven't had a chance to mess with either of them yet, but it's on the long list of projects.

If the game/program can take advantage of the eDRAM cache itll be about an extra 10 - 15 percent, if its cache dumb then itll be no better or worse than the 4790, the 4790 has the clock advantage with cache dumb software.

My own experience with the 5775c is that its not a great overclocker due to the extra cache and its hit and miss with games and their ability to use the extra cache, I would personally look for a cheap 4790k overclock it to 4.5Ghz and use that instead.

The eDRAM cache needed a few more years of development from Intel, its not as good as it looks on paper.

I got the chips specifically because of the eDRAM implementation and to see what impact it has in various scenarios. There is surprisingly little variety in the 5775C testing situations that people have recorded online. In some cases the performance difference can be massive (way more than 15%), but there is no way to know how it works in a specific situation without testing it. Memory speed can also be a factor, of course, since that can offset a lot of the gains that eDRAM would provide.

With regard to my relative (who does not live with me), I don't think an overclocked 4790K would make enough difference over the 4790 to be worth taking the time to mess with it, and to deal with the possible issues that could arise since the case and cooler may not be up to the task of keeping a 4790K happy at 4.5Ghz. It just isn't necessary for what he does with his machine. His GTX 1080 and 60Hz 1080P display aren't really used for anything too intensive outside of a handful of sims that are notorious for bringing all CPUs to their knees. A lot of those kinds of applications also benefit greatly from 3D V-cache, but no one has tested them on a 5775C. So, he and I are both curious as to whether a drop in CPU replacement could make a big difference for his specific needs.

What I told him was that I would like him to come over some time with his computer, I'll swap the chip and do a bunch of experimenting and benchmarking. If it makes an improvement in areas where he'd notice, then great! He can buy the chip off of me for what I paid (which was less than half of what they usually go for because I bought two!). If it doesn't make any difference, I'll take it back out and keep it for my own tinkering\collection. Either way, he gets his PC cleaned out and some fresh thermal paste at the very least. 🤣

I get to satisfy my curiosity and possibly extend the useful life of his computer.

I actually bought a pristine looking Z97 board recently that came in its box and was sold as "untested" but it was totally DOA with what seems like a bad\shorted PCH. So, my plans to tinker with one of these for myself have had to wait.

Anyway, enough about that...

Getting get back on the topic of RAM prices, I wonder how the law suit against the big memory manufacturers will go. My prediction is that it will take so long to be resolved (trial or not) that the consumer PC industry will be in shambles, or the bubble will have popped long ago and things will have already somewhat returned to normal (wishful thinking).

Well if historical precedent stands they will get slapped with another fine that amounts to nothing more than a hand slap and get told they were very naughty boys and shouldn't do it again.

Seriously these RAM cartel boys have bought all the judges and courts, they cannot actually be touched with anything significant or at least with anything that will stop them.

As for the DIY PC industry . .nVidia and Amazon want it dead (read Jensen and Jeff) ..and both have the money and power to make it happen .. naturally they both have the solution to sell us at a mere 25 USD a month or a sexy 5000 USD PC that is nVidia controlled and locked to the Microslop ARM ecosystem.

Yes the future of the DIY PC market is looking as bleak as ever.

I think cloud computers is the way it will go.

When you look at the business model for nvidia for instance.
The idea is the next model will be better and so people want to buy it. As a result the company makes a new one and a new one and a new one etc.
But its getting to the point where its no really feasible to do that any more with GPUs.
So you get a dumb terminal, link into the main gaming frame cloud computer and play your game on hardware that is more than enough to play it. Job done.
nvidia get to continue as a company rolling out incremental upgrades to that cloud to make sure its always there for you.

it cant continue as it has been.

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2026-07-01, 10:42:

I think cloud computers is the way it will go. […]
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I think cloud computers is the way it will go.

When you look at the business model for nvidia for instance.
The idea is the next model will be better and so people want to buy it. As a result the company makes a new one and a new one and a new one etc.
But its getting to the point where its no really feasible to do that any more with GPUs.
So you get a dumb terminal, link into the main gaming frame cloud computer and play your game on hardware that is more than enough to play it. Job done.
nvidia get to continue as a company rolling out incremental upgrades to that cloud to make sure its always there for you.

it cant continue as it has been.

And I personally don't ever see myself ever buying into the cloud computing subscription bullshit, I would rather sell everything and go touch grass out in the bush than sell my soul to the likes of Jensen or Bezos.

Though the way things are going we wont have a free internet for much longer or even be able to turn on our PC without needing digital ID to verify we are of age to even use it.

So yeah .....guess I need to find a new hobby they haven't destroyed with greed.

NeoG_ wrote on 2026-06-30, 03:39:

Seems like Samsung is now refunding customers in full for warranty instead of replacing faulty drives, I guess they made the calculation that giving a customer $300 in cash is cheaper than handing out an $800 cost price item (at current market value)

That's still effectively theft. Warranty is supposed to make customers whole and this gives them back less than half of the value of the product under warranty.

I'm so glad I live in region that has much stronger consumer protections.

Trashbytes wrote on 2026-07-01, 10:56:

And I personally don't ever see myself ever buying into the cloud computing subscription bullshit, I would rather sell everythin […]
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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2026-07-01, 10:42:

I think cloud computers is the way it will go. […]
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I think cloud computers is the way it will go.

When you look at the business model for nvidia for instance.
The idea is the next model will be better and so people want to buy it. As a result the company makes a new one and a new one and a new one etc.
But its getting to the point where its no really feasible to do that any more with GPUs.
So you get a dumb terminal, link into the main gaming frame cloud computer and play your game on hardware that is more than enough to play it. Job done.
nvidia get to continue as a company rolling out incremental upgrades to that cloud to make sure its always there for you.

it cant continue as it has been.

And I personally don't ever see myself ever buying into the cloud computing subscription bullshit, I would rather sell everything and go touch grass out in the bush than sell my soul to the likes of Jensen or Bezos.

Though the way things are going we wont have a free internet for much longer or even be able to turn on our PC without needing digital ID to verify we are of age to even use it.

So yeah .....guess I need to find a new hobby they haven't destroyed with greed.

Im the same as you, I enjoy the physical things to do with computers... I mean I still enjoy defragging a Win98 hard drive!
But yeah I think its going that way, and as much as I dont want it to we are outlayers in the world of users, most people dont know or even care what an Intel CPU (or AMD) is, they just want it to work without working on it to make it work.

You have to remember the majority of people now "hire" music from apps like Spotify or YTMusic and like it because its always there for them.
So while they enjoy playing music like that I enjoy threading up a reel to reel deck. BUT Im an outlayer in the world of music playback.

The direction I see isnt one I want to take, not at all.

ElectroSoldier wrote on Today, 10:59:

But yeah I think its going that way, and as much as I dont want it to we are outlayers in the world of users, most people dont k […]
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But yeah I think its going that way, and as much as I dont want it to we are outlayers in the world of users, most people dont know or even care what an Intel CPU (or AMD) is, they just want it to work without working on it to make it work.

You have to remember the majority of people now "hire" music from apps like Spotify or YTMusic and like it because its always there for them.
So while they enjoy playing music like that I enjoy threading up a reel to reel deck. BUT Im an outlayer in the world of music playback.

The direction I see isnt one I want to take, not at all.

this is the truth and for the idea of owning things to be finally lost doesn't require changing your mind, it just requires a generation or two to grow up being used to a structural environment in which things are not owned but effectively rented

its a weird thought but a perfectly rational 25 year old might look upon any of us as weird or out of touch for fiddling with optical discs for music and film, for preferring originals to remastered, ai enhanced, revoiced, censored 'modern' versions, carrying a box metal box to "compute", wanting to even play a game offline or play it all 10 years after release, for wanting to actually own a car that sits in the drive 23 hours out of 24 most days, for thinking being tracked is bad and lots more. None of it because the 25 years old is "bad" or "wrong", but simply because that's the world they saw more and more of growing up and took it to be normal

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2026-07-01, 10:42:

I think cloud computers is the way it will go. […]
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I think cloud computers is the way it will go.

When you look at the business model for nvidia for instance.
The idea is the next model will be better and so people want to buy it. As a result the company makes a new one and a new one and a new one etc.
But its getting to the point where its no really feasible to do that any more with GPUs.
So you get a dumb terminal, link into the main gaming frame cloud computer and play your game on hardware that is more than enough to play it. Job done.
nvidia get to continue as a company rolling out incremental upgrades to that cloud to make sure its always there for you.

it cant continue as it has been.

You will own nothing and be happy.

🤣, you fully bought in I guess.

No, it isn't the way to go. It ties to you to contracts which you have no recourse in, and you just keep wasting more and more money as the cloud computing company says "we think our service is worth far more than the customer is currently paying -- let's make that $119/mo instead of $79/mo at the start of the next quarter, and let's also take away some of these games the customer previously purchased since they have low engagement among the broader community.". It is the enshitification model. Whereas on an open market you can own the one-time price physical product used to render any game/software you want to play at any time. If you don't want to buy a new product, you can buy a used one or a clearance previous-gen. If the consumer thinks the price is far too high for a new product, they don't have to buy it, and low sales volumes will translate to lower prices.

The current situation is temporary and all hype driven from retarded influencers who make young people believe they need the latest and highest end product (either as a false assertion you need it to play properly, or as a status symbol), and also driven by an AI bubble which will be ending in 1.5-3 years. The majority of people I talk to online/discord/etc believe we'll never go back to reasonble pricing for products and you need to buy all you can now even if you don't have the money to do so. This is a manufactured campaign by sponsored individuals in the media sphere designed to drive sales. However, this isn't reality since markets go up and down, prices go up and down, supply and demand go up and down, companies are created and companies fail. Right now we're back at what I remember paying back in the 90's for computer hardware, so it isn't any different in terms of market pricing. It will shift back to lower pricing over time, especially as consumer's bank accounts are squeezed further due to their economic situation. New manufacturing technologies and increased production currently being built will relieve the market demands.

It is perfectly feasible to not have to immediately purchase/upgrade something when a new product is released, and also perfectly feasible to not subject yourself to horrible subscription models. The issue is the "I want it now" generation having no restraint. They require constant dopamine hits and one way they achieve that is overpaying for a new product (usually in debt already) and showing their friends online what they got. It won't last in the long run.

gerry wrote on Today, 11:38:

its a weird thought but a perfectly rational 25 year old might look upon any of us as weird or out of touch for fiddling with optical discs for music and film, for preferring originals to remastered, ai enhanced, revoiced, censored 'modern' versions,

You might be surprised, there are younger people who collect physical media including CDs. Any time I've gone thrifting, I'll see younger people browsing the CDs for sale at thrift shops.

There are also a surprising number of music/video stores where I live.

It's not that strange.

Vinyl record collecting, and vintage cassette collecting are also things.

Vintage CD collecting (especially as the novelty of 'unlimited, any time, offline playback' gets eroded in the increasingly inevitable trash future, and becomes a rare and magical experience by comparison) seems inevitable, and expected.

On the subject of enshittification , Sony recently announced that it will completely halt the production of physical games in 2028.

While I doubt the RAM price hike caused that directly, it may have been a contributing factor due to cost cutting. Needless to say, their customer base is furious, and rightfully so.

Tried looking, "just for a laugh", to see how much the set of 2x16gb ddr5-6000 Corsair RAM I fitted in October 2023 is now.

£89 from Amazon then.

Price today: £395.99

We bought a replacement HPC facility at work around 18 months ago. All 60+ server nodes with 1.5TB of ram each... I would guess that replacing that ram now would probably cost more than the price of the entire facility.

I checked SSD prices and noticed the price of Samsung EVO drives has gone up again in the past couple months.

My upgrade from 9 months ago would now cost more than double today: $5900 (CAD) today versus $2700 (CAD) in Sept 2025.