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First post, by JAKra85

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I still have some motherboards left from hoarding that I can't/won't integrate into my Retro PC Gallery.
Today I decided to test them and sell them.

One of these boards is a Soyo SY-4SAW, it has visible acid damage.
SIMM1 is somewhat damaged. SIMM2 had bent pins.
It's a heavily used board.

I've spent some time until I managed to have a POST.
It was complaining of VGA... (BIOS beeps)... that was actually cache related. He did not like the cache memory chips it had.
Removed it, worked. Added them back, would not POST. Added different cache chips, worked.

So far so good.

My Am5x86-P75-S had a weird 150MHz clock and I could not get it to 133MHz.
Check the documentation and... well it's a forest of pins and jumpers but it looked right.
Decided to remove all and do a clean new jumpering based on the documentation found on retroweb.

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Jumper setup done, POST: 133MHz!
Playing with CPU Bus or System Bus jumpers: 25,33,40,50MHz.
No voltage change, no other jumper change.
150MHz - POST.
160MHz - POST.
200MHz - POST! - The strangest thing is that it does this with the 40MHz bus setting.

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The problem I have and why I can't test further.
This MB uses an old BIOS version: 10/14/95-SiS-496-497/A/B-2A4IBS29C-00
Am5x86-P75-S was released later.
Even on the stock 133MHz speed the system hangs at the floppy boot stage. I get "Starting MS-DOS..." and that is it. With Win98 boot disk I get nothing, just hangs right after reading the boot sector of the floppy.
With a 486 DX2-66 it boots fine, no issues.

I have two Am5x86-P75-S CPUs: ADW and ADZ. At stock 133MHz they behave similarly and both hang at boot.
Funny part, the CPU that POSTs at 200MHz is the ADW one. 😀
A different BIOS is on it's way: 07/03/96-SiS-496-497/A/B-2A4IBS29C-00

I am very curious if I can still POST at 200MHz.
If yes hopefully I can boot a floppy and do some tests, benchmarks and maybe even a few games.

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Retro PC Gallery:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ara32t4rV … nU/edit?tab=t.0

Reply 1 of 5, by rmay635703

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The 5x86 was always intended to scale to 200mhz, if AMD would not have gotten the K6 they may have officially started binning for them as the k5 just couldn’t scale fast enough. (Back in ye olde times I was told 1 out of 70 5x86 dies would hit 200mhz at stock voltage)

Outside the US a limited number of 5x86-150 and 5x86-160 escaped into the wild, AMD didn’t want to detract from k5/k6 sales so they left everything capped at 133mhz

Reply 2 of 5, by brotherdg2@gmail.com

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I doubt the processor is running at 200 MHz if the bus is 40 MHz. If the board doesn't recognize the processor, it may display the frequency incorrectly. Another possible scenario is when the board doesn't recognize the processor, it may disable the L1 cache (for example, PC Chips M918), and with L1 disabled, many Am5x86 processors can boot at 200 MHz.

Reply 3 of 5, by myne

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Benchmarks, or its a bios bug

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Reply 4 of 5, by JAKra85

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brotherdg2@gmail.com wrote on Today, 10:02:

I doubt the processor is running at 200 MHz if the bus is 40 MHz. If the board doesn't recognize the processor, it may display the frequency incorrectly. Another possible scenario is when the board doesn't recognize the processor, it may disable the L1 cache (for example, PC Chips M918), and with L1 disabled, many Am5x86 processors can boot at 200 MHz.

Yeah, it is strange. There is something with the BIOS or multiplier.
It runs at 133MHz when set to 25MHz bus.
It could (maybe?) be a multiplier issue. When set to 25MHz it runs at 33MHz and when set to 40MHz it runs at 50MHz.

Right now I tend to believe it's a BIOS bug, since the BIOS date precedes the CPU release date.
I dunno, will get a different BIOS and will check again.

Retro PC Gallery:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ara32t4rV … nU/edit?tab=t.0

Reply 5 of 5, by JAKra85

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myne wrote on Today, 14:10:

Benchmarks, or its a bios bug

That is what I want to do by acquiring a different & newer BIOS.
With this one I can't boot the Am5x86-P75-S CPU even at stock settings.
AMD 486 DX2-66 boots fine.

Retro PC Gallery:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ara32t4rV … nU/edit?tab=t.0