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Reply 60 of 74, by nuno14272

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0 cache ?

I know its not an huge jump in performance.. but...

1| 386DX40
2| P200mmx, Voodoo 1
3| PIII-450, Voodoo 3 3000

Reply 61 of 74, by Irinikus

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nuno14272 wrote on 2026-06-23, 10:21:

0 cache ?

I know its not an huge jump in performance.. but...

When we upgraded to a Pentium machine I removed the cache from this machine and fitted it into the pentium.

I choose to save this machine, but the pentium (The larger version of this IBM desktop machine) was thrown in the trash and I only realised that I'd removed the cache from this machine a year or so ago when I decided to fire it up!

I think that the cache will make a reasonable difference to the system's performance. (I remember it being more snappy back in the day.)

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Reply 62 of 74, by Intel486dx33

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IBM computers are great because they are Easy to fix and upgrade.
They have allot of support in drivers, software, utilities, and documentation.

I really like the PS/2, Aptiva, and this desktop because they look so simple and clean
With the front door closed.

Reply 63 of 74, by Irinikus

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Intel486dx33 wrote on 2026-06-23, 22:19:
IBM computers are great because they are Easy to fix and upgrade. They have allot of support in drivers, software, utilities, an […]
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IBM computers are great because they are Easy to fix and upgrade.
They have allot of support in drivers, software, utilities, and documentation.

I really like the PS/2, Aptiva, and this desktop because they look so simple and clean
With the front door closed.

They were indeed very cool, well thought out systems!

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Reply 64 of 74, by Intel486dx33

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“Right to Repair”.
Unlike today’s Proprietary hardware and electronics.
Which are pretty much disposable e-waste
You were actually encouraged to upgrade and repair old
Manufacturers Computers.

Apple electronics = e-waste
Laptops = e-waste
Smartphones = e-waste
Smart TV = e-waste
Appliances = e-waste

The “Right to Repair” movement is Strong in USA.
Too much e-waste.

Reply 65 of 74, by Irinikus

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Intel486dx33 wrote on 2026-06-25, 17:32:
“Right to Repair”. Unlike today’s Proprietary hardware and electronics. Which are pretty much disposable e-waste You were actual […]
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“Right to Repair”.
Unlike today’s Proprietary hardware and electronics.
Which are pretty much disposable e-waste
You were actually encouraged to upgrade and repair old
Manufacturers Computers.

Apple electronics = e-waste
Laptops = e-waste
Smartphones = e-waste
Smart TV = e-waste
Appliances = e-waste

The “Right to Repair” movement is Strong in USA.
Too much e-waste.

I agree!

Things were just better in the old days! (I loved the 80's and the 90's)

I'd go back in a jiffy if I could!

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Reply 66 of 74, by Irinikus

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I just won this TV/Capture card for my 486 for EUR 27.49 on eBay:

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It comes with the driver disks as well as all of the required connectors and appears to have never been used. (If I can get it to work it will be an interesting addition to the 486!)

I'll run my ZX Spectrum through it in Windows 3.1!

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Reply 67 of 74, by Irinikus

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Which of these cards would best suit this system: (I'm only going to be running DOS and Windows 3.1)

Hercules Dynamite VL PRO: (2MB)

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DIAMOND STEALTH 64 VLB: (4MB)

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ARK Logic 1000VL (Paradise Bali 32)

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I'd love to get some input on this! 😀 (I'd love to see some more suggestions)

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Reply 69 of 74, by H3nrik V!

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Irinikus wrote on 2026-07-04, 15:01:
OH MY GOD, look at this!!!!!! […]
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OH MY GOD, look at this!!!!!!

The Matrox Ultima Plus 200 VLB

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It apparently it's the best card for Windows, but unfortunately has very poor DOS performance though.

https://www.dosdays.co.uk/topics/Manufacturer … ultima_plus.php

But if there's room for it, I can't imagine any cards with better looks!

If it's dual it's kind of cool ... 😎

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Reply 70 of 74, by Irinikus

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2026-07-04, 19:32:
Irinikus wrote on 2026-07-04, 15:01:
OH MY GOD, look at this!!!!!! […]
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OH MY GOD, look at this!!!!!!

The Matrox Ultima Plus 200 VLB

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It apparently it's the best card for Windows, but unfortunately has very poor DOS performance though.

https://www.dosdays.co.uk/topics/Manufacturer … ultima_plus.php

But if there's room for it, I can't imagine any cards with better looks!

I agree!

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Reply 71 of 74, by Irinikus

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These are the two VLB video cards that I have considered for this system:

Hercules Dynamite VL PRO: (2MB)

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DIAMOND STEALTH 64 VLB: (4MB)

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Here's how the DIAMOND STEALTH 64 VLB and the Hercules Dynamite VL PRO compare in DOS and Windows 3.1

https://dependency-injection.com/vlb-vga-group-test/

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So the DIAMOND STEALTH 64 VLB is definitely the better allrounder.

THEN THERE'S THIS MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!! (Definitely worth playing around with if I can get my hands on one!!!)

Matrox Ultima Plus 200 VLB

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It's apparently the absolute best Windows card, but has very poor DOS performance though.

https://www.dosdays.co.uk/topics/Manufacturer … ultima_plus.php

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Reply 72 of 74, by Irinikus

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It turns out that my 486's motherboard supports the following bus speeds: I've circled the location of the relevant jumpers.

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The nice thing about the VLB id that it runs at the base clock speed, so if I install a Pentium Overdrive and manage to get it to clock @ 100MHz, a base clock speed of 40MHz, then the VLB will run @ 40MHz instead of 33MHz, making it slightly faster than PCI, which ran @ 33MHz, Hence my Diamond Stealth 64 VLB (when I get one ) will run slightly faster than the PCI version!

It's apparently touch and go as to whether a Pentium Overdrive will Clock @ 100MHz, as opposed to it's standard 83MHz. (Hopefully I can get my hands on one that does!)

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The other way to go is to install one of these, which apparently overclock very well, but then you loose all of the Pentium features!

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It's based on the AMD 5X86 core. (Which is essentially just a fast 486.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQOmSKERPd0

For games like Doom, the 5x86 does well, but the Overdrive absolutely kills it in Quake! (Even with the overclock)

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The Pentium's superior FPU performance!

Interestingly the 5x86 does better with a 50MHz bus speed in Doom!

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https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.ibm.pc.h … o/c/rAWz8oEYs40

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The Diamond Stealth 64 should work with a 40MHz Bus Speed.

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Reply 73 of 74, by H3nrik V!

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I honestly believe, that PCI clock is 1:1 with FSB as well (or at least derived from it) ? I know that's been an issue at least on Pentium and Pentium 2 systems, where 83 MHz FSB called for specific hard drives, which could handle the fact that the controller ran at 41.5 MHz

If it's dual it's kind of cool ... 😎

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Reply 74 of 74, by Disruptor

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I'm running my Matrox G450 PCI or ET4000/W32i VLB with 40 MHz and do not have any problems.
Ok, on the Matrox G450 I have added passive cooling on the AGP-to-PCI-Bridge.