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First post, by Mondodimotori

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Hello there, I got myself a fairly recent AGP card, a 7600 GS by Gigabyte. Nothing fancy, just another AGP card for WinXP gaming.
Sold as "New - Open Box", I thought it would've been easy and a "it just works" matter.

But after testing it in two known working boards, an ASUS K8V-MX and an Abit NF7-S2G (Sempron 3000+ and Athlon XP 2600+), the card doesn't display anything. The screen just remains black. On the K8V-MX I even have the speaker connected, and no warning beeps can be heard. The video just stays black. (Both with VGA and DVI)
On the NF7-S2G (wich has WinME installed) it appears that, despite the black screen, the system loads into windows, as I can toggle CAPS LOCK on and off on the keyboard.

Question: Am I doing something wrong? Maybe some settings? It's not the MOLEX Power Connector, since I actually forgot to connect it at first boot, but immediately went "opsie", shut everything down, and connected it... Still black screen.
Or is it that the card it's to new for these boards (even if both of them should support AGP 8X no issue)?
Or, simply, the card is dead NOS, and I should just negotiate a return and refund (I paid, with shipping, 30€)? It even still has the plastic peel on top of the Gigabyte logo on the cooler.

Picture of the card and box attached under spoiler.

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Reply 1 of 8, by MagefromAntares

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Hi,

Having it not work in two separate motherboards that uses different chipsets is kind of a reason to be concerned. However I would still consider giving a chance for the Graphics Card in an Intel CPU system. From the picture I don't see any visual damage on the card, but the photo you have attached is too low resolution and not showing enough details to be sure.

The 7600 GS AGP was released in 2006 so after 20 years it is also possible that some of the caps gone bad even if the card is old-new stock.

"A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it." - Dune

Reply 2 of 8, by Mondodimotori

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MagefromAntares wrote on Yesterday, 20:30:

Hi,

Having it not work in two separate motherboards that uses different chipsets is kind of a reason to be concerned. However I would still consider giving a chance for the Graphics Card in an Intel CPU system. From the picture I don't see any visual damage on the card, but the photo you have attached is too low resolution and not showing enough details to be sure.

The 7600 GS AGP was released in 2006 so after 20 years it is also possible that some of the caps gone bad even if the card is old-new stock.

I actually have a "new" Intel AGP board (kinda pointless to test it in the VIA Pentium III system, TBH), an Asrock 775VM800, still with a VIA chipset and 775 socket. But it has a P4 Prescott in it with a stock Intel cooler (I Just got it), and here it's summer, and hot. In BIOS, from cold boot, it goes straight up to 50°.
I could see if it gives any video output in BIOS and, if not, just mark it as dead. Wich is kinda of a shame, it would've been a decent card for early XP gaming, much better and cheaper than Ti4200s (that have skyrocketed in prices on EBAY over the last couple of months).
The seller asnwered to my inquiry and told me it's old stock from his old PC Part store, but it's willing to refund it partially and let me keep it as a collector item (I proposed him that first if he wasn't interested in trying to sell it as "for parts", I don't mind keeping it since has the box and everything in it).

For the caps and the rest... The cards looks brand new. The box has some marks from "old" storage, but the card itself looks pristine. No bulging or leaking caps, AGP connector nice and gold reflective, it really feels like it's brand new.
This is also the first time a NOS card doesn't work straight away for me.

Reply 3 of 8, by Ydee

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I have to say that I’ve encountered similar behavior with GeForce 7600 GST and Quadro FX1500 cards (both PCIe). It didn’t happen immediately after installing them in the slot, but after restarting the PC several times. The monitor screen remained black and went into standby mode, while the OS was clearly running in the background, as indicated by the sound and the HDD LED lights. Other times, nothing happened; the HDD light wasn't on and the PC wasn't responding—only the fans were spinning.
After swapping out the card (sometimes other PCIe, sometimes even PCI), the image always reappeared, and after putting the original card back in, it worked without any problems for a while. I haven’t figured out the cause yet. Motherboard was K9VGM with VIA KM890 chipset.

Reply 4 of 8, by Mondodimotori

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Ydee wrote on Today, 11:22:

I have to say that I’ve encountered similar behavior with GeForce 7600 GST and Quadro FX1500 cards (both PCIe). It didn’t happen immediately after installing them in the slot, but after restarting the PC several times. The monitor screen remained black and went into standby mode, while the OS was clearly running in the background, as indicated by the sound and the HDD LED lights. Other times, nothing happened; the HDD light wasn't on and the PC wasn't responding—only the fans were spinning.
After swapping out the card (sometimes other PCIe, sometimes even PCI), the image always reappeared, and after putting the original card back in, it worked without any problems for a while. I haven’t figured out the cause yet. Motherboard was K9VGM with VIA KM890 chipset.

Yeah, it happened to me from time to time with AGP cards, but usually by the second time I put them back in the slot, I get video output. This time nothing.
Another interesting thing: The K8V-MX board has onboard video, so I tried using it just to check if the card appeard in hardware manager. But even from the IGP I wouldn't get any output with the 7600 GS installed. I would get video once I removed the card.
It almost feel like a power issue, but I've alredy tested two different PSUs that are known to be working.

But not to bad, alredy got a refund for 50% of the cost+shipping, while being able to keep the card. At least It's a full box with all accessories.

Reply 5 of 8, by Ydee

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Is the cooler on the graphics card warm or not?

Reply 6 of 8, by Mondodimotori

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Ydee wrote on Today, 12:54:

Is the cooler on the graphics card warm or not?

Passive cooler, it doens't warm up (no more than how hot the ambient temperature is alredy). That's why I think the card may be dead, unless it's a power delivery issue but I can't see how that could be the case.

Reply 7 of 8, by Repo Man11

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I picked up a used computer that had a 7300 GT AGP card. I briefly tested it, it booted in Windows with no issue, so I then cleaned and repasted the card and ran a few benchmark programs - it died.

A lot of times when you first start out on a project you think, This is never going to be finished. But then it is, and you think, Wow, it wasn't even worth it. - Jack Handey

Reply 8 of 8, by Mondodimotori

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Repo Man11 wrote on Today, 13:21:

I picked up a used computer that had a 7300 GT AGP card. I briefly tested it, it booted in Windows with no issue, so I then cleaned and repasted the card and ran a few benchmark programs - it died.

That's unfortunate... It probably was on its last breaths.
This one it appears to have never gamed once in its life. I'll test it again with a third PSU on a 775 P4 board, and let's see if it post. If not, it'll go in my "collection" of dead cards.
Is there even a market for these? Because they're starting to take up space, and I'm not interested in making a profits from them, just handing them to someone more "tech savy" that can, maybe, restore them. Or strip them for parts.