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Reply 40 of 42, by bitzu101

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MagefromAntares wrote on Today, 17:04:
Actually you are spot on with the size, the largest commercially produced CRT was 43 Inch viewable: https://crtdatabase.com/crts […]
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bitzu101 wrote on Today, 14:27:
i see your points , and they are good points. […]
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MagefromAntares wrote on Today, 10:04:

Hi,

While various flat panels (LCDs, OLEDs) replaced CRTs for everyday usage for me, I still find the capabilities of CRTs to be unmatched in many ways and not only in regards of lag, for example contrast is still better than most flat panels. And some old games art actually took the curvature of the screen into account and looks better on a non flat-screen CRT.

Also don't let DVI stand in the way of using a CRT, most early DVI cards came with the full 29-pin DVI connector, that can be converted to VGA with a passive adapter, in-fact the adapter is so simple that it can be DIY soldered if it cannot be found(https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/connectors/com … uter_video/dvi/). The DVI connectors that came without analogue parts are a lot harder to convert as it needs a Digital to Analogue conversion, for low resolution and refresh rates it can be still done with DIY methods though, for those Video Cards that doesn't have the analogue part and high resolution and refresh rates are preferred, a commercially built converter is needed unless you are really good with FPGAs and DACs, then it can be still custom built, so I think the useful life of CRTs will outlast that of currently produced flat panels, in fact a CRT tube itself is very hard to damage electronically in comparison of a TFT LCD, for monochromatic tubes that is even more apparent, without a shadow mask or aperture grille and with only a single electron gun even a close lightning strike can be survived by a monochromatic CRT.

i see your points , and they are good points.

think the main issues (90% of the issue) with CRT is the size. it is very hard to replace the speed of electrons beaming over on a screen... no monitor or tv can do that even now , but the size.... wow... huge monsters.

and I also think that there never were crt s bigger than 40 or 50 inches... don t think they work , dunno why , they implode or something... but it has a big limitation on the diagonal of the monitor/tv.

looking at my pc desk now... there is no way in hell that i would be able to fit a CRT monitor on it... just does not exist... need doble the depth of the table..

Actually you are spot on with the size, the largest commercially produced CRT was 43 Inch viewable: https://crtdatabase.com/crts/sony/sony-pvm-4300

Unfortunately only a single known example remains, kinda understandable though, it is not something that you can place on a desk, you have to place it on the floor or on a dedicated stand, so I can imagine people didn't standing in line to get one when the places they were installed got decommissioned.

For me I like CRTs to 17 and 19 inches in size, the 21 inches are on the threshold of what I consider truly useable, anything larger than 21 inch and it starts to get cumbersome to place and to store. So most CRTs in my collection are <=19 Inch.

The largest CRT TV ever commercially produced is the Sony PVM-4300 (also marketed as the KX-45ED1). Released in 1989, this 200 kg (440 lb) behemoth featured a 45-inch picture tube with a 43-inch visible diagonal screen. It cost an astonishing $40,000 upon release.

So at 43 inch diagonal u looking at 200KG... where a 43 inch LED tv is around 10kg... that is 20 times heavier.

Reply 41 of 42, by H3nrik V!

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MagefromAntares wrote on Today, 17:04:
Actually you are spot on with the size, the largest commercially produced CRT was 43 Inch viewable: https://crtdatabase.com/crts […]
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bitzu101 wrote on Today, 14:27:
i see your points , and they are good points. […]
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MagefromAntares wrote on Today, 10:04:

Hi,

While various flat panels (LCDs, OLEDs) replaced CRTs for everyday usage for me, I still find the capabilities of CRTs to be unmatched in many ways and not only in regards of lag, for example contrast is still better than most flat panels. And some old games art actually took the curvature of the screen into account and looks better on a non flat-screen CRT.

Also don't let DVI stand in the way of using a CRT, most early DVI cards came with the full 29-pin DVI connector, that can be converted to VGA with a passive adapter, in-fact the adapter is so simple that it can be DIY soldered if it cannot be found(https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/connectors/com … uter_video/dvi/). The DVI connectors that came without analogue parts are a lot harder to convert as it needs a Digital to Analogue conversion, for low resolution and refresh rates it can be still done with DIY methods though, for those Video Cards that doesn't have the analogue part and high resolution and refresh rates are preferred, a commercially built converter is needed unless you are really good with FPGAs and DACs, then it can be still custom built, so I think the useful life of CRTs will outlast that of currently produced flat panels, in fact a CRT tube itself is very hard to damage electronically in comparison of a TFT LCD, for monochromatic tubes that is even more apparent, without a shadow mask or aperture grille and with only a single electron gun even a close lightning strike can be survived by a monochromatic CRT.

i see your points , and they are good points.

think the main issues (90% of the issue) with CRT is the size. it is very hard to replace the speed of electrons beaming over on a screen... no monitor or tv can do that even now , but the size.... wow... huge monsters.

and I also think that there never were crt s bigger than 40 or 50 inches... don t think they work , dunno why , they implode or something... but it has a big limitation on the diagonal of the monitor/tv.

looking at my pc desk now... there is no way in hell that i would be able to fit a CRT monitor on it... just does not exist... need doble the depth of the table..

Actually you are spot on with the size, the largest commercially produced CRT was 43 Inch viewable: https://crtdatabase.com/crts/sony/sony-pvm-4300

Unfortunately only a single known example remains, kinda understandable though, it is not something that you can place on a desk, you have to place it on the floor or on a dedicated stand, so I can imagine people didn't standing in line to get one when the places they were installed got decommissioned.

For me I like CRTs to 17 and 19 inches in size, the 21 inches are on the threshold of what I consider truly useable, anything larger than 21 inch and it starts to get cumbersome to place and to store. So most CRTs in my collection are <=19 Inch.

What a monster!

If it's dual it's kind of cool ... 😎

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Reply 42 of 42, by H3nrik V!

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bitzu101 wrote on Today, 17:25:
dunno if it s exponential , but for sure it s not economical. […]
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H3nrik V! wrote on Today, 16:07:
My desk too, my desk too :lol: […]
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bitzu101 wrote on Today, 14:27:
i see your points , and they are good points. […]
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i see your points , and they are good points.

think the main issues (90% of the issue) with CRT is the size. it is very hard to replace the speed of electrons beaming over on a screen... no monitor or tv can do that even now , but the size.... wow... huge monsters.

and I also think that there never were crt s bigger than 40 or 50 inches... don t think they work , dunno why , they implode or something... but it has a big limitation on the diagonal of the monitor/tv.

looking at my pc desk now... there is no way in hell that i would be able to fit a CRT monitor on it... just does not exist... need doble the depth of the table..

My desk too, my desk too 🤣

But yeah, after reaching a certain size (guess I've never seen bigger than 32 inch widescreen CRTs) it became back protection TVs.

I guess your theory about implosions is right, it would require hugely thick glass to go bigger. I'm guessing that it's an exponential thing? 🤷‍♂️

dunno if it s exponential , but for sure it s not economical.

the glass would have to be so thick would not make sense to build monsters like that.

CRT perfect size for me it s 19 inch. 17 too small , 21 to big.

I used to work with a Trinitron 24 or 27 inch widescreen for PCB layout, back in like 2008 or something. Back then I didn't appreciate it over a 19" tft, so I did nothing to save it when it started to show its age by losing focus.

If it's dual it's kind of cool ... 😎

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