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First post, by SillyMe

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Hi: i am a complete know-nothing here so please forgive. I have some saved songs on about 10 floppies recorded as sysex dumps on an alesis data disk back in the early 90s. The songs were created on an ensoniq SQ2 which I no longer have. I have an imac now, a keyboard, and a Scarlett interface. I use GarageBand. I am curious about those old files and would like to convert them to midi files that I can open in GarageBand. I am told this borders on impossible but a man named Giebler has software for old PCs running DOS or early Windows to convert them to midi files that are readable by a Mac. Since I’m just puttering, I really I dont want to buy a vintage PC as I suspect that I will not be able to do this even if I do have an old PC —I am not at all savvy about these things.
Do you know of a way to rent old PCs or find someone with an old PC that might do this for me if I buy the software and pay for his/her time? I live in the pacific northwest.

Reply 1 of 8, by Babasha

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You can use emulator of old PC and old PC operating system to install software and convert your song. All you need is USB floppy drive to read your diskettes.

Need help? Begin with photo and model of your hardware 😉

Reply 2 of 8, by SillyMe

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Thanks Babasha
I was told by the writer of the software that converts old Ensoniq files -- the only software that will do this, the following:
"You would need access to an old IBM-PC compatible computer with an internal floppy disk drive for the conversion process. Additionally, that PC would have to be running either MS-DOS or a very old version of Windows such as Windows 98 SE. USB floppy disk drives do not allow reading non MS-DOS disk formats which is why you need the internal floppy disk drive."
So, I think the antique PC is still necessary.

Reply 3 of 8, by DaveDDS

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There might be someone who reads these forums who's close enough to help... but we really need to know where you are?
(I'm in Canada - but I've corresponded with Vogons from all over the world)

What do you have for a PC - in particular i'm wondering it it's old enough to have a floppy controller with an internal connector for it.
If that's the case, you might only need to find a floppy drive and cable.

This is not entirely unlike problems people have running my ImageDisk tool on "modern" PCs.
ImageDisk has to run under DOS with an internal floppy because it accesses it directly (not through the OS) and in somewhat non-standard ways.

So what I've done for those people is made a stand-alone PC-DOS boot diskette which has a RamDisk (for working storage), limited USB drive & network support (to get images on/off).

Someone without a DOS PC can boot this disk (they do have to have a floppy - which is pretty much guaranteed with ImageDisk as it's purpose is archiving and restoring floppy disks), run ImageDisk make images then put them on USB drives of transfer them to another system over the network.

I could probably set you up with something similar - as long as you can get a floppy drive on your system.

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ImageDisk: rd/wr ANY floppy PChw can ; Micro-C: compiler for DOS+ManySmallCPU ; DDLINK: simple/small filecopy(w/o netSW)via Lan/Lpt/Com

Reply 4 of 8, by SillyMe

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Thanks DaveDDS. i have a Mac from this century, that will not compute these floppies, no matter what’s attached. The ensoniq software man tells me that I need an “IBM compatible PC running DOS or early Windows with its own, onboard floppy drive,” and running his software which was originally written for a machine like this. So that is what I’m looking for. I don’t need it long—once it’s up and running with his software installed, I can convert the sysex dumps on the floppies to midi files which then I transport to my imac somehow. Again, I am not a techie —at all. I live in Seattle. I’ve checked rePC for the hardware to no avail. Ideally, I need a person relatively nearby with this kind of computer whose willing to let me load software on his computer that was written when Lawrence Welk was still on the air. Tall order I think. 😵‍💫

Reply 5 of 8, by DaveDDS

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SillyMe wrote on Yesterday, 17:41:

Thanks DaveDDS. i have a Mac from this century, that will not compute these floppies, no matter what’s attached. The ensoniq software man tells me that I need an “IBM compatible PC running DOS or early Windows with its own, onboard floppy drive,” and running his software which was originally written for a machine like this. So that is what I’m looking for. I don’t need it long—once it’s up and running with his software installed, I can convert the sysex dumps on the floppies to midi files which then I transport to my imac somehow. Again, I am not a techie —at all. I live in Seattle. I’ve checked rePC for the hardware to no avail. Ideally, I need a person relatively nearby with this kind of computer whose willing to let me load software on his computer that was written when Lawrence Welk was still on the air. Tall order I think. 😵‍💫

Rats - a MAC is completely different diskette standards and as far as I know ... can't be made to read standard IBM/MFM format diskettes.

I'm pretty sure I have everything you might need - and I'd help if I could ... but I'm nowhere near you. I'm in Ottawa, Ontario Canada!

Some slightly good news if you find someone nearby with a compatible platform (ie: older hardware)

Depending on how huge this ENSONIC software is, and how much has to be done to "install" it (hopefully it's like most DOS software and you "just run" it)
You might not need someone with DOS (or early windows) and you wouldn't have to "load" software onto their system.

You know it's going to have a floppy disk, so theoretically you could ignore their installed OS, boot DOS from a floppy with a large enough
RamDisk to give working space, and read the disks that way.

If you can tell me where to get the "ENSONIC" software, I can see if I can get it to work that way, and if so, send you a boot floppy image & some tools to write it to an actual disk - you would put those on a USB "stick" and when you find someone with compatible hardware, get them to write the image using their system, then boot the created floppy and "go nuts".

(must be someone in Seattle who follows Vogons - and just might have a "VOS" (Very Old System) they use to run their VOG`ons` (Very Old Games) 😀

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ImageDisk: rd/wr ANY floppy PChw can ; Micro-C: compiler for DOS+ManySmallCPU ; DDLINK: simple/small filecopy(w/o netSW)via Lan/Lpt/Com

Reply 6 of 8, by Matth79

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Wouldn't need to be a super vintage system, floppy interface can be found on Core 2, even some LGA1155. They would be screaming fast for DOS and that might cause issues with some software though

Reply 7 of 8, by DaveDDS

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Matth79 wrote on Yesterday, 22:11:

Wouldn't need to be a super vintage system, floppy interface can be found on Core 2, even some LGA1155. They would be screaming fast for DOS and that might cause issues with some software though

Agreed, I've got several "newer" systems with floppy drives (and some that only support 1 drive in hardware - B: select not brought out) - but you never know what other improvements might mess it up (speed certainly is a concern)

I'd go back as far as I reasonably could - but sounds like anything PC with a floppy is going to be "the one" in this case, at least for the first try.

https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ; "Daves Old Computers" ; SW dev addict best known:
ImageDisk: rd/wr ANY floppy PChw can ; Micro-C: compiler for DOS+ManySmallCPU ; DDLINK: simple/small filecopy(w/o netSW)via Lan/Lpt/Com

Reply 8 of 8, by SillyMe

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The maker of the Ensoniq conversion software is Gary Giebler -- his website is https://www.giebler.com/. I emailed him recently and hi responded quickly and kindly. His website is pretty much gobbledegook for me being an absolute dolt around this stuff, but for seasoned people in this realm there may be sense in it. I've seen some PCs that might fit the bill on EBay, but that's a big step for now for me, $$. I might be willing to bite that bullet though if I was reasonably confident that it would all work. Today I went back to count how many disks I have (8), and discovered that I bought software a pretty long while ago from Giebler (I'd forgotten) I have that disk available to send out to anyone who's willing to do a little first hand sleuthing on their old PC. I'm not sure if it's all the software needed here, but it might be a start. I really appreciate the time you've given on this.