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First post, by Im from Windows

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So I found a CD for sale that I like

Microsoft Proxy Server firewall and web cache CD

It states the following

Disk contains code to run on Windows NT- compatible x86, Pentium
Pentium PRO and Alpha systems

I mean what is this Windows NT? Wikipida states that it has been running since windows 3.1 and they still make a modern version to this day!

I mean I am not running windows NT. Will it work on other OS such as windows 3.1 till windows 11?

Thanks

PS would like to use this disk as a way of hiding my idenity online

Reply 1 of 25, by wierd_w

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Anything newer than windows ME is 'Built on NT technology', and is 'Basically windows NT', architecturally.

NT4 was the last OS officially called NT.

The proxy server should run (with compat shims) on modern windows.

Reply 2 of 25, by MagefromAntares

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Hi,

I will not question why would you want to hide your identity online as there are sometimes legitimate reasons to do it, so I will only consider the technical side of things.

I have to say that if you wish to use a Pentium PRO era Proxy to hide your identity even assuming it is an anonymising proxy (because of the naming I think it will be more likely a proxy to give firewall and web site caching support for a corporate network), it will not be very effective at that. From the informations that I found about it online (which is scarce) it was released in 1997, so almost 30 years ago, so even if it is an anonymising proxy, most likely anyone wishing to track you with that installed can do so as the technologies used by it is most likely in the well known category now.

Also as it is a Proxy Server you will have to install it on a machine, it means that it can proxy as much as it can, the packets will be eventually traced back to that machine, and if that machine belongs to you, then everyone will know where it was installed.

I don't know which jurisdiction you live in, but if it is legal where you live, then the current method to anonymize yourself online is to use a VPN, however find a VPN that you can trust as a bad VPN provider can be worse than simply not using a VPN at all.

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Reply 3 of 25, by Boohyaka

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Hell yeah I just cancelled my message after you posted yours in between @magefromantares...I'm sorry wierd_w but that's really not good advice. We're talking about a 90's proxy, and the original poster clearly showing that they don't really know what they are talking about (no offence, just the truth) with a stated goal of "hiding their identity online". The fact that it would "run" on modern Windows because it's NT based is so off base in this particular case.

Reply 4 of 25, by wierd_w

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It depends on what they want the proxy server *for*.

Generally speaking, 'for anonymity!' Is not really what one is for.

Likewise NAT is not intended as a firewall.

A proxy server's actual function is to provide a private communication channel on an isolated network, using a demilitarized zone, and a firewall.

Machines in the private subnet are completely unreachable, in both directions, from the internet.

The proxy server lives in the DMZ, which is reachable from both sides.

All devices in the private subnet forward web traffic to the proxy server.

This is the correct and intended use for a proxy server.

Reply 5 of 25, by Boohyaka

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All true but circling back to "it's pretty obvious from his message that the OP has no idea what he's talking about".

Reply 6 of 25, by wierd_w

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Maybe I am too generous...

Where and how *I* would use a vintage proxy server, and why:

I have a network full of vintage machines that I would like to have the capability to directly fetch things on the internet from, to avoid fussing with discs, nas shares, and other silliness.

On this same network, I am using other vintage services that dont have modern counterparts, like 'Services for Macintosh', providing appletalk routing, file, and printer access to some mac classics, living on a phonenet cable and an avante bridge.

Because of this, 'modern proxy server' is likely untenable.

For starters, the hosts in the private network probably cant do better than SOCKS4. The last windows OS with services for macintosh was win2000, so we likely have a ceiling to work with here.

The vintage proxy server can also serve as a great place to put an SSL intercepter service.

While not perfectly secure, one can pair this with a modern firewall on the 'modern' side of the network, and make up for a lot of the deficiencies of a vintage proxy.

There is a valid use case for this vintage proxy, in such a condition.

I defaulted to this mode of thinking. Maybe I should not have.

Reply 7 of 25, by MagefromAntares

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To be honest I also almost missed the last sentence of the opening post where it is stated that the goal is to hide identity. The keyword "Thanks" which is on the previous line often times cause even humans to stop processing the input stream 😁

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Reply 8 of 25, by wierd_w

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A local proxy will not provide this function.

Agree.

That's what a garbage vpn service, or a TOR tunnel, is for.

Reply 9 of 25, by Boohyaka

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All valid use cases and potentially fun projects 😁 it is true that my reading of the original message is probably tainted by other posts you've probably missed from the OP. Look at their history if you want.

I'm really all for the welcoming community aspect and helping each other out, including "beginners" - I'm still a damn noob in plenty of subjects and seek help myself, in here and other places. But if you look at recent posting history, we're reaaaaaaaally close to entering help vampire territory. I got really cooled down by messages such as "pass! too complex I don't get it but keep helping me". I admire some fellow board members for their patience. I am not one to entertain such behaviour.

Reply 10 of 25, by leileilol

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given the jeffrey epstein+gates av, ever thought "Is this bait?"

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Reply 11 of 25, by wierd_w

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*shrug*.

I honestly ignore such things. It's one of the reasons I've never set one.

Reply 12 of 25, by Boohyaka

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Didn't want to comment specifically on the distasteful profile picture myself but now that it is mentioned, yeah that's really in awful taste and I did wonder about the bait angle.

Reply 13 of 25, by wierd_w

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Ok, to honestly and undisparagingly answer the OP.

A proxy server's intended function is not to provide anonymity. Its function is to provide a single, conserved access portal for internet traffic, that can be more effectively monitored and controlled, for network security purposes.

Old versions of proxy software have known security problems, that make them undesirable to use. Despite this, there may be other reasons to want a conserved endpoint, such as management through a firewall, or the conserved use of an SSL interception service, as discussed above. Further, modern server offers will have depreciated old versions of the SOCKS protocol (which is the standard protocol for communication with a proxy), because of these security issues. Vintage computers havent had updates for 30 or more years, in some cases. (Like the afore mentioned mac classics). If they cant use the old protocol, they dont work at all.

'Anonymizing traffic' is a *side effect*. Not an intended function. From the outside, every computer using the proxy server 'looks like one single computer'. Namely, said proxy server.

For a local network, this is not useful at all for 'hiding your identity or location.'

'NT Compatible', is vintage verbiage from the windows world.

What it literally means, is 'Expects an NT style HAL, and an NT style memory heap' These things changed *very significantly* from the designs used by the win9x line of operating systems.

As I initially responded, anything newer than windows ME (which was the last microsoft OS with a 9x style HAL and memory heap design) meets this description.

'In theory', you could run the vintage proxy server on modern windows, but you are likely to have trouble.

Since you want to do this to protect your identity online, I would like to take the opportunity to tell you that this will not be useful for that purpose.

Reply 14 of 25, by keenmaster486

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If this is bait it is extremely subtle. There are actually people like this out there.

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Reply 15 of 25, by BloodyCactus

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well its specifically calling out NT4, that was the only alpha system for NT. windows subsystems changed fairly dramatically after nt4.
its not going to work on 3.1

I'd be surprised if it worked on xp or later. 2k maaaybe but I still have doubts.

this proxy system is a sideeffect of being a web cache, since all web connections go to it first. its more about reverse proxy from outside into your internal webserver.

I've messed with this in the past, you have to understand it has no modern ssl/https, its so woefully out of date. and its proxy is pretty crap playing with other applications.

I'm assuming this is a joke post but.....

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Reply 16 of 25, by davidrg

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wierd_w wrote on Yesterday, 19:31:

What it literally means, is 'Expects an NT style HAL, and an NT style memory heap' These things changed *very significantly* from the designs used by the win9x line of operating systems.

The differences between NT and 9x are much larger than just a HAL and memory heap. They're closer to the differences between Windows 9x and Linux - fundamentally different operating systems with completely different designs and capabilities. They just look superficially similar because Windows 95 just adopted a subset of Windows NTs API (allowing some but not all software to work on both), and Windows NT adopted a superset of Windows 95s Shell but that's about the extent of the relationship.

Reply 17 of 25, by DaveDDS

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Im from Windows wrote on Yesterday, 16:48:

... what is this Windows NT? ...

"WindowsNT" stands for "Windows New Technology" and is the first stand-alone (not on top of DOS) 32-bit protected mode edition of Windows, and the first to use NTFS (New Technology File System)

Essentially it was a complete redesign/rewrite of Winblows and it's internals differ a LOT (including the capability and means of performing system calls) from previous editions.

In the interest of "backward compatibility" WindowsNT (and subsequent 32-bit protected mode editions of Winblows) incorporates interfaces to emulate DOS and previous editions of Windows system calls ... and therefore could run said software (with varying levels of success 😀 )

"Windwos NT compatible" means a program was designed to run under NT and won't run at all under previous editions.

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Reply 18 of 25, by Im from Windows

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MagefromAntares wrote on Yesterday, 17:55:

Hi,

I will not question why would you want to hide your identity online as there are sometimes legitimate reasons to do it, so I will only consider the technical side of things.

Hay did you know that the UK goverment have secretly passed a law now that make it a legal requirment for google and co. to record all date on your phone via the OS

MagefromAntares wrote on Yesterday, 17:55:

Also as it is a Proxy Server you will have to install it on a machine, it means that it can proxy as much as it can, the packets will be eventually traced back to that machine, and if that machine belongs to you, then everyone will know where it was installed.

How would anyone know if the machine belongs to me though

MagefromAntares wrote on Yesterday, 17:55:

I don't know which jurisdiction you live in, but if it is legal where you live, then the current method to anonymize yourself online is to use a VPN, however find a VPN that you can trust as a bad VPN provider can be worse than simply not using a VPN at all.

I saw a Nortons VPN CD for sale on ebay, but the seller removed it after i asked several questions about it.

So you dont think a proxy server is any good then?
I mean it has gotton to the point now where my service provided VodaFone are now blocking davidicke.com for age restricted content. I cant even get into the toronion forums to ask about a toronion browser that will work on my machine because VodaFone have blocked it as age restrcited

Reply 19 of 25, by Im from Windows

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wierd_w wrote on Yesterday, 17:37:

Anything newer than windows ME is 'Built on NT technology', and is 'Basically windows NT', architecturally.

NT4 was the last OS officially called NT.

The proxy server should run (with compat shims) on modern windows.

what is a modern windows?