bitzu101 wrote on 2026-07-08, 10:10:

europe done nothing

If I'm not mistaken, AMD had a chip factory in Dresden, Germany for quite a while. Last year, GlobalFoundries announced a big investment there.

GlobalFoundries wrote:

DRESDEN, Germany, 28 October 2025 – GlobalFoundries (NASDAQ: GFS) (GF) today announced plans to invest €1.1 billion to expand its manufacturing capabilities at its Dresden, Germany site. The investment will enable a production capacity increase to more than one million wafers per year by the end of 2028, making it the largest site of its kind in Europe.

The expansion, known as project SPRINT, is expected to be supported by the German federal government and the State of Saxony under the framework of the European Chips Act, with EU approval for the full program expected later this year. This investment underscores Saxony’s role as a critical hub for semiconductor manufacturing and innovation and reinforces Europe’s strategic goal of supply chain resilience.

bitzu101 wrote on 2026-07-09, 15:01:

the costs would be way to high. the level of competence of the people is almost 0. […]
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MagefromAntares wrote on 2026-07-09, 14:55:

bitzu101 wrote on 2026-07-09, 14:40:

there is no distributed capacity already. capitalism works in the way that all companies went where it is cheapest. hence the is […]
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there is no distributed capacity already. capitalism works in the way that all companies went where it is cheapest. hence the issues today.

hungary , romania (my country) , pretty much any country in easter europe is incapable of producing any chips.

think in europe , the only countries that manufacture some chips are Germany, France, Austria, Italy, Ireland, and the Netherlands. and these are not big producers. but they can satisfy the needs of basic chips if need be , because they have supply chains already in place. it is not smart to start from scratch in hungary or any other country that does not have the supply chain.

also , because the EU , you don t need to really.

that being said , the 6 counties that do make microchips in Europe are not producing high end chips on the latest nodes , etc...

I would argue against Hungary not having the capability to produce chips, we don't have it right now, but we had it in the past(Mikroelektronikai Vállalat(MEV)), we lost it on 1986-May-26(It is also a good example why centralizing it even in a single country is a bad idea) and the MSZMP(The then ruling party) decided to not rebuild it, I'm almost 100% sure that Romania also had something similar, if a nation were capable of producing something in the past, then I think it should be able to produce it now, I don't think that the resource allocation around the world changed so much that it would be impossible to rebuild the supply chains and the facilities.

the costs would be way to high. the level of competence of the people is almost 0.

not saying it s impossible , but for sure it s improbable and if started would cost staggering amounts of money and for countries like hungary and romania , just not feasable.

probably the only logical thing to do is to invite a company that does chips already and give them huge benefits to set up production in your country. but even the, lots of money spent , requires supply chains , requires talent , requires people from abroad to be hired , requires local training , etc... it s so complex... we in the east struggle with idiotic/stupid people in power , huge corruption , we are so far away from such things... have u seen certain villages in romania? with no asphalt on the street and no rusnning water? and u want us to make chips? 🤣

Don't worry Hungary has a lot of the same problems, but in this same topic it was also argued that microchip production is not purely about business but strategic capability and also part of technological independence, prioritizing it would be more important than simply the profit it would make. Yes there are more pressing issues, but this should also get more resource allocation than 0 percent.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2026-07-09, 15:05:

bitzu101 wrote on 2026-07-08, 10:10:

europe done nothing

If I'm not mistaken, AMD had a chip factory in Dresden, Germany for quite a while. Last year, GlobalFoundries announced a big investment there.

GlobalFoundries wrote:

DRESDEN, Germany, 28 October 2025 – GlobalFoundries (NASDAQ: GFS) (GF) today announced plans to invest €1.1 billion to expand its manufacturing capabilities at its Dresden, Germany site. The investment will enable a production capacity increase to more than one million wafers per year by the end of 2028, making it the largest site of its kind in Europe.

The expansion, known as project SPRINT, is expected to be supported by the German federal government and the State of Saxony under the framework of the European Chips Act, with EU approval for the full program expected later this year. This investment underscores Saxony’s role as a critical hub for semiconductor manufacturing and innovation and reinforces Europe’s strategic goal of supply chain resilience.

need more and more and more. i want to buy my new cpu and instead of malasya or china to say EU or usa ...

eu produces some chips , but still need way more to compare to asia ... think israel also produces some intel chips...

MagefromAntares wrote on 2026-07-09, 15:05:

bitzu101 wrote on 2026-07-09, 15:01:

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MagefromAntares wrote on 2026-07-09, 14:55:

I would argue against Hungary not having the capability to produce chips, we don't have it right now, but we had it in the past(Mikroelektronikai Vállalat(MEV)), we lost it on 1986-May-26(It is also a good example why centralizing it even in a single country is a bad idea) and the MSZMP(The then ruling party) decided to not rebuild it, I'm almost 100% sure that Romania also had something similar, if a nation were capable of producing something in the past, then I think it should be able to produce it now, I don't think that the resource allocation around the world changed so much that it would be impossible to rebuild the supply chains and the facilities.

the costs would be way to high. the level of competence of the people is almost 0.

not saying it s impossible , but for sure it s improbable and if started would cost staggering amounts of money and for countries like hungary and romania , just not feasable.

probably the only logical thing to do is to invite a company that does chips already and give them huge benefits to set up production in your country. but even the, lots of money spent , requires supply chains , requires talent , requires people from abroad to be hired , requires local training , etc... it s so complex... we in the east struggle with idiotic/stupid people in power , huge corruption , we are so far away from such things... have u seen certain villages in romania? with no asphalt on the street and no rusnning water? and u want us to make chips? 🤣

Don't worry Hungary has a lot of the same problems, but in this same topic it was also argued that microchip production is not purely about business but strategic capability and also part of technological independence, prioritizing it would be more important than simply the profit it would make. Yes there are more pressing issues, but this should also get more resource allocation than 0 percent.

i agree it should get more than 0% resorce allocation. I also agree about the strategic capability and tech independence. but i am talking about reality. and the reality is that all eastern europe is poor compared to western europe , we are also way more corrupt. and no one in power even thinks about fab productions let alone about how they would even go about something like this...

i do like your enthusiams though 😀

bitzu101 wrote on 2026-07-09, 15:15:

MagefromAntares wrote on 2026-07-09, 15:05:

bitzu101 wrote on 2026-07-09, 15:01:

the costs would be way to high. the level of competence of the people is almost 0.

not saying it s impossible , but for sure it s improbable and if started would cost staggering amounts of money and for countries like hungary and romania , just not feasable.

probably the only logical thing to do is to invite a company that does chips already and give them huge benefits to set up production in your country. but even the, lots of money spent , requires supply chains , requires talent , requires people from abroad to be hired , requires local training , etc... it s so complex... we in the east struggle with idiotic/stupid people in power , huge corruption , we are so far away from such things... have u seen certain villages in romania? with no asphalt on the street and no rusnning water? and u want us to make chips? 🤣

Don't worry Hungary has a lot of the same problems, but in this same topic it was also argued that microchip production is not purely about business but strategic capability and also part of technological independence, prioritizing it would be more important than simply the profit it would make. Yes there are more pressing issues, but this should also get more resource allocation than 0 percent.

i agree it should get more than 0% resorce allocation. I also agree about the strategic capability and tech independence. but i am talking about reality. and the reality is that all eastern europe is poor compared to western europe , we are also way more corrupt. and no one in power even thinks about fab productions let alone about how they would even go about something like this...

i do like your enthusiams though 😀

While this isn't really on topic I want to leave this conversation thread on a positive note, so I say regarding this:
I was not yet alive to witness the events of 1956, but after the Soviets crushed the Hungarian uprising for a lot of people it seemed that stopping being a Soviet satellite state was impossible, however both my grandparents and parents said that the Soviets will eventually leave even if we were unsuccessful at that time, and yes it took 33 years, but the Soviets did leave after 1989 and I actually witnessed that part. Maybe a situation seems hopeless, maybe it seems like that it is the darkest before pitch black, but in my whole life I had the following way of thinking: "It will not be quick, it will not be easy, but eventually it will happen, might be not my generation, might not even be the next one, but it will happen, and I should work in the direction of being a positive influence on the matters even if the results are not immediate and I personally might never see them or only see them after I became a pensioner walking with a stick."

Sorry to derail this thread a bit, but I wanted to explain why I keep my enthusiasm 😀

Always good to have the enthusiasm.

Hungary doesnt have the money required to build a tier 1 or tier 2 fab. The situation on the ground would make investors nervous about dropping that much into it.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2026-07-09, 15:05:

If I'm not mistaken, AMD had a chip factory in Dresden, Germany for quite a while.

Please refrain from introducing facts to these discussions 😅

badmojo wrote on 2026-07-09, 22:18:

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2026-07-09, 15:05:

If I'm not mistaken, AMD had a chip factory in Dresden, Germany for quite a while.

Please refrain from introducing facts to these discussions 😅

when people say europe needs to produce chips is mean we need to be self sufficient or to produce a large procent of chips to matter worldwide. and those chips need to be ultra high end.

we also need to quadruple the chip manufacturing. maybe spend a few bucks into creating a new company , a EU company to rival TSMC or Samsung... put some money together to build the future.

I mean we have ASML in europe but no world wide company with fabs to produce...

Europe must:

Choose one host country (NL, DE, or BE).
Invest €300–500 billion over 20 years.
Centralise semiconductor strategy at the EU level.
Build a workforce pipeline of 50,000+ engineers.
Cluster suppliers around the fab.
Guarantee access to ASML’s High‑NA EUV.
Create a pure‑play foundry (no design).
Secure global customers.
Maintain political stability for decades.

If Europe does all of this, it can build a TSMC‑equivalent. If it doesnt, it never will.

Good luck getting French and Germans to work together on something like this. You'll end up with two rival programs with all the associated duplication of effort and expenditure.