keenmaster486 wrote on 2026-07-08, 18:07:

Don't shoot the messenger. All I'm saying is I have never heard anyone criticize a Japanese person's English by calling it "Engrish", even though I agree that the term is not exactly accurate when applied elsewhere. But terms often run away from their face value meanings, or were improperly applied in the first place,

Agreed with the above, the people that invented said phrase have only ever used it for written language, never for the spoken word.

Just as foreign cultures gain enjoyment from placing English words on objects like shirts, we in the English speaking regions also gain enjoyment from seeing said objects however cringeworthy.

And the Japanese specific connotation died 20 years ago. If you were to ask Gen Alpha, it’s usually in reference to properly spelled English words and slang but combined in random confusing ways. They are too young to remember when it actually was 80’s Japanese shirts, games and signs .

Originally it covered all Asian and eastern sources but now includes further abroad with Africa and India entering the mix of folks feeling the need to place English words on their stuff. Some Muslim materials meet the low bar of entry as well.

We are flattered the Africans are now placing English language words on objects and nothing serious happens when I mix up and heat some African sourced “Roast Cock Soup” mix for lunch.

people please - we are past that language discussion, let's not perpetuate it and try to stay on topic 😀

twiz11 wrote on Yesterday, 01:04:

but theres things ai can do that humans cant. I feel inadequate and need to use them to keep up. They can spout things ive never thought of. an indivual cant fight the machines. heh Fight the future and welcome to the machines

huh, what things?
All I've really seen LLMs spit out is just really generic stories or images, or poorly designed and unmaintainable code; the only thing I've seen them do that is actually noteworthy is somewhat passable on-device machine translation.

& Especially in niche subjects, they also often spit out incredibly incorrect or outdated information because those things aren't prevalent in the training data.
(For instance, to use a personal example, I do Spore modding sometimes and I've seen people trying to ask Gemini about Spore modding-related questions... In one case, it made up completely new and nonexistent classes in the game's C++ code, like "cOcean", when there is no in-depth ocean system that even warrants an ocean class, and the modapi's documentation also has no ocean class either.)

LLMs can't quite get old computers either so there's always a regurgitation about public opinion (like Voodoos being the fastest, which they are actually factually not) or misunderstanding how the Sound Blaster works that gives their "retro goodness" away. Sometimes even ancient Dreamcast fan exaggerations/claims of PowerVR2 causes a feedback loop of what PowerVR is, as i've seen the PCX2 referred to as a "high-end card" lately.

leileilol wrote on Yesterday, 21:13:

LLMs can't quite get old computers either so there's always a regurgitation about public opinion (like Voodoos being the fastest, which they are actually factually not) or misunderstanding how the Sound Blaster works that gives their "retro goodness" away. Sometimes even ancient Dreamcast fan exaggerations/claims of PowerVR2 causes a feedback loop of what PowerVR is, as i've seen the PCX2 referred to as a "high-end card" lately.

Well an LLM can only go on the information it's been fed in training, if the information is flawed then the output will be flawed too. It isn't just in an LLM this happens, I've been lead up blind alleys and fed wing information on here myself. You take an LLM as a starting point as with any research into something.
I've found even copilot can with the correct prompt shaping churn out some decent info

leileilol wrote on Yesterday, 21:13:

LLMs can't quite get old computers either so there's always a regurgitation about public opinion (like Voodoos being the fastest, which they are actually factually not) or misunderstanding how the Sound Blaster works that gives their "retro goodness" away. Sometimes even ancient Dreamcast fan exaggerations/claims of PowerVR2 causes a feedback loop of what PowerVR is, as i've seen the PCX2 referred to as a "high-end card" lately.

LLMs are completely unaware of many high end but sometimes moderately common devices from 1995-2005 (not even very old) because the amount of web data and personal sites from that era that was easily researched even 10 years ago is completely erased from the modern web now.

When I wanted a copy of a driver or information for Seiko and Shinko printers (that I own) I was used to doing a web search as opposed to locally storing data but can’t do that anymore, the amount of lost information especially the last few years on many inane topics is massive.

We are living through the start of the period of great erasure where physical evidence is unlikely to exist because magazines, disks and other hard physical objects that would at least describe a thing are rarely created and getting rarer.
With only digital descriptions the great sweeper of bankruptcy will continually erase history