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First post, by MrTechnician

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These are games and programs that I only ever seen working fully right in a single machine.

Prehistorik 2: the overworld's position flickers when scrolling. I first seen it in WinXP with pentium 3 computers, and I see it on my machine as well; there was a single msdos or freedos + particular TSR combination that made that part work right here, but I got it only once and cant remember it anymore. My guess is CPU load/timing? After all the clock is unlocked in this system, but I dont remember if I lowered it or not. The one part that is nearly guaranteed to have display problems is the blue menu for passwords and game difficulty; screen tearing, shaking, the letters drag with the background... That only worked right in some old computer I cant access anymore, not even dosbox seem to do this one right.

Kgen98: 16bit mode only worked in an old Compaq Deskpro Pentium 2 computer. Tried an older Pentium 1, a later Pentium 3, didnt work on either. No effect with nolfb, no effect with a tsr that reports vbe2 instead of vbe3. I wonder if has anything to do with an unsupported scanlines mode for some reason, but thats just an aside.

No$gba: it only worked in an old Compaq Deskpro Pentium 2, and not even at full speed. The pentium 3 system would display a broken black & white image at best, and on my current system... It outright SHUTS DOWN when trying to run any ROM. To be fair, the msdos version of this emulator always struck to me as unfinished even when working right; ingame menu is glitched, options menu displays at wrong text resolution, and so on.

I doubt theres any proper fix for these. Any other known difficult to run software or games?

Reply 1 of 12, by MrTechnician

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Two more to the list (I cant edit my post for some reason)

Crystal Caves: Would only display straight lines in two old pentium 1s (or earlier if I remember correctly). Works fine on my system somehow
Mario & Luigi (fangame): old systems had a black screen, but I know the game itself didnt crash because it still played sound effects. It works on my system for some reason.

Reply 2 of 12, by RandomStranger

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I never had issues with Prehistoryk 2. Played it on multiple systems and VMs. It's a problem specific to you, not the game.

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Reply 3 of 12, by MrTechnician

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Even the blue menus work right for you? Mind if ask your system specs?

Reply 4 of 12, by keenmaster486

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Tyrian 2000. Good luck.

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Reply 5 of 12, by RetroPCCupboard

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Midtown Madness has been very problematic for me. Most systems display random polygons everywhere

Reply 6 of 12, by dr_st

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MrTechnician wrote on Yesterday, 18:15:

Even the blue menus work right for you? Mind if ask your system specs?

Prehistorik 2 is a finicky game, for sure, but I don't recall game-breaking scrolling issues being common. It certainly runs well in DOSBox, there may be some tearing, especially in these blue menus, but that seems normal for a DOS game intended for 70Hz being forced to a 60Hz LCD in an emulator.

I also recall it working fairly well on my K6-II system in pure DOS, after I disabled a couple of TSRs which would cause it lock up almost immediately after starting level 1.

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Reply 7 of 12, by leileilol

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MrTechnician wrote on Yesterday, 17:21:

No$gba: it only worked in an old Compaq Deskpro Pentium 2, and not even at full speed. The pentium 3 system would display a broken black & white image at best, and on my current system... It outright SHUTS DOWN when trying to run any ROM. To be fair, the msdos version of this emulator always struck to me as unfinished even when working right; ingame menu is glitched, options menu displays at wrong text resolution, and so on.

Clean your computer, sounds like a heat problem. NO$GBA purely uses the CPU and it's intended for faster computers than a P2....

MrTechnician wrote on Yesterday, 17:35:

Crystal Caves: Would only display straight lines in two old pentium 1s (or earlier if I remember correctly). Works fine on my system somehow

Press V at the main menu. Press Y.

A lot of these sounds like NTVDM bugs or an unspecified video card (possibly Rage Pro or nVidia Vanta) just breaking VGA stuff. These aren't rare only-works-on-rare-computer games.

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Reply 8 of 12, by MrTechnician

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keenmaster486 wrote on Yesterday, 19:42:

Tyrian 2000. Good luck.

That works! By disabling cache and setting CPU speed to 60MHz with a tool. Really finnicky, I've found no way to run sbemu (both versions) or vsbhda on top of it yet. Graphically fine though, control works, there's probable slight input delay (IMO)...

dr_st wrote on Yesterday, 21:28:

Prehistorik 2 is a finicky game, for sure, but I don't recall game-breaking scrolling issues being common. It certainly runs well in DOSBox, there may be some tearing, especially in these blue menus, but that seems normal for a DOS game intended for 70Hz being forced to a 60Hz LCD in an emulator.

I also recall it working fairly well on my K6-II system in pure DOS, after I disabled a couple of TSRs which would cause it lock up almost immediately after starting level 1.

Is it possible that 70Hz weren't common enough and/or I've been unlucky and getting systems that can't display at that refresh rate?

Reply 9 of 12, by leileilol

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70hz is the standard rate of 320x200/640x400. If your monitor can't display that, there's going to be a lot of problems......

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Reply 10 of 12, by keenmaster486

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MrTechnician wrote on Yesterday, 22:07:
keenmaster486 wrote on Yesterday, 19:42:

Tyrian 2000. Good luck.

That works! By disabling cache and setting CPU speed to 60MHz with a tool. Really finnicky, I've found no way to run sbemu (both versions) or vsbhda on top of it yet. Graphically fine though, control works, there's probable slight input delay (IMO)...

I have also found its setup utility to be particularly bad.

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Reply 11 of 12, by MrTechnician

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leileilol wrote on Yesterday, 22:03:

Clean your computer, sounds like a heat problem. NO$GBA purely uses the CPU and it's intended for faster computers than a P2....

What if is a bug?... I know that the power system has a name, next time I'll try to find it and disable it from BIOS. To be honest I don't remember any other unexpected shutdowns from this system

leileilol wrote on Yesterday, 22:03:

Press V at the main menu. Press Y.

A lot of these sounds like NTVDM bugs or an unspecified video card (possibly Rage Pro or nVidia Vanta) just breaking VGA stuff. These aren't rare only-works-on-rare-computer games.

No, the computers it happened at didn't even have WinXP, or any WinNT for that matter. For example, I have vivid memories of trying to run it under windows 95 in window mode, because it would just never display anything in raw DOS

Reply 12 of 12, by wbahnassi

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Curse of Enchantia... very dependant on memory configuration.. Sometimes it wants EMM386, sometimes QEMM, sometimes nothing works.. It is very hard to run it even on period-correct machines. It just takes you to a black screen.

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